mission objectives

Mambaru · Post by **Mambaru** » 21 Feb 2007 11:21

Alver wrote:Good day all!

Is this idea was forgotten or somebody intrested in it realization? I want to add missions & objectives to OTTD.

I think that we can assume that this is a dead idea. Which is a real shame.

Alver · Post by **Alver** » 21 Feb 2007 16:50

i am very intrested in with feature. can admin give for somebody access to wiki page. Let's start work in this way

ddream · Post by **ddream** » 21 Feb 2007 22:12

Alver wrote:(..) I want to add missions & objectives to OTTD.

Grab the sourcecode and start programming. It would be really useful.

Alver · Post by **Alver** » 22 Feb 2007 08:18

Ok, i will start in 1,5 month. Now i am have a lot of business.
First of all need to make a good detailed description about everything i want to implement. I will write here.

For best understanding what I want implement - keep in mind how mission realized in Locomotion and RollerCoaster Tycoon. Propose to do campaign like in this game.

So, let's create a new game type - "Play campaign". Player can play a set of missons, in each he must complete some task. Win mission one by one he will open a new one. From "easy" to "impossible".

Development - campaign save in XML format. Campaign consist of missions set. Each mission - is a previously created scenario with AI, infrastructures and etc. For each mission i propose to set a next parameters:
1. Scenario.
2. A set of transport to use.
3. Date - begin and end.
4. Max loan in bank
5. May be a set of GRF files for mission only.
6. Conditions to win a mission

Of course in code must be included something to check when player complete tasks.

This is a start point. If somebody want to add somethings - welcome )

P.S. Sorry for my english, it terrible, i know.

Alver · Post by **Alver** » 22 Feb 2007 12:08

update topic

brupje · Post by **brupje** » 22 Feb 2007 12:38

some winning conditions might be a good idea

athanasios · Post by **athanasios** » 23 Feb 2007 00:02

For present go and play "Challenge Spinoff" if you haven't already done so.

Alver · Post by **Alver** » 24 Feb 2007 08:53

i look at "Challenge Spinoff" and found that this project not develop since 2005 year. It is intresting, but:
1. no any computer opponent
2. no mission objectives

It is look like origainal game with some improvements.

ddream · Post by **ddream** » 24 Feb 2007 14:44

I was thinking for some time about this subject and I think it should be done in some steps:
1. Starting conditions
a) Pre-build tracks, roads, etc. for players.
b) Players managment (for example p1 hum, p2-p4 hum or computer, p5 computer, p6-p8 closed)
c) Settings and patches in scenario, scenario creator should have possiblity to block some of them from changing
d) Scenario loding screen with description, map preview
2. Winning conditions
I was thinking about three solutions
a) corresponding wining conditions are checked whenever this action is performed (for example if player has to transport 100 000 goods to one city, the counter would increase every vehicle with goods arrived)
b) time checked conditions (it would be less resource concuming, for example have 1 000 000 $ at the end of the month)
c) time ending conditions (win game before 2050, xyz town reaches 5000 population before 1980)
3. Actions during game
a) changing vehicle properties
b) industry is closing/opening
c) town rating change
etc.
Every action should have condition, maybe similar to ending condition.

athanasios · Post by **athanasios** » 25 Feb 2007 00:03

Alver wrote:i look at "Challenge Spinoff" and found that this project not develop since 2005 year. It is intresting, but:
1. no any computer opponent
2. no mission objectives

It is look like origainal game with some improvements.

If I remember well, the mission is to reach a population of 50000 in cities you service. And it is not easy, due to city hostility (rates fall and you have to wait long to build). It wil keep you hooked for a long time...

So in 2. you are wrong!

Alver · Post by **Alver** » 25 Feb 2007 12:35

athanasios wrote:If I remember well, the mission is to reach a population of 50000 in cities you service.

may be I am wrong. I don't find any info about target in SpinOff

athanasios · Post by **athanasios** » 27 Feb 2007 07:28

Alver wrote:
athanasios wrote:If I remember well, the mission is to reach a population of 50000 in cities you service.
may be I am wrong. I don't find any info about target in SpinOff

So, to check it out go and play it!

Actually it is as I said. Check the thread for details. I am bored to capture, crop and post a screenshot or a saved game.

Alver · Post by **Alver** » 27 Feb 2007 10:59

athanasios wrote:Actually it is as I said. Check the thread for details. I am bored to capture, crop and post a screenshot or a saved game.

Already start plaing in this version. 50 thousand - till 2050 or no time limit?

In any case - this build is a good start point for me!

athanasios · Post by **athanasios** » 01 Mar 2007 03:00

Alver wrote:[50 thousand - till 2050 or no time limit?

I don't remember if it is 100 years limit, 2050, or no limit. well I finished it. Still you can set your own goals though as to how many cities you will claim...

NukeBuster · Post by **NukeBuster** » 01 Mar 2007 09:55

ddream wrote:I was thinking for some time about this subject and I think it should be done in some steps:
1. Starting conditions
a) Pre-build tracks, roads, etc. for players.
b) Players managment (for example p1 hum, p2-p4 hum or computer, p5 computer, p6-p8 closed)

This would be done then by the earlier suggested mission editor.

ddream · Post by **ddream** » 01 Mar 2007 20:53

NukeBuster wrote:
ddream wrote:...
This would be done then by the earlier suggested mission editor.

If something was suggested it doesn't imply that it will be done. I will risk statement that it will unlikely be done, if people interested in it won't start programming suggested feature.

BBoy Symm · Post by **BBoy Symm** » 01 Mar 2007 21:10

I really like this idea! The things I've read so far look very nice to me. Please don't make the same mistake Chris Sawyer made with RCT2: Allowing each mission to be played right from the start.

Also, whenever I read things like this, I feel like I want to help, to do something back for the community, but I don't know anything about coding (except basic HTML). Openttd is written in C isn't it? Is there a way I can learn it for free?

DaleStan · Post by **DaleStan** » 01 Mar 2007 21:47

Start programming in C?

But I strongly recommend buying a proper[0] book for your first couple languages. Accelerated C++ is one such book.

[0] That is, one whose title does not contain the words "in 24 hours", "in 7 days", "in 21 days", or any variation thereof.

Alver · Post by **Alver** » 02 Mar 2007 09:05

BBoy Symm wrote:Also, whenever I read things like this, I feel like I want to help, to do something back for the community, but I don't know anything about coding (except basic HTML). Openttd is written in C isn't it? Is there a way I can learn it for free?

I will start my work by this idea at April. I will post all information about my development progress in this forum.

Before this - you can get a current code from SVN and start to teach it. The best way to understand language - try to realize something your ideas.

BBoy Symm · Post by **BBoy Symm** » 02 Mar 2007 09:23

DaleStan wrote:Start programming in C?

But I strongly recommend buying a proper[0] book for your first couple languages. Accelerated C++ is one such book.

[0] That is, one whose title does not contain the words "in 24 hours", "in 7 days", "in 21 days", or any variation thereof.

Thank you, I'll have a look on the internet.

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