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YES, you can put rice paddies on hillsides
YES, you can put rice paddies on hillside, you "terrace" the hillside, which I think more than anything else would make the new "East Asia" environment look totally different from the others.
I've created this image the help us changing the GFX of toyland, it's just a basic layout of the industries. Becouse i didn't even knew what industies where in Toyland (i never played it)
Now, if you take this picture and change it to the industies you like to see, you can easy see how it fits
[EDIT]Image deleted, saves space on forum[/EDIT]
Now, if you take this picture and change it to the industies you like to see, you can easy see how it fits
[EDIT]Image deleted, saves space on forum[/EDIT]
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Toyland vectors
Wow, I had no idea the Toyland product vectors were this complicated. I never played it much either, it gives me a headache.
I think in replacing the industries, we should emphasize 1) regional distinctives, and 2) visual appearance as different as possible from what we already have.
I am assuming we can control where the industries appear, since the existing industries work this way - Oil Refineries appear on the shore, Banks appear in cities, etc.
See what you think of this arrangement, it lines up with the existing vectors.
VECTOR SET #1 - Industrial
Customs Import Warehouse (should be near the shore, looks like a port as much as possible). Provides imported components like tires, car parts, etc. Using the "random freight car" feature we can make a wide and ever-changing variety of cars for this one.
Mini-Mill (like a steel mill, but explains why we don't bring it iron ore - it reprocesses scrap metal.) Generates steel. We could use the existing steel car, but it would be cooler to use a more modern sheet-steel car - those big semi-cylindrical green dome things.
Plastics Plant (something big, nasty, and polluting) - generates Plastic components or maybe pellets. Coule be hopper cars, some sort of boxcar, who knows.
The above go to:
Automobile Plant - pretty easy to imagine and have fun with. Of course this generates autos, which you haul to the city using the beautiful new car-carriers that will be out shortly.
VECTOR SET #2 - Agricultural
Rice paddies (work like farms, but look like paddies and have terraces on hills) - make Rice. Rice cars look like U.S. grain hoppers.
Soybean farms (also work like farms, dunno what they look like, maybe like the existing farms with Asian buildings?) - make Soybeans. Soybeans travel in cars that look like the existing Coal cars but they're full of beans
The above two items travel to:
Food Processing Plant - but we could make it look totally different than already exists. This generates food, obviously, but I think we can come up with a better car. The food goes to cities.
VECTOR SET #3 - Hi-tech
Beach (preferably near the water) generates Sand. This goes in hopper cars I suppose.
Rare Earths Mine - generate, well, Rare Earths. This looks basically like the Iron Ore Mine unless someone has a better idea. The rare earths can be in hoppers, gondolas, who knows.
These both go to the
Semiconductor Chip Fab - looks like a big shiny white factory, and (slowly) generates (high-value, extremely time-sensitive) Chips. The Chip cars could be some sort of special shock-mounted car, I've heard of these but never seen one. A boxcar would work also, or even the Valuables car.
The Chips go to the
Export Warehouse. These are found in cities (like Banks).
I'm not totally satisfied with this but I think it gives us some good ideas. Any thoughts?
I think in replacing the industries, we should emphasize 1) regional distinctives, and 2) visual appearance as different as possible from what we already have.
I am assuming we can control where the industries appear, since the existing industries work this way - Oil Refineries appear on the shore, Banks appear in cities, etc.
See what you think of this arrangement, it lines up with the existing vectors.
VECTOR SET #1 - Industrial
Customs Import Warehouse (should be near the shore, looks like a port as much as possible). Provides imported components like tires, car parts, etc. Using the "random freight car" feature we can make a wide and ever-changing variety of cars for this one.
Mini-Mill (like a steel mill, but explains why we don't bring it iron ore - it reprocesses scrap metal.) Generates steel. We could use the existing steel car, but it would be cooler to use a more modern sheet-steel car - those big semi-cylindrical green dome things.
Plastics Plant (something big, nasty, and polluting) - generates Plastic components or maybe pellets. Coule be hopper cars, some sort of boxcar, who knows.
The above go to:
Automobile Plant - pretty easy to imagine and have fun with. Of course this generates autos, which you haul to the city using the beautiful new car-carriers that will be out shortly.
VECTOR SET #2 - Agricultural
Rice paddies (work like farms, but look like paddies and have terraces on hills) - make Rice. Rice cars look like U.S. grain hoppers.
Soybean farms (also work like farms, dunno what they look like, maybe like the existing farms with Asian buildings?) - make Soybeans. Soybeans travel in cars that look like the existing Coal cars but they're full of beans
The above two items travel to:
Food Processing Plant - but we could make it look totally different than already exists. This generates food, obviously, but I think we can come up with a better car. The food goes to cities.
VECTOR SET #3 - Hi-tech
Beach (preferably near the water) generates Sand. This goes in hopper cars I suppose.
Rare Earths Mine - generate, well, Rare Earths. This looks basically like the Iron Ore Mine unless someone has a better idea. The rare earths can be in hoppers, gondolas, who knows.
These both go to the
Semiconductor Chip Fab - looks like a big shiny white factory, and (slowly) generates (high-value, extremely time-sensitive) Chips. The Chip cars could be some sort of special shock-mounted car, I've heard of these but never seen one. A boxcar would work also, or even the Valuables car.
The Chips go to the
Export Warehouse. These are found in cities (like Banks).
I'm not totally satisfied with this but I think it gives us some good ideas. Any thoughts?
Plan of action
I think Step #1 is to get a list of all the various graphic elements involved, and post them somewhere we can all look at them. I have server space so I can make a neat table of them all, but I have to get the actual graphic files for each item in a format that works with browsers (GIF would be best I suppose.) Does someone have a graphic tool that can do this for me, and send them to me in a ZIP file? Then I can put up a long table with all of them, with their name, description, etc., and what they are supposed to become, then we can post who wants to work on each one, and put the new one up there when it's finished. Then when they are all done someone can make a package of them, with the necessary changes to the settings also.
I envison there being another control in the TTDPatch Starter (which needs to become an actual part of the patch, and I think pretty much is going to be in the new version) where you can install new scenarios. Then you get a dropdown for "Replacement of Toyland" - East Asia, Canada, Sweden, Netherlands, Germany, etc. You could only pick one at a time, of course, but the Patch could record in each game file which one it was supposed to be and switch them back when you loaded a saved game. It looks like we want complete environments this way, since we now have a list of German engines, several Dutch engines, and Canadian/US ones. Of course you could make an "environment" without actually replacing every last one of the graphics the way we have to with Toyland.
I envison there being another control in the TTDPatch Starter (which needs to become an actual part of the patch, and I think pretty much is going to be in the new version) where you can install new scenarios. Then you get a dropdown for "Replacement of Toyland" - East Asia, Canada, Sweden, Netherlands, Germany, etc. You could only pick one at a time, of course, but the Patch could record in each game file which one it was supposed to be and switch them back when you loaded a saved game. It looks like we want complete environments this way, since we now have a list of German engines, several Dutch engines, and Canadian/US ones. Of course you could make an "environment" without actually replacing every last one of the graphics the way we have to with Toyland.
I think the mini mill itself are good, but the name... yack!!!
The trucks/waggons for it could be MB's sheet metal waggons, or...?
Otherwise this idea is going to be pretty cool!! It's good that we don't have such common industries as oil wells.
The trucks/waggons for it could be MB's sheet metal waggons, or...?
Otherwise this idea is going to be pretty cool!! It's good that we don't have such common industries as oil wells.
G-Klav
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OK, I will take the sprites file and see what I can do with it to post them all neatly.
I am a little worried about the Hi-Tech vector, in that it would look odd in 1930. The car vector is a bit forced too but I think close enough. Maybe instead of being a Chip Fab, it's just Electronics Factory, producing Export Goods instead of Chips.
I am a little worried about the Hi-Tech vector, in that it would look odd in 1930. The car vector is a bit forced too but I think close enough. Maybe instead of being a Chip Fab, it's just Electronics Factory, producing Export Goods instead of Chips.
>> So is someone creating a site for the NewTexture set?
>> Then we can list people who work on it, and hand out work
Yes, that is exactly what I am doing. It'll keep things more neatly organized. Basically just a big HTML table with
1. Reference number
2. GIF of the sprite
3. PCX of the sprite
4. Name/description of the sprite, and what it should become
5. Name of who's claimed it to replace it
6. GIF of the replacement file
And when they are all done they'll all be there to be converted into the proper format, with the other necessary coding information
>> Then we can list people who work on it, and hand out work
Yes, that is exactly what I am doing. It'll keep things more neatly organized. Basically just a big HTML table with
1. Reference number
2. GIF of the sprite
3. PCX of the sprite
4. Name/description of the sprite, and what it should become
5. Name of who's claimed it to replace it
6. GIF of the replacement file
And when they are all done they'll all be there to be converted into the proper format, with the other necessary coding information
WORKING FILES POSTED
OK, I have posted a reference page for all the Toyland graphics.
<a href="http://www.as-st.com/ttd">http://www.as-st.com/ttd</a>
Please post all comments and contributions concerning that page here where I can see them.
NOTE: All the images are viewable, which means the entire page is BIG. If you don't have a broadband connection, expect to be there a while.
<a href="http://www.as-st.com/ttd">http://www.as-st.com/ttd</a>
Please post all comments and contributions concerning that page here where I can see them.
NOTE: All the images are viewable, which means the entire page is BIG. If you don't have a broadband connection, expect to be there a while.
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hehe ... here you go:krtaylor wrote:OK, let me try that link again...
http://www.as-st.com/ttd
http://www.as-st.com/ttd
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