new lighting for buildings

Aracirion · Post by **Aracirion** » 04 May 2006 19:46

I also tried some new variations.

Ben_Robbins_ · Post by **Ben_Robbins_** » 04 May 2006 20:02

My Opinion...

1 - New A - Way to Bright
2 - New A Mod - Good Objects but the shaddow is too light relative
3 - New B 0.8 - 1.25 - Bit Heavy on the shaddowing
4 - New B 0.6 - 1.5 - My Favourite, Good contrast, and shadoows are suited to the the rest, yet you should be able to still see things on that side clearly.

So if theres any voting going on, i say 'new B [0,6][1,5].png'

Ichi · Post by **Ichi** » 04 May 2006 20:04

I agree with Ben on this one!

Costas · Post by **Costas** » 04 May 2006 20:12

do we even know whether any of this will make any difference once textures are applied?

i like new B 6 1.5 too, that makes it 3 ppl so far!!

dmh_mac · Post by **dmh_mac** » 04 May 2006 20:35

Am I correct in assuming that you are using a pure white, ref=1.0 material for this?
It has to look good with darker material colours aswel.

Ben_Robbins_ · Post by **Ben_Robbins_** » 04 May 2006 20:44

Guess the next step is to provide that set with a veriaty of textures

Aracirion · Post by **Aracirion** » 04 May 2006 20:44

pure white ref=1, thats what I said. I attached the citibank building (rotated, thanx a lot Ichi) with new setup, plus the scene in case anybody wants to play around with it.

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Red.xiii · Post by **Red.xiii** » 04 May 2006 20:50

Aracirion wrote:pure white ref=1, thats what I said. I attached the citibank building (rotated, thanx a lot Ichi) with new setup, plus the scene in case anybody wants to play around with it.

Miles better!!!!

Interesting to see what it would look like on other objects like trees and such..

Ichi · Post by **Ichi** » 04 May 2006 20:51

it looks a lot better now!

Ben_Robbins_ · Post by **Ben_Robbins_** » 04 May 2006 20:55

Dont wanna be a pain in the ass, but could you render it off with a plain beneath it, so i can see the shaddow on the ground, cuase i think thats quite inportant

dmh_mac · Post by **dmh_mac** » 04 May 2006 20:57

Looks good, now we need one of the park (from the start of the thread).

Alltaken · Post by **Alltaken** » 04 May 2006 22:05

changing the AO effect is ugly without also changing the AO distance.

you will need to turn on distance, then try a few different settings and post them.

relying on that for lighting is very nasty, and i persoanlly never increase it above 1.

the original lighting setup needed a small amount of change, and perhaps a re-balancing of the light intensities angles and colours.

Alltaken

Aracirion · Post by **Aracirion** » 04 May 2006 22:53

there are the two images for Ben and dmh. Why is AO ugly? Cause its grainy? I'll have a look at distance tomorrow ....

Costas · Post by **Costas** » 04 May 2006 23:09

omg the new light setup burnt the trees down, mb u need to pull the sun a bit further away...

ok totally useless post hehe

hmm the two images of the building are different, where did the reflection come on the left? (right wall of building)

EDIT (after bens post underneath) it looks good !

Ben_Robbins_ · Post by **Ben_Robbins_** » 04 May 2006 23:12

Its the reflection of the floor i think

<edit> Yeah, It does look really good now. Just playing round in paint with it, appling the extended shaddow bit to the previous image without the floor reflection. The park looks a lot better as well.

Maybe to check this lighting fully you should make a tester set with multiple colours sphers in (google earth loading screen style)

On what i was saying a bit ago about having shaddows going onto other tiles, and posibly checkering the graphic to allow part of the nieghbouring image threw, i tried it on this shaddow...the problem it is now lighter...this is what i got anyway.

Cheers for the image Aracirion

Costas · Post by **Costas** » 04 May 2006 23:52

i dont think shadows should go to other tiles, it will mess up it up completely, since the game is not 3d but rather 2d images.And everyone would want their building to be the one far right away from all the shadows...!

Ben_Robbins_ · Post by **Ben_Robbins_** » 04 May 2006 23:55

If there is a building in front then it would be ontop of the shaddow...it would just sit on top of the ground sprite, like a road piece

Costas · Post by **Costas** » 05 May 2006 00:04

how can u implement this? it sounds difficult, since the shadow is part of the 2d picture. Unless the rendered renders each tile starting from the right of the screen going to the left superimposing each tile on top of the shadow of the right (relative to the viewer).

plus most buildings use the full tile with graphix like roads, trees, swimmingpools, pavements, just like aracirions building. where will the shadow go?

I still think it is bad, since u r going to have shadows everywhere, messing up roads, vehicles, the nice parks someone painstakingly designed and made the lightning perfect etc etc.

Ben_Robbins_ · Post by **Ben_Robbins_** » 05 May 2006 00:10

Im not completly shore...or at all shore in fact how the rendering works...so i dunno...

Ive got a fealing it may look strange when shaddows end suddely, it may confuse the illusion of depth, and make a buildings height look contradictory to its shaddow..

<edit> I made up and example using some peoples work. (hope they dont mind) On the Park 'A' top the shaddow goes over the ground sprite, while at the base of park A, and on Park B, the shaddow just stops.

I guess its sounds like a petty matter, but i feal the top of this image appears to blend into a set rather than look like an array of seperate sprites.

Costas · Post by **Costas** » 05 May 2006 01:28

i agree with u that it looks better but thats on 2 tiles. if u do all the tiles with overlaping shadow, then the park will dissapear in the dark

edit: unless the ground does not have shadow at all, shadows r just on buildings

going by ur design, the red building should be in the shadow too. i know it looks good on the top part of the park, but put more buildings around it and the park is gone. MB u change the light and make the shado stay within the tile, ie sun is at high noon or dont make shadows on the tiles at all.

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