3DTT - Debate now in session..............

[Stephen Down]

Phillip Michael Jordan wrote:

*gnarks*
Could you PLEASE indent the original message with > not : ???
That would be real great!
And another thing: please try to reply at the bottom, it saves lots of
unnecessary scrolling

And another thing: please <snip> all the crap to save lots of
unnecessary scrolling

[Trikklennium]

Eddie Bernard <e...@ttworld.the-whale.com> wrote in message
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Trikklennium <tri...@transport-tycoon.co.uk> wrote
You should try putting more body into it.....Maybe even call for others
interjetions (God I hope I spelt that right!!!)
No sorry, it's "interjections" There's a 'c' in it

Bugger...B-(

Use the OE5 spell checker. Mind you, you need to have Microsoft office for
you to be able to do that though.

Stuff it....I use Lotus (Much better!)

--
Rick McGreal
Life is a bunch of Roses...Complete with thorns.
tri...@transport-tycoon.co.uk
http://www.transport-tycoon.co.uk

[Boudewijn]

Eddie Bernard <e...@ttworld.the-whale.com> schreef in berichtnieuws
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Peter J. Dobrovka <dobro...@t-online.de> wrote
So you don't want to read about 3DTT here? Hmm...
You called this NG boring. Doesn't it become even
more boring if I leave?

Please Peter, don't leave. It would become boring,

You kiss-ass!

as I am afraid that at
the moment there is nothing else about TT here. Maybe we could just clean
out this group, and use it for 3DTT only. It would save everyone the job
of moaning about their server not carrying the group.

[Boudewijn]

Phillip Michael Jordan <pmjor...@gmx.at.REMOVETHIS> schreef in berichtnieuws
85099e$qh...@news.netway.at...

[snip]

:
:
:

*gnarks*
Could you PLEASE indent the original message with > not : ???
That would be real great!
And anoter thing: please try to reply at the bottom, it saves lots of
unnecessary scrolling

You know what : means, so why complain?
Replying at the bottom requires scrolling to the bottom.
You should have asked him to make his posts chronologically correct or whatever,
which is not such a bad idea, since everybody else does it.

[Paul Wright]

alright:

WHY IS THIS GROUP BORING???????/

hows that?

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Trikklennium <tri...@transport-tycoon.co.uk> wrote in message
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:
: Paul Wright <ask...@for.it> wrote in message
: news:s71mvvkq5k232@corp.supernews.com...
: > i did, titled "boring"
:
: Hmm...Wasn't much of a 'breaking story' was it?
:
: You should try putting more body into it.....Maybe even call for others
: interjetions (God I hope I spelt that right!!!)
:
: > E-Mail: Ask me for it
:
: Cane I have 3 with extra chips and a buttered muffin?
: Ta.....
: --
: Rick McGreal
: Life is a bunch of Roses...Complete with thorns.
: tri...@transport-tycoon.co.uk
: http://www.transport-tycoon.co.uk
:
:

[Paul Wright]

dunno how to change it, and btw, i post at the top, so the post will oen at
the top, unless you have the monitor upside down <G> BTW whats wrong with a
: even though i don't know how it got there

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Phillip Michael Jordan <pmjor...@gmx.at.REMOVETHIS> wrote in message
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:
: Paul Wright <ask...@for.it> wrote in message
: news:s773bp5vhu8152@corp.supernews.com...
: > it'll be about all aspects of the game, technical, multiplayer, stuff
like
: > that, thats what most games groups are
: >
: > --
: > ____________________________________________________________________
: >
: > Paul Wright
: > ICQ UIN: 38986089
: > E-Mail: Ask me for it
: > ___________________________________________________________________
: >
: > Eddie Bernard <e...@ttworld.the-whale.com> wrote in message
: > news:84r5tj$udr$1@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk...
: > : Stephen Down <ste...@sjd117.free$haft.co.uk> wrote
: > : > Please don't go!
: > : >
: > : > Eddie, you are talking bollocks.
: > :
: > : Thanks very much.
: > :
: > : > There is a lot of technical discussion here regarding sound cards,
: link
: > : > play and all sorts of things in TT that neither I nor lots of other
: > : > people here want to read. Inevitably there will also be some
technical
: > : > aspects to 3DTT that come up for discussion. Yes, maybe sometimes
they
: > : > should be confined to email, but no more so than for many other
: threads
: > : > that appear here.
: > :
: > : The fact still remains that this is not Transport Tycoon. Yes, it is a
: > : sequel, but technical discussion of a *different* game is not exactly
: what
: > : this group is for. Don't even ask me what this group is for! The
: original
: > : control message didn't include a charter or justification of its
: creation!
: > : Although with a name like Transport Tycoon, it is hard not to know
what
: it
: > : is
: > :
: > : > Peter, you are a very welcome guest. You are trying to grant us all
: our
: > : > wishes in your new game, and we love to hear of its progress
: regularly.
: > : > I'm sure many people here wouldn't bother, or wouldn't be able to,
: > : > subscribe to a newsgroup that relates exclusively to 3DTT, but still
: > : > make constructive suggestions on this NG. Stay with us!
: > :
: > : Stephen, I have not asked, nor do I want Peter to leave, as I
mentioned
: in
: > : my reply to Peter's post. I agree, I enjoy the 3DTT discussion, and
take
: > : part in it, and I do like to know what is going on. I certainly would
: not
: > : have known anything about 3DTT if I had never been on this NG.
: > :
: > :
: > :
: > :
: >
: *gnarks*
: Could you PLEASE indent the original message with > not : ???
: That would be real great!
: And anoter thing: please try to reply at the bottom, it saves lots of
: unnecessary scrolling
:
: Thanks
: Phillip
:
:

[Paul Wright]

dunno how to change it, and btw, i post at the top, so the post will oen at
the top, unless you have the monitor upside down <G> BTW whats wrong with a
: even though i don't know how it got there

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Phillip Michael Jordan <pmjor...@gmx.at.REMOVETHIS> wrote in message
news:85099e$qhf$5@news.netway.at...
:
: Paul Wright <ask...@for.it> wrote in message
: news:s773bp5vhu8152@corp.supernews.com...
: > it'll be about all aspects of the game, technical, multiplayer, stuff
like
: > that, thats what most games groups are
: >
: > --
: > ____________________________________________________________________
: >
: > Paul Wright
: > ICQ UIN: 38986089
: > E-Mail: Ask me for it
: > ___________________________________________________________________
: >
: > Eddie Bernard <e...@ttworld.the-whale.com> wrote in message
: > news:84r5tj$udr$1@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk...
: > : Stephen Down <ste...@sjd117.free$haft.co.uk> wrote
: > : > Please don't go!
: > : >
: > : > Eddie, you are talking bollocks.
: > :
: > : Thanks very much.
: > :
: > : > There is a lot of technical discussion here regarding sound cards,
: link
: > : > play and all sorts of things in TT that neither I nor lots of other
: > : > people here want to read. Inevitably there will also be some
technical
: > : > aspects to 3DTT that come up for discussion. Yes, maybe sometimes
they
: > : > should be confined to email, but no more so than for many other
: threads
: > : > that appear here.
: > :
: > : The fact still remains that this is not Transport Tycoon. Yes, it is a
: > : sequel, but technical discussion of a *different* game is not exactly
: what
: > : this group is for. Don't even ask me what this group is for! The
: original
: > : control message didn't include a charter or justification of its
: creation!
: > : Although with a name like Transport Tycoon, it is hard not to know
what
: it
: > : is
: > :
: > : > Peter, you are a very welcome guest. You are trying to grant us all
: our
: > : > wishes in your new game, and we love to hear of its progress
: regularly.
: > : > I'm sure many people here wouldn't bother, or wouldn't be able to,
: > : > subscribe to a newsgroup that relates exclusively to 3DTT, but still
: > : > make constructive suggestions on this NG. Stay with us!
: > :
: > : Stephen, I have not asked, nor do I want Peter to leave, as I
mentioned
: in
: > : my reply to Peter's post. I agree, I enjoy the 3DTT discussion, and
take
: > : part in it, and I do like to know what is going on. I certainly would
: not
: > : have known anything about 3DTT if I had never been on this NG.
: > :
: > :
: > :
: > :
: >
: *gnarks*
: Could you PLEASE indent the original message with > not : ???
: That would be real great!
: And anoter thing: please try to reply at the bottom, it saves lots of
: unnecessary scrolling
:
: Thanks
: Phillip
:
:

[Bill Hayles]

On Thu, 6 Jan 2000 22:45:32 -0000, "Eddie Bernard"
<e...@ttworld.the-whale.com> wrote:

Phillip Michael Jordan <pmjor...@gmx.at.REMOVETHIS> wrote
NASTY WEIGHT="very"
Or do you mean Americans?
/NASTY

No, I don't mean Americans, I mean lazy people who haven't heard of some
form of proper sentence structure. In any case, the people from foreign
countries might probably write better, as in England, the English you speak
is mainly inherited, and then you try and tidy it up in English lessons,
sometimes successful, other times not.

I think this is very true. When you learn a foreign language, you learn
it in a structured way, with the emphasis on form and grammar just as
much as vocabulary.

I learnt Spanish by declension and conjugation. Given a Spanish
infinitive, I can probably give you the gerund or the past participle.
Whether I know what the verb means is another matter!

I am well known as a pedant when it comes to matters of grammar.
Constructions such as "if it was me" instead of "if it were me", or
"different to" rather than "different from" ("different" is as ablative
an adjective as can be imagined) annoy me. Perhaps they shouldn't;
maybe my less than perfect typing annoys others - I'm not perfect! What
is worse is that very often, those who use such phrases don't even
realise they are wrong.

When I was at school, I was given a thorough grounding in language
construction and grammar, and I learnt Latin. This skills have stood me
in good stead over the years and although I found them boring at the
time I'm very thankful that I learnt them.

I wouldn't say all my posts have perfect spelling and grammar, but I try my
best.

The standard of literacy in this group is first class, which is just one
of the many factors which make it a pleasure to read it.

I know how to do all the basic things, which sadly some can't do, like

capital letters, full stops, commas and tenses. In the UK, some people have
problems with all that. And then more advanced stuff, like semi colons,
infinitives, correct usage of apostrophes, and more. I 'think' that I can do
most of these, but not perfectly.

Are these still taught in schools? I get the impression that they
aren't, and if that is the case, how can people be blamed for not
knowing them!


From Benitachell, Alicante, Spain
Bill Hayles
bill...@ctv.es

[Bill Hayles]

On Wed, 5 Jan 2000 18:44:52 -0000, "Paul Wright" <ask...@for.it> wrote:

did i say you had to go peter, no i'm just saying it IS a tt ng

Ten errors in one sentence. Usenet is all about communication. If you
wish to get your point across, it helps to make it easy to read.
From Benitachell, Alicante, Spain
Bill Hayles
bill...@ctv.es

[Eddie Bernard]

Bill Hayles wrote

"Eddie Bernard" wrote:
No, I don't mean Americans, I mean lazy people who haven't heard of some
form of proper sentence structure. In any case, the people from foreign
countries might probably write better, as in England, the English you
speak
is mainly inherited, and then you try and tidy it up in English lessons,
sometimes successful, other times not.

I think this is very true. When you learn a foreign language, you learn
it in a structured way, with the emphasis on form and grammar just as
much as vocabulary.

I learnt Spanish by declension and conjugation. Given a Spanish
infinitive, I can probably give you the gerund or the past participle.
Whether I know what the verb means is another matter!

We've been doing some of that recently in Spanish. Doing it in English was
pretty mind numbing, so you can imagine what it was like in Spanish!!

When I was at school, I was given a thorough grounding in language
construction and grammar, and I learnt Latin. This skills have stood me
in good stead over the years and although I found them boring at the
time I'm very thankful that I learnt them.

I did Latin last year. Perfect, and imperfect tenses no one really
understood. But I did.
At school, the teacher tried to learn us about past participles, to no
success. The idea of the exercise was to pick out which word was the past
particple. No one knew, but that doesn't really matter. AFAI can see, the
usage of it is more important, and I believe that I know how to use it,
without knowing it.

I wouldn't say all my posts have perfect spelling and grammar, but I try
my
best.

The standard of literacy in this group is first class, which is just one
of the many factors which make it a pleasure to read it.

Oooh! I must admit, there is a good standard of English here.

I know how to do all the basic things, which sadly some can't do, like
capital letters, full stops, commas and tenses. In the UK, some people
have
problems with all that. And then more advanced stuff, like semi colons,
infinitives, correct usage of apostrophes, and more. I 'think' that I can
do
most of these, but not perfectly.

Are these still taught in schools? I get the impression that they
aren't, and if that is the case, how can people be blamed for not
knowing them!

I learned capital letters, full stops, commas and tenses in primary school,
and it was then I obtained a good grasp of them. Now in the seniors, we have
done apostrophes , and I'm not gloating here , I already knew them and I
find it easy. Semi-colons I sort of understand. They link two sentences
together which wouldn't really make as good a sense on their own. Maybe them
last two could have been joined with one. The old infinitive is pretty easy,
and until recently we were told not to split it, but then, Oxford English
Dictionary decided that it was no longer poor grammar. I hear Trekkies, like
myself, breathing a huge sigh of relief....."To boldly go...." which as we
all know is a split infinitive.

Eddie
-- Personal Site: http://www.ebernard.greatxscape.net
-- Transport Tycoon World: http://www.ttworld.cjb.net

[Eddie Bernard]

Bill Hayles <bill...@ctv.es> wrote

"Paul Wright" <ask...@for.it> wrote:

did i say you had to go peter, no i'm just saying it IS a tt ng

Ten errors in one sentence. Usenet is all about communication. If you
wish to get your point across, it helps to make it easy to read.

Oh dear people, I can see that we are becoming pretty vexed over this issue.
But this could be an interesting game....

I think I got them all.
1) "did" - capital letter.
2) "i" - similiar error.
3) "peter" - P should be capitalised.
4) After Peter should really be a ?
5) "no" therefore should be capitalised.
6) Maybe a comma after "no".
7) "i'm" - I should be capitalised.
"tt" - should be capitalised as it is an acronym.
9) "ng" - similar.
10) Fullstop after ng.

As 7 of them are capitalisation errors, most of the errors are the result of
laziness. A lot of people on Usenet are like this though. There isn't a
problem with the English itself, only the fullstop, question mark and comma.

Eddie
-- Personal Site: http://www.ebernard.greatxscape.net
-- Transport Tycoon World: http://www.ttworld.cjb.net

[Eddie Bernard]

Boudewijn <newsgr...@bdijkstra.tmfweb.nl> wrote

Eddie Bernard <e...@ttworld.the-whale.com> schreef in berichtnieuws
84toms$u3...@news7.svr.pol.co.uk...
Peter J. Dobrovka <dobro...@t-online.de> wrote
So you don't want to read about 3DTT here? Hmm...
You called this NG boring. Doesn't it become even
more boring if I leave?

Please Peter, don't leave. It would become boring,

You kiss-ass!

Yes.....<strange look at Boudewijn>....naturally......

Eddie
-- Personal Site: http://www.ebernard.greatxscape.net
-- Transport Tycoon World: http://www.ttworld.cjb.net

[Paul Wright]

well as long as there nothing happenin in tt it's fine to post

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Eddie Bernard <e...@ttworld.the-whale.com> wrote in message
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: Paul Wright <ask...@for.it> wrote
: > maybe, but the rule always was we only posted OT's when there was nowt
: > happenin, how about that for 3dtt?
:
: There is always something happening with 3DTT though.
:
: Eddie
: -- Personal Site: http://www.ebernard.greatxscape.net
: -- Transport Tycoon World: http://www.ttworld.cjb.net
:
:

[Paul Wright]

yay! someone agrees with me, and iWONT post a t the bottom now i know i no
it pisses you off, i agree abouty the : it could be anything, it doesn't
really matter in my mind

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Boudewijn <newsgr...@bdijkstra.tmfweb.nl> wrote in message
news:%mud4.2218$Z82.48866@zonnet-reader-1...

: You know what : means, so why complain?
: Replying at the bottom requires scrolling to the bottom.
: You should have asked him to make his posts chronologically correct or
whatever,
: which is not such a bad idea, since everybody else does it.
:
:
:
:

[Paul Wright]

you meaning me there eddie?

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Eddie Bernard <e...@ttworld.the-whale.com> wrote in message
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: I think their English is fantastic. I can understand it very easily. It is
: much better than even some English people on Usenet can manage!

: Eddie
: -- Personal Site: http://www.ebernard.greatxscape.net
: -- Transport Tycoon World: http://www.ttworld.cjb.net
:
:

[Paul Wright]

<RUNS AWAY>

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Eddie Bernard <e...@ttworld.the-whale.com> wrote in message
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: Boudewijn <newsgr...@bdijkstra.tmfweb.nl> wrote
: > Eddie Bernard <e...@ttworld.the-whale.com> schreef in berichtnieuws
: > 84toms$u3...@news7.svr.pol.co.uk...
: > > Peter J. Dobrovka <dobro...@t-online.de> wrote
: > > > So you don't want to read about 3DTT here? Hmm...
: > > > You called this NG boring. Doesn't it become even
: > > > more boring if I leave?
: > >
: > > Please Peter, don't leave. It would become boring,
: >
: > You kiss-ass!
:
: Yes.....<strange look at Boudewijn>....naturally......
:
: Eddie
: -- Personal Site: http://www.ebernard.greatxscape.net
: -- Transport Tycoon World: http://www.ttworld.cjb.net
:
:

[Paul Wright]

so, who care, no one, if it bothers you so much, put a k/f on me, or beg to
my isop to ban me, i go my point acrros, i told peter he misunderstood me

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Bill Hayles <bill...@ctv.es> wrote in message
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: On Wed, 5 Jan 2000 18:44:52 -0000, "Paul Wright" <ask...@for.it> wrote:
:
: >did i say you had to go peter, no i'm just saying it IS a tt ng
:
: Ten errors in one sentence. Usenet is all about communication. If you
: wish to get your point across, it helps to make it easy to read.
: From Benitachell, Alicante, Spain
: Bill Hayles
: bill...@ctv.es

[Rémi Denis]

Eddie Bernard <e...@ttworld.the-whale.com> a écrit dans le message :

Bill Hayes wrote:
Rémi and Peter, your English is just fine. You are both easily
understood. I know how hard it can be to write in a foreign language
newsgroup (I've dipped my toe into Spanish groups). Those who've only
ever tried to communicate in their own language just don't appreciate
the difficulties.

Thanks.
There might be no problem with being understood
but understanding is often difficult or even impossible for me
-( especially when English speaking people use references or words/word
spellings not in my little dictionary.

I can understand it very easily. It is much better than even some English
people on Usenet can manage!

To my mind, it must be due to the fact that we use simple words in -quite-
simple sentences.

--
Rémi
(Unofficial) AGMT-T translation team member.
-remove every numbers to reply-

Eddie

[Bill Hayles]

On Fri, 7 Jan 2000 20:05:36 -0000, "Eddie Bernard"
<e...@ttworld.the-whale.com> wrote:

I learned capital letters, full stops, commas and tenses in primary school,
and it was then I obtained a good grasp of them. Now in the seniors, we have
done apostrophes , and I'm not gloating here , I already knew them and I
find it easy. Semi-colons I sort of understand. They link two sentences
together which wouldn't really make as good a sense on their own. Maybe them
last two could have been joined with one. The old infinitive is pretty easy,
and until recently we were told not to split it, but then, Oxford English
Dictionary decided that it was no longer poor grammar. I hear Trekkies, like
myself, breathing a huge sigh of relief....."To boldly go...." which as we
all know is a split infinitive.

I did the whole caboosh by the time I was 10. In secondary school we
went onto clause analysis and root derivatives.

<old man rant>

Why won't they teach the kids of today properly. There's nothing wrong
with the kids. It's just that less is expected of them, their goals are
set lower, and they just aren't taught to the same level. If the
standard of literacy is declining (and I think it is), it's NOT the
fault of those who are learning, but of those who are failing to teach

</old man rant>

It's OK. I've taken my tablet. Normal inanities will be resumed
shortly.

From Benitachell, Alicante, Spain
Bill Hayles
bill...@ctv.es

[Bill Hayles]

On Fri, 7 Jan 2000 20:13:10 -0000, "Eddie Bernard"
<e...@ttworld.the-whale.com> wrote:

Bill Hayles <bill...@ctv.es> wrote
"Paul Wright" <ask...@for.it> wrote:

did i say you had to go peter, no i'm just saying it IS a tt ng

Ten errors in one sentence. Usenet is all about communication. If you
wish to get your point across, it helps to make it easy to read.

Oh dear people, I can see that we are becoming pretty vexed over this issue.
But this could be an interesting game....

Maybe, but I think it's unfair to Paul to keep singling him out. I was
just using him as an example.

The serious point I was trying to get across is that when you post a
message to a newsgroup you are trying to communicate with others. The
easier you make it to read your post, the more likely your intended
audience are to read it and take it seriously.

To this end, it makes sense (in my opinion) to write in sentences and
paragraphs, using punctuation and capital letters where convention
decrees. Paul may well have something useful to say. I don't know - I
tend to press "next" when I see that spaghetti of lower case letters.

You wanted an interesting game. Here's one.

Simply by changing the punctuation, capitalisation and emphasis, how
many different meanings can you make of the sentence

what is this thing called love

I claim no originality for this particular poser. There are supposed to
be over twenty variations!

From Benitachell, Alicante, Spain
Bill Hayles
bill...@ctv.es