so... RE: unicode

PouncingAnt · Post by **PouncingAnt** » 17 Nov 2006 19:39

I've been noticing some changes to the fonts etc. in the nightly change log. Are the changes going in such a direction as to enable Japanese language? (I've resigned myself to the fact my programming skills are still not good enough for OTTD, but translating I can do)

Arnau · Post by **Arnau** » 17 Nov 2006 20:43

I'm not a developer but yes Unicode is needed for translating openttd to languages like Japanese or Chinese. Anyway I don't know if everything is ready to start translating but hopefully some developer will tell you.

Sacro · Post by **Sacro** » 17 Nov 2006 20:50

Well from what I've seen the UTF-8 branch has been merged, which should make way for non latin character sets such as the Japanese, Chinese, Russian, and quite a few more too!

However I don't think the webtranslater2 has been upgraded to UTF-8 yet... though i might be wrong.

Post by **Rubidium** » 17 Nov 2006 21:18

Sacro wrote:However I don't think the webtranslater2 has been upgraded to UTF-8 yet... though i might be wrong.

The webtranslator2 already supports UTF-8; this can be seen by the fact that Ukrainian is supported, which certainly does not use Latin characters.

Japanese should not be a problem, just request a webtranslator account and you can start translating.

PouncingAnt · Post by **PouncingAnt** » 17 Nov 2006 21:59

many thanks people! I shall get to it shortly. I have my exams early next month though, so we'll see

mkxx · Post by **mkxx** » 17 Nov 2006 23:21

I would like to ask the DEVs, how will be the text drawed in the future (my question is about Czech characters, like Č, Ř, Ů, which are not supported by current font).
If the text will be rendered via current graphics fonts, I would like to participate for drawing Czech characters (ane maybe some ohters) for OTTD.

BTW: small bug about Unicode (in nightly build) - try to save game with non-ASCII<128 characters to the non-Unicode-filesystem. Unicode name from the game gets not converted to the target filesystem charset (Windows, primary CP-1250), but I hope that it will be fixed in the future :)

PouncingAnt · Post by **PouncingAnt** » 17 Nov 2006 23:25

I dont believe graphic fonts came into it. Imagine drawing all the japanese characters by hand :S would be a mighty task, I'm sure!

EDIT: additionally I cant get the windows japanese input system to work with OTTD. But thats not the hugest problem in the world

Post by **peter1138** » 17 Nov 2006 23:52

Fonts come from either FreeType (with an appropriate font), or via NewGRF Action 12.

Filename/character set conversion for Windows is currently being looked into.

PouncingAnt · Post by **PouncingAnt** » 18 Nov 2006 00:16

alas, I wanted to play around with the language file format, but my strgen gave me errors for the latest english.txt, so I built strgen from the svn version, and still no luck.

englisht.txt(0): FATAL: cannot open file

Darkvater · Post by **Darkvater** » 18 Nov 2006 09:16

mkxx wrote:I would like to ask the DEVs, how will be the text drawed in the future (my question is about Czech characters, like È, Ø, Ù, which are not supported by current font).

As peter said, either through sprites or by using the appropiate font if you specify any

mkxx wrote:BTW: small bug about Unicode (in nightly build) - try to save game with non-ASCII<128 characters to the non-Unicode-filesystem. Unicode name from the game gets not converted to the target filesystem charset (Windows, primary CP-1250), but I hope that it will be fixed in the future

Yes, this is known, we already have this working locally but needs cleanup to go into SVN.

PouncingAnt wrote:EDIT: additionally I cant get the windows japanese input system to work with OTTD. But thats not the hugest problem in the world

The core framework for IME is in place, but needs more thinking on how to add it. Not sure this'll be in OpenTTD 0.5 but we'll see. For the time being you can however type in kana

PouncingAnt wrote:alas, I wanted to play around with the language file format, but my strgen gave me errors for the latest english.txt, so I built strgen from the svn version, and still no luck.

englisht.txt(0): FATAL: cannot open file

How did you start strgen? If you look into its help "--help" you can give it a source and a destination directory. If you 'encode' a language it must be in the same directory as english.txt and the source directory has to be right if the language files are not in the same directory as strgen.

PouncingAnt · Post by **PouncingAnt** » 18 Nov 2006 10:48

kana sucks

not really particularly useful for the japanese. But better than nothing. I'm glad to hear the IME support is being worked on though, it will be great, I'm sure.

Cheers for the advice, I'll look into it

Arnau · Post by **Arnau** » 18 Nov 2006 11:20

PouncingAnt wrote:alas, I wanted to play around with the language file format, but my strgen gave me errors for the latest english.txt, so I built strgen from the svn version, and still no luck.

englisht.txt(0): FATAL: cannot open file

If you want to start the translation (even at slow speed) you better ask for an account on Webtranslator2 (http://translator2.openttd.org). Just send him an email. Miham did a great job building webtranslator2 as it's the easiest way to work on the translations.

PouncingAnt · Post by **PouncingAnt** » 18 Nov 2006 11:27

I already did that. I just wanted to get to translating in the meantime

DarkFenX · Post by **DarkFenX** » 18 Nov 2006 13:45

Regarding unicode+freetype support in OTTD...
I've enabled "WITH_FREETYPE", placed corresponding freetype 2.2.1 headers into dev-environment include folder. What i'm supposed to do after it? Use somehow .lib file, or ft's sources in OTTD project?
W/o it i get some unresolved externals (and it's not surprising

)...
Or freetype support isn't complete?
tia

PouncingAnt · Post by **PouncingAnt** » 19 Nov 2006 11:29

Hmm, my email bounced. Any other way of contacting this person?

Arnau · Post by **Arnau** » 19 Nov 2006 15:22

PouncingAnt wrote:Hmm, my email bounced. Any other way of contacting this person?

You need an email in order to open a translator2 account...

PouncingAnt · Post by **PouncingAnt** » 19 Nov 2006 15:26

yes, I know... Thats why I sent an email. Hence the possibility that the email could bounce. There wouldnt have been an email to bounce otherwise, eh?

Arnau · Post by **Arnau** » 19 Nov 2006 15:55

PouncingAnt wrote:yes, I know... Thats why I sent an email. Hence the possibility that the email could bounce. There wouldnt have been an email to bounce otherwise, eh?

Sorry I misunderstood. My english isn't the best... Try again or wait and hope Miham will see this message in the forum.

glx · Post by **glx** » 19 Nov 2006 16:14

try to contact MiHaMiX on #openttd channel on irc.oftc.net

Darkvater · Post by **Darkvater** » 19 Nov 2006 17:30

DarkFenX wrote:Regarding unicode+freetype support in OTTD...
I've enabled "WITH_FREETYPE", placed corresponding freetype 2.2.1 headers into dev-environment include folder. What i'm supposed to do after it? Use somehow .lib file, or ft's sources in OTTD project?
W/o it i get some unresolved externals (and it's not surprising )...
Or freetype support isn't complete?
tia

Download useful.zip v1.2 from sourceforge, the .lib file is in there.

http://sourceforge.net/project/showfile ... _id=114307

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