[simu] Vehicle costs?

[Hansjoerg Malthaner]

Hello,

I have problems to determine proper vehicle costs for my home made
transport simluation "simu".

Those costs should stand in proper relations to costs for building road
and railroad tracks, depots and stations and all the other things.

Please help me to find the proper costs for all that stuff.

I would like to see all costs well balanced, so that it makes sense to
use a lorry on a route where only few goods have to be transported and
a train where lots of goods have to be transported. So a lorry should be
much cheaper than a train, or should just building roads be cheaper than
building railroads?

What would you expect a train depot should cost? Twice as much as a
standard locomotive?

A single map square in simu is considered to be 1 km (about 0.6 miles
(?)) long, perhaps this will help to determine road building costs.

All suggestions highly appreciated!

thanks,
Hajo

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[Paul Wright]

: A single map square in simu is considered to be 1 km (about 0.6 miles
: (?)) long, perhaps this will help to determine road building costs

I always Thought 1k was 1.6 miles? Not too sure though cos I never use them.

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[Peter J. Dobrovka]

Paul Wright schrieb in Nachricht ...

: A single map square in simu is considered to be 1 km (about 0.6 miles
: (?)) long, perhaps this will help to determine road building costs

I always Thought 1k was 1.6 miles? Not too sure though cos I never use
them.

1.6 km = 1 mile
2.8 km = 1 seamile

Peter

[Phillip Michael Jordan]

1.6 km = 1 mile
2.8 km = 1 seamile

That's "nautical mile"

and 1mi = 1,62km

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[Eddie Bernard]

Paul Wright <paul_a_wri...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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: A single map square in simu is considered to be 1 km (about 0.6 miles
: (?)) long, perhaps this will help to determine road building costs

I always Thought 1k was 1.6 miles? Not too sure though cos I never use
them.

I go on the the rule of thumb...
1 km is about 3/4 of a mile.

I'm a very metric person. I've never used inches, pounds, ounces etc in my
life. The only one I'm not too familiar with is the mile and kilometre, for
the simple reason that roadsigns are in miles, rather than kilometres. But
I'm putting a stop to using the silly British mile. Go Metric, that's what I
say.

Loads of people in the UK use feet and inches for their height. Not me. I
use metres and centimetres.
My own height is 1.8 metres, and if I say that to anyone, they
say...."What?" Arggh...why do I have to convert it for them!!

Eddie
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[Hansjoerg Malthaner]

Hi !

I go on the the rule of thumb...
1 km is about 3/4 of a mile.

After we found so many rules to change miles into kilometers and vice
versa, what about the vehicle costs?

I think, its much more important to have good vehicle costs in the game
than to know exactly how long a square of the map is (in fact it is 1
km).

An suggestions for the vehicle costs ?

Thanks,
Hajo



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[Aaron Severn]

In article <87aam4$a0...@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk>, "Eddie Bernard" <eddie@I_luurrrve_spam.ttworld.the-whale.com> writes:

I'm a very metric person. I've never used inches, pounds, ounces etc in my
life. The only one I'm not too familiar with is the mile and kilometre, for
the simple reason that roadsigns are in miles, rather than kilometres. But
I'm putting a stop to using the silly British mile. Go Metric, that's what I
say.

Loads of people in the UK use feet and inches for their height. Not me. I
use metres and centimetres.
My own height is 1.8 metres, and if I say that to anyone, they
say...."What?" Arggh...why do I have to convert it for them!!

Canada's been metric for years but people still measure their height in
feet and weight in pounds. It seems kind of strange that if somebody tells
me some place is 2km away I know exactly what they're talking about but if
they say they're 1.8m tall I haven't a clue.

Of course, we haven't gone metric in A LOT of areas. We've still got back
yards, dog pounds, and guys named Miles.
-Aaron

[Paul Wright]

It'll take a helluva long time to go metric here I can imagine. Imperial
prices can stay for ten years beside metric. Though a lot of shops have
large imperial prices and small metric ones. I just noticed today, My
measuring jug don't have ml, just fluid ounce, not too good for boiling
metric rice!

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Aaron Severn <asev...@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca> wrote in message
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: In article <87aam4$a0...@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk>, "Eddie Bernard"
<eddie@I_luurrrve_spam.ttworld.the-whale.com> writes:
: > I'm a very metric person. I've never used inches, pounds, ounces etc in
my
: > life. The only one I'm not too familiar with is the mile and kilometre,
for
: > the simple reason that roadsigns are in miles, rather than kilometres.
But
: > I'm putting a stop to using the silly British mile. Go Metric, that's
what I
: > say.
: >
: > Loads of people in the UK use feet and inches for their height. Not me.
I
: > use metres and centimetres.
: > My own height is 1.8 metres, and if I say that to anyone, they
: > say...."What?" Arggh...why do I have to convert it for them!!
:
: Canada's been metric for years but people still measure their height in
: feet and weight in pounds. It seems kind of strange that if somebody
tells
: me some place is 2km away I know exactly what they're talking about but if
: they say they're 1.8m tall I haven't a clue.
:
: Of course, we haven't gone metric in A LOT of areas. We've still got back
: yards, dog pounds, and guys named Miles.
: -Aaron

[Paul Wright]

Thats what I thought, thanks for confirming! [Just like Who Wants to be a
Millionaire!]

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Peter J. Dobrovka <dobro...@t-online.de> wrote in message
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:
: Paul Wright schrieb in Nachricht ...
: >: A single map square in simu is considered to be 1 km (about 0.6 miles
: >: (?)) long, perhaps this will help to determine road building costs
: >
: >I always Thought 1k was 1.6 miles? Not too sure though cos I never use
: them.
:
:
: 1.6 km = 1 mile
: 2.8 km = 1 seamile
:
: Peter
:
:

[Peter J. Dobrovka]

Hansjoerg Malthaner schrieb in Nachricht <87bcg9$s5...@nnrp1.deja.com>...

Hi !
I go on the the rule of thumb...
1 km is about 3/4 of a mile.

After we found so many rules to change miles into kilometers and vice
versa, what about the vehicle costs?

I think, its much more important to have good vehicle costs in the game
than to know exactly how long a square of the map is (in fact it is 1
km).

An suggestions for the vehicle costs ?

This has to be balanced.
The vehicle costs split into minimum two parts: buying costs and running
costs.
You also can introduce maintaining costs and reselling costs.
The trick of good balance is to have one vehicle being the good for certain
situations and being bad for other situations. There is no general formula.

I suggest to have three categories for every situation as result of a
balance: best (making the big money), fair (producing nearly no revenue),
bad (loosing money by running).

The buying costs are connected with speed, reliability and horsepower. The
running costs with distance and height levels. The revenues come from cargo
type and amount, speed of delivery and extras. Very complex, hehe.

A good example is to have a railroad from a coal mine to a steel mill. To
use an intercity express would be not good because it is expensive and there
is no need for speed. A cheap engine is enough. In case of mountainous
terrain maybe you need some horsepower to overcome the grades.

I suggest having a generic currency that you can display as DM, $, £, ¥,
Euro...

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[Hansjoerg Malthaner]

"Peter J. Dobrovka" <dobro...@t-online.de> wrote:

Hansjoerg Malthaner wrote:
I think, its much more important to have good vehicle costs in the
game
than to know exactly how long a square of the map is (in fact it is 1
km).

An suggestions for the vehicle costs ?

This has to be balanced.

Sure

The vehicle costs split into minimum two parts: buying costs and
running
costs.

I'm interested in buying costs by now. Unfortunately no one posted
numbers yet

You also can introduce maintaining costs and reselling costs.

Will be there. Running cost are already working in Simu.

I suggest having a generic currency that you can display as DM, $, £,
¥,
Euro...

I'll use an abstract credit unit "Credits" short "Cr". No need for fancy
currency symbols

Currently a train depot costs 1000 Cr, a passenger waggon is 800 Cr, one
km road will cost 100 Cr, one km rail also 100 Cr.

Locomotives range from 8000 to 14000 Cr at the moment.

I feel this numbers being vastly disbalanced, but can't figure out
better ones, so please help me finding better values!

I need costs for trucks too ... and station buildings, mail offices,
truck loading bays and much more.

Peter

Hajo

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Paul Wright <paul_a_wri...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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I just noticed today, My measuring jug don't have ml, just fluid ounce,
not too good for boiling metric rice!

How about using the 'lazy' method?

Half a mug of rice for each person?
Works for me......


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[Jake]

On Fri, 04 Feb 2000 08:09:29 GMT, Hansjoerg Malthaner
<haj...@my-deja.com> wrote:

I'm interested in buying costs by now. Unfortunately no one posted
numbers yet

This could be because its difficult to work out. I know you want to
get this right but I feel what might be better is you work out some
numbers of costs, and then post them here. That way you'll probably
get more opinions, cos some people would rather not do any work
and just respond to what you think.

Currently a train depot costs 1000 Cr, a passenger waggon is 800 Cr, one
km road will cost 100 Cr, one km rail also 100 Cr.

Locomotives range from 8000 to 14000 Cr at the moment.

I feel this numbers being vastly disbalanced, but can't figure out
better ones, so please help me finding better values!

Erm...use a different currency by all means, but from here all we can
go on is the relative comparison of the numbers. Maybe you could work
out some exchange rate, like #1 = 10Cr. and then perhaps try to find
out some prices of vehicles and convert them. Hmm...this is the best I
can do I'm afraid.

I need costs for trucks too ... and station buildings, mail offices,
truck loading bays and much more.

I would keep these last three to a minimum. Theyll only get in the way
and perhaps add unneccesary work to the game. Include them by all
means to add realism, but dont overcharge for them. See what I mean?

Cheers,

Jake

[Hansjoerg Malthaner]

Jake <j...@top-secret.co.uk> wrote:

I'm interested in buying costs by now. Unfortunately no one posted
numbers yet
[...]
Currently a train depot costs 1000 Cr, a passenger waggon is 800 Cr,
one
km road will cost 100 Cr, one km rail also 100 Cr.

Locomotives range from 8000 to 14000 Cr at the moment.
[...]
Erm...use a different currency by all means, but from here all we can
go on is the relative comparison of the numbers. Maybe you could work
out some exchange rate, like #1 = 10Cr. and then perhaps try to find
out some prices of vehicles and convert them. Hmm...this is the best I
can do I'm afraid.

I didn't want to give an excange rate for credits because I'm afraid of
people yelling this is too cheap or this is far too expensive, I rather
liked to have some relative values which are somewhate balanced to make
simu playable but not comparable to real world. Unfortunately this
doesn't seem to work.

So, I decided one credit to be 25 US $ (1 Cr = 25 US $).
I want to keep the numbers small, and most things in Simu are very
expensive in real world, therefore the high value for one credit.

Maybe this helps.

c.u.
Hajo



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