3DTT - Debate now in session..............

[Eddie Bernard]

Peter J. Dobrovka <dobro...@t-online.de> wrote

OK, thanks for clarification.
As I said, I would love and be proud to have an own NG, but I doubt its
benefits. In part by technical aspect, in part by non-technical.
We could try to do one thing: You could set up a 3DTT-NG and as long as it
is not available we do cross-posting. Enhances traffic in the 3DTT-NG (to
force providers to carry it) without loosing messages. But it don't know
when does the time come we could stop the crossposting.

That does sound viable. As I have mentioned, the earlier it is made, the
more time it wil have to be on more servers. The crossposting would mean the
FAQ for this group would need to be rewritten. Anyone not cross-posting,
will have their posts reposted to the group it didn't go to. I should be
able to do that.

MY humble idea would be to rename this newsgroup and kill out microprose
and
tyc, so it is called only alt.games.transport. Or to setup a new one with
this name. I don't think it makes too much sense to create a NG for a
single
game, there are too many cross-references, and 3DTT is not the last one of
this type, I think.

As Paul said, NG's can't be renamed, or destroyed. A new group would still
mean that people came here. A group like that though could bring in people
talking about all the new sequels, as you have pointed out. It maybe a very
heavy taffic group.

Eddie
-- http://www.ebernard.greatxscape.net

[Paul Wright]

surely x-posting everything defeats the point of a new gruop + i'd hafta
download everything twice

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Eddie Bernard <e...@ttworld.the-whale.com> wrote in message
news:84qp6m$4hg$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk...
: Peter J. Dobrovka <dobro...@t-online.de> wrote
: > OK, thanks for clarification.
: > As I said, I would love and be proud to have an own NG, but I doubt its
: > benefits. In part by technical aspect, in part by non-technical.
: > We could try to do one thing: You could set up a 3DTT-NG and as long as
it
: > is not available we do cross-posting. Enhances traffic in the 3DTT-NG
(to
: > force providers to carry it) without loosing messages. But it don't know
: > when does the time come we could stop the crossposting.
:
: That does sound viable. As I have mentioned, the earlier it is made, the
: more time it wil have to be on more servers. The crossposting would mean
the
: FAQ for this group would need to be rewritten. Anyone not cross-posting,
: will have their posts reposted to the group it didn't go to. I should be
: able to do that.
:
: > MY humble idea would be to rename this newsgroup and kill out microprose
: and
: > tyc, so it is called only alt.games.transport. Or to setup a new one
with
: > this name. I don't think it makes too much sense to create a NG for a
: single
: > game, there are too many cross-references, and 3DTT is not the last one
of
: > this type, I think.
:
: As Paul said, NG's can't be renamed, or destroyed. A new group would still
: mean that people came here. A group like that though could bring in people
: talking about all the new sequels, as you have pointed out. It maybe a
very
: heavy taffic group.
:
: Eddie
: -- http://www.ebernard.greatxscape.net
:
:
:
:

[Stephen Down]

Peter J. Dobrovka wrote:

Yes, but I feel also a bit uncomfortable to post here since this
discussion came up. Since I am participating not long ago, I
still feel like a guest here and if I am no liked guest...

Please don't go!

Eddie, you are talking bollocks.
There is a lot of technical discussion here regarding sound cards, link
play and all sorts of things in TT that neither I nor lots of other
people here want to read. Inevitably there will also be some technical
aspects to 3DTT that come up for discussion. Yes, maybe sometimes they
should be confined to email, but no more so than for many other threads
that appear here.

Peter, you are a very welcome guest. You are trying to grant us all our
wishes in your new game, and we love to hear of its progress regularly.
I'm sure many people here wouldn't bother, or wouldn't be able to,
subscribe to a newsgroup that relates exclusively to 3DTT, but still
make constructive suggestions on this NG. Stay with us!

[Eddie Bernard]

Stephen Down <ste...@sjd117.free$haft.co.uk> wrote

Please don't go!

Eddie, you are talking bollocks.

Thanks very much.

There is a lot of technical discussion here regarding sound cards, link
play and all sorts of things in TT that neither I nor lots of other
people here want to read. Inevitably there will also be some technical
aspects to 3DTT that come up for discussion. Yes, maybe sometimes they
should be confined to email, but no more so than for many other threads
that appear here.

The fact still remains that this is not Transport Tycoon. Yes, it is a
sequel, but technical discussion of a *different* game is not exactly what
this group is for. Don't even ask me what this group is for! The original
control message didn't include a charter or justification of its creation!
Although with a name like Transport Tycoon, it is hard not to know what it
is

Peter, you are a very welcome guest. You are trying to grant us all our
wishes in your new game, and we love to hear of its progress regularly.
I'm sure many people here wouldn't bother, or wouldn't be able to,
subscribe to a newsgroup that relates exclusively to 3DTT, but still
make constructive suggestions on this NG. Stay with us!

Stephen, I have not asked, nor do I want Peter to leave, as I mentioned in
my reply to Peter's post. I agree, I enjoy the 3DTT discussion, and take
part in it, and I do like to know what is going on. I certainly would not
have known anything about 3DTT if I had never been on this NG.

[Rémi Denis]

Peter J. Dobrovka <dobro...@t-online.de> a écrit dans le message :
84ph60$eo...@news04.btx.dtag.de...

As I said, I would love and be proud to have an own NG, but I doubt its
benefits. In part by technical aspect, in part by non-technical.
We could try to do one thing: You could set up a 3DTT-NG and as long as it
is not available we do cross-posting. Enhances traffic in the 3DTT-NG (to
force providers to carry it) without loosing messages. But it don't know
when does the time come we could stop the crossposting.

Yes, but does someone know how we are supposed to ask our ISPs so as they
carry it?

MY humble idea would be to rename this newsgroup and kill out microprose
and
tyc, so it is called only alt.games.transport. Or to setup a new one with
this name. I don't think it makes too much sense to create a NG for a
single
game, there are too many cross-references, and 3DTT is not the last one of
this type, I think.

No, I don't think that creating this might be a good idea:
I personnaly wouldn't like to download posts about R.R.T. 2 or another
transport simulation game I don't know, and I think I am not the only one.

About killing/renaming, read Paul's reply.
--
Rémi

Peter

[Paul Wright]

but theres adifference, and iw were gonna swear, so will i!

TT is the subject of this NG, so you f*** can talk about it, 3dtt IS NOT
teh subject of the newsgroup so e-mail is better, simple

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Paul Wright
ICQ UIN: 38986089
E-Mail: Ask me for it
___________________________________________________________________

Stephen Down <ste...@sjd117.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
news:84qucc$p8d$5@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk...
: Peter J. Dobrovka wrote:
:
: > Yes, but I feel also a bit uncomfortable to post here since this
: > discussion came up. Since I am participating not long ago, I
: > still feel like a guest here and if I am no liked guest...
:
: Please don't go!
:
: Eddie, you are talking bollocks.
: There is a lot of technical discussion here regarding sound cards, link
: play and all sorts of things in TT that neither I nor lots of other
: people here want to read. Inevitably there will also be some technical
: aspects to 3DTT that come up for discussion. Yes, maybe sometimes they
: should be confined to email, but no more so than for many other threads
: that appear here.
:
: Peter, you are a very welcome guest. You are trying to grant us all our
: wishes in your new game, and we love to hear of its progress regularly.
: I'm sure many people here wouldn't bother, or wouldn't be able to,
: subscribe to a newsgroup that relates exclusively to 3DTT, but still
: make constructive suggestions on this NG. Stay with us!
:
:
:
:
:

[Peter J. Dobrovka]

Paul Wright schrieb in Nachricht ...

but theres adifference, and iw were gonna swear, so will i!

TT is the subject of this NG, so you f*** can talk about it, 3dtt IS NOT
teh subject of the newsgroup so e-mail is better, simple

So you don't want to read about 3DTT here? Hmm...
You called this NG boring. Doesn't it become even more boring if I leave?

Peter
--
Die 3. Dimension der Strategiespiele:
http://www.digitalprojects.com/way-x

[Eddie Bernard]

Peter J. Dobrovka <dobro...@t-online.de> wrote

So you don't want to read about 3DTT here? Hmm...
You called this NG boring. Doesn't it become even more boring if I leave?

Please Peter, don't leave. It would become boring, as I am afraid that at
the moment there is nothing else about TT here. Maybe we could just clean
out this group, and use it for 3DTT only. It would save everyone the job of
moaning about their server not carrying the group.

Eddie
-- http://www.ebernard.greatxscape.net

[Peter J. Dobrovka]

Eddie Bernard schrieb in Nachricht <84toms$u3...@news7.svr.pol.co.uk>...

Peter J. Dobrovka <dobro...@t-online.de> wrote
So you don't want to read about 3DTT here? Hmm...
You called this NG boring. Doesn't it become even more boring if I leave?

Please Peter, don't leave. It would become boring, as I am afraid that at
the moment there is nothing else about TT here. Maybe we could just clean
out this group, and use it for 3DTT only. It would save everyone the job of
moaning about their server not carrying the group.

Oh, thanks, too much of honor, hehe.
At this moment I have no intention to leave, but I am a bit surprised about
Paul, who is translating the 3DTT sites to English for me and at the same
time is wishing me away from here...
Or did I misunderstand something? My English is not so good as it might seem
sometimes. Writing and reading here is hard work for me.

Peter
--
Die 3. Dimension der Strategiespiele:
http://www.digitalprojects.com/way-x

[Eddie Bernard]

Peter J. Dobrovka <dobro...@t-online.de> wrote

Eddie Bernard schrieb in Nachricht

Please Peter, don't leave. It would become boring, as I am afraid that at
the moment there is nothing else about TT here. Maybe we could just clean
out this group, and use it for 3DTT only. It would save everyone the job
of
moaning about their server not carrying the group.

Oh, thanks, too much of honor, hehe.
At this moment I have no intention to leave, but I am a bit surprised
about
Paul, who is translating the 3DTT sites to English for me and at the same
time is wishing me away from here...
Or did I misunderstand something? My English is not so good as it might
seem
sometimes. Writing and reading here is hard work for me.

I'm glad you don't want to leave. As for Paul, only he can answer that. I
don't think he is wanting to get rid of you, but I think he simply doesn't
believe that this is the place for 3DTT discussion. I'm sure he has nothing
against the game.

Eddie
-- http://www.ebernard.greatxscape.net

[Trikklennium]

Paul Wright <ask...@for.it> wrote in message
news:s71mvvkq5k232@corp.supernews.com...

i did, titled "boring"

Hmm...Wasn't much of a 'breaking story' was it?

You should try putting more body into it.....Maybe even call for others
interjetions (God I hope I spelt that right!!!)

E-Mail: Ask me for it

Cane I have 3 with extra chips and a buttered muffin?
Ta.....
--
Rick McGreal
Life is a bunch of Roses...Complete with thorns.
tri...@transport-tycoon.co.uk
http://www.transport-tycoon.co.uk

[Trikklennium]

Paul Wright <ask...@for.it> wrote in message
news:s71n3etj5k215@corp.supernews.com...

you *cannot* destroy or rename NG's it's impossible, and if you made a new
one, ppl would still come here

Then what happenes to old NGs that have no traffic? Can they be removed or
what........B-/


--
Rick McGreal
Life is a bunch of Roses...Complete with thorns.
tri...@transport-tycoon.co.uk
http://www.transport-tycoon.co.uk

[Mike Wagstaff]

TT is the subject of this NG, so you f*** can talk about it, 3dtt IS NOT
teh subject of the newsgroup so e-mail is better, simple

So should all off-topic posts be banned as well? Whatever
happened to freedom of speech?!

All the discussion has shown that it would be a bad idea to
move 3DTT talk to a new group just yet. If, however, reading
3DTT messages really bothers you, why not politely request
that everyone mark such messages with a [3DTT] prefix (as
they already do with [OT] ones)?

-Mike [http://games.hplx.net]

[Paul Wright]

ususally supp...@isp.whatever will sort you owt, if they wont, there s***,
well thats what bti do anyho

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Rémi Denis <rden...@pop3.multi1mania2.com> wrote in message
news:%yqc4.248$Uh3.1506450@nnrp2.proxad.net...
: Peter J. Dobrovka <dobro...@t-online.de> a écrit dans le message :
: 84ph60$eo...@news04.btx.dtag.de...
: > As I said, I would love and be proud to have an own NG, but I doubt its
: > benefits. In part by technical aspect, in part by non-technical.
: > We could try to do one thing: You could set up a 3DTT-NG and as long as
it
: > is not available we do cross-posting. Enhances traffic in the 3DTT-NG
(to
: > force providers to carry it) without loosing messages. But it don't know
: > when does the time come we could stop the crossposting.
:
: Yes, but does someone know how we are supposed to ask our ISPs so as they
: carry it?
:
: > MY humble idea would be to rename this newsgroup and kill out microprose
: and
: > tyc, so it is called only alt.games.transport. Or to setup a new one
with
: > this name. I don't think it makes too much sense to create a NG for a
: single
: > game, there are too many cross-references, and 3DTT is not the last one
of
: > this type, I think.
:
: No, I don't think that creating this might be a good idea:
: I personnaly wouldn't like to download posts about R.R.T. 2 or another
: transport simulation game I don't know, and I think I am not the only one.
:
: About killing/renaming, read Paul's reply.
: --
: Rémi
: >
: > Peter
:
:
:
:

[Paul Wright]

it'll be about all aspects of the game, technical, multiplayer, stuff like
that, thats what most games groups are

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Paul Wright
ICQ UIN: 38986089
E-Mail: Ask me for it
___________________________________________________________________

Eddie Bernard <e...@ttworld.the-whale.com> wrote in message
news:84r5tj$udr$1@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk...
: Stephen Down <ste...@sjd117.free$haft.co.uk> wrote
: > Please don't go!
: >
: > Eddie, you are talking bollocks.
:
: Thanks very much.
:
: > There is a lot of technical discussion here regarding sound cards, link
: > play and all sorts of things in TT that neither I nor lots of other
: > people here want to read. Inevitably there will also be some technical
: > aspects to 3DTT that come up for discussion. Yes, maybe sometimes they
: > should be confined to email, but no more so than for many other threads
: > that appear here.
:
: The fact still remains that this is not Transport Tycoon. Yes, it is a
: sequel, but technical discussion of a *different* game is not exactly what
: this group is for. Don't even ask me what this group is for! The original
: control message didn't include a charter or justification of its creation!
: Although with a name like Transport Tycoon, it is hard not to know what it
: is
:
: > Peter, you are a very welcome guest. You are trying to grant us all our
: > wishes in your new game, and we love to hear of its progress regularly.
: > I'm sure many people here wouldn't bother, or wouldn't be able to,
: > subscribe to a newsgroup that relates exclusively to 3DTT, but still
: > make constructive suggestions on this NG. Stay with us!
:
: Stephen, I have not asked, nor do I want Peter to leave, as I mentioned in
: my reply to Peter's post. I agree, I enjoy the 3DTT discussion, and take
: part in it, and I do like to know what is going on. I certainly would not
: have known anything about 3DTT if I had never been on this NG.
:
:
:
:

[Paul Wright]

i have nowt against the gme, just this isn't it NG, i do like it, and when
tt talk is quiet 3dtt talk is fine, but if it's all always 3dtt then it gets
boring, specially reading other ppls techinial problems

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Paul Wright
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E-Mail: Ask me for it
___________________________________________________________________

Eddie Bernard <e...@ttworld.the-whale.com> wrote in message
news:84u0gk$357$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk...
: Peter J. Dobrovka <dobro...@t-online.de> wrote
: >
: > Eddie Bernard schrieb in Nachricht
:
: > >Please Peter, don't leave. It would become boring, as I am afraid that
at
: > >the moment there is nothing else about TT here. Maybe we could just
clean
: > >out this group, and use it for 3DTT only. It would save everyone the
job
: of
: > >moaning about their server not carrying the group.
: >
: > Oh, thanks, too much of honor, hehe.
: > At this moment I have no intention to leave, but I am a bit surprised
: about
: > Paul, who is translating the 3DTT sites to English for me and at the
same
: > time is wishing me away from here...
: > Or did I misunderstand something? My English is not so good as it might
: seem
: > sometimes. Writing and reading here is hard work for me.
:
: I'm glad you don't want to leave. As for Paul, only he can answer that. I
: don't think he is wanting to get rid of you, but I think he simply doesn't
: believe that this is the place for 3DTT discussion. I'm sure he has
nothing
: against the game.
:
: Eddie
: -- http://www.ebernard.greatxscape.net
:
:
:

[Paul Wright]

did i say you had to go peter, no i'm just saying it IS a tt ng

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Peter J. Dobrovka <dobro...@t-online.de> wrote in message
news:84th9d$5sm$1@news04.btx.dtag.de...
:
: Paul Wright schrieb in Nachricht ...
: >but theres adifference, and iw were gonna swear, so will i!
: >
: >TT is the subject of this NG, so you f*** can talk about it, 3dtt IS
NOT
: >teh subject of the newsgroup so e-mail is better, simple
:
:
: So you don't want to read about 3DTT here? Hmm...
: You called this NG boring. Doesn't it become even more boring if I leave?
:
: Peter
: --
: Die 3. Dimension der Strategiespiele:
: http://www.digitalprojects.com/way-x
:
:

[Vernon Moorhouse]

In article <8500tj$9m...@gxsn.com>, Trikklennium <trikky@transport-
tycoon.co.uk> writes

Then what happenes to old NGs that have no traffic? Can they be removed or
what........B-/

Not sure. The alt.microprose.railroad.tyc group is virtually dead - gets

about 10 posts a week. Even the spam has dried up over there. I guess
there are enough 3rd party message boards regarding RRT2 (such as
Waterloo station) to keep people off usenet.

IMHO it *should* be possible to re-name or remove a NG which no longer
receives traffic or has evolved into something else. As posted elsewhere
on this thread maybe there is a need for an alt.games.strategy.transport
NG? How do we propose this?
--
Vernon Moorhouse

Web site at http://www.moorhouse0.demon.co.uk/homepage.htm

[Phillip Michael Jordan]

Trikklennium <tri...@transport-tycoon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:8500tj$9mk$8@gxsn.com...

Paul Wright <ask...@for.it> wrote in message
news:s71n3etj5k215@corp.supernews.com...
you *cannot* destroy or rename NG's it's impossible, and if you made a
new
one, ppl would still come here

Then what happenes to old NGs that have no traffic? Can they be removed or
what........B-/

Hmm a new option to become invincible... become a newsgroup! 8-/

Phillip

[Phillip Michael Jordan]

Paul Wright <ask...@for.it> wrote in message
news:s773bp5vhu8152@corp.supernews.com...

it'll be about all aspects of the game, technical, multiplayer, stuff like
that, thats what most games groups are

--
____________________________________________________________________

Paul Wright
ICQ UIN: 38986089
E-Mail: Ask me for it
___________________________________________________________________

Eddie Bernard <e...@ttworld.the-whale.com> wrote in message
news:84r5tj$udr$1@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk...
: Stephen Down <ste...@sjd117.free$haft.co.uk> wrote
: > Please don't go!
:
: > Eddie, you are talking bollocks.
:
: Thanks very much.
:
: > There is a lot of technical discussion here regarding sound cards,
link
: > play and all sorts of things in TT that neither I nor lots of other
: > people here want to read. Inevitably there will also be some technical
: > aspects to 3DTT that come up for discussion. Yes, maybe sometimes they
: > should be confined to email, but no more so than for many other
threads
: > that appear here.
:
: The fact still remains that this is not Transport Tycoon. Yes, it is a
: sequel, but technical discussion of a *different* game is not exactly
what
: this group is for. Don't even ask me what this group is for! The
original
: control message didn't include a charter or justification of its
creation!
: Although with a name like Transport Tycoon, it is hard not to know what
it
: is
:
: > Peter, you are a very welcome guest. You are trying to grant us all
our
: > wishes in your new game, and we love to hear of its progress
regularly.
: > I'm sure many people here wouldn't bother, or wouldn't be able to,
: > subscribe to a newsgroup that relates exclusively to 3DTT, but still
: > make constructive suggestions on this NG. Stay with us!
:
: Stephen, I have not asked, nor do I want Peter to leave, as I mentioned
in
: my reply to Peter's post. I agree, I enjoy the 3DTT discussion, and take
: part in it, and I do like to know what is going on. I certainly would
not
: have known anything about 3DTT if I had never been on this NG.
:
:
:
:

*gnarks*

Could you PLEASE indent the original message with > not : ???
That would be real great!
And anoter thing: please try to reply at the bottom, it saves lots of
unnecessary scrolling

Thanks
Phillip