Copyrights

[Raichase]

I read this topic, and all I see are some very childish attitudes. I would have expected a lot more from ALL of you.

To make some comments about the discussion itself, rather than the topic of which:

GoneWacko - I really respect you, but the attitude you are displaying is childish.
Michael - I am glad you have come here to express your opinion, but I think it may be waving a red flag at a bull.
DaleStan - I would have expected more from you
Krtaylor - I am pleased to see you have kept your head at least, and not resorted to petty insults.
Zimmlock - Ditto.
Chris - Well, I should have expected such an attitude.
Spiff - I agree with you here.

As I have already said, I would have expected a lot more than petty arguing over the whole thing. I wasn't amused by the whole kafuffle in the Locomotion forums a while back, and now you lot are all bickering over something that, whilst important, *DOES NOT WARRANT PERSONAL ATTACKS*.

Grow up, all of you.

*Edit* Finally, I expect to be attacked over such a comment - it is certainly not below some of you to attack a fellow forum member, but remember this. I am Michaels friend, just like I consider a lot of the people here friends. This is why I don't want to see personal attacks being made. I would discourage any comments made about me choosing sides based on personal bias. It would be beating a dead horse, more than has already been done here.

[Korenn]

http://www.ttdpatch.de/permutation.html

That page is absolute garbage. I'm sure it's mathematically sound, but it has no merit on the artistic level whatsoever, so it does not solve the problem stated at the top.

[ChrisCF]

I read this topic, and all I see are some very childish attitudes. I would have expected a lot more from ALL of you.

I notice you are avoiding the discussion, choosing instead to simply brand sensible and well-expressed ideas you don't agree with as childish, and then claiming that such personal attacks are out of line. Hypocrisy is very unbecoming of a moderator.

Tell me, is it childish to insist that people should earn respect rather than demand it? Is it childish to be concerned when someone who doesn't have a clue threatens to take down the entire community with baseless legal threats? Is it childish to suggest that people don't place obstacles in each other's way?

GoneWacko - I really respect you, but the attitude you are displaying is childish.
DaleStan - I would have expected more from you
Krtaylor - I am pleased to see you have kept your head at least, and not resorted to petty insults.
Zimmlock - Ditto.
Chris - Well, I should have expected such an attitude.

With all due respect, I consider a number of these statements to be defamatory, and possibly even libellous. Please either explain yourself, or retract and apologise.

*DOES NOT WARRANT PERSONAL ATTACKS*.

Says Mr. "I expected more from you lot"

Grow up, all of you.

"He who seeks to change the world should first seek change from within."

it is certainly not below some of you to attack a fellow forum member,

I would like to know why you are labelling well-reasoned arguments (which in most cases happen to be true) as petty squabbling and personal attacks, and then answering with nothing better than "Michael's my friend, and you meanies said nasty things about him"? Again, hypocrisy isn't a good quality for a moderator.

http://www.ttdpatch.de/permutation.html

That page is absolute garbage. I'm sure it's mathematically sound, but it has no merit on the artistic level whatsoever, so it does not solve the problem stated at the top.

Unfortunately, as you may have seen, it's been said a few times already, and yet he still insists that it proves his point. I'm beginning to wonder about whether it's worth arguing Michael, especially since it's becoming increasingly clear he doesn't have a clue. Classic symptoms of Type 2 Carlin Syndrome. Case-in-point (emphasis added):

So, this is always a complex situation. E.g., already a long time ago Hyronymus asked me for permission to include the ICE-3 from the DB set into the NS Set. But o/c this would be infeasible if the NS set would be released under the GPL. O/c I could put the ICE-3 under the GPL as well for the sake of the NS set, but some time later there would be the next request and in the end I needed no copyright anymore. [1]

O/c, now you could ask (again) why I do need a copyright at all? I need it due to my way of working which is totally different from your joint effort. Vice versa, your joint development couldn´t be handled by sort of copyright I need.

[Zimmlock]

Lets all go back to the drawing boards and delete this topic before accidents happen

[Hyronymus]

Let's combine:
- MB has his copyrights and the also has the right to permit somebody to use his work, even with proper crediting.
- I did violate these copyrights, but only accidentally and respect MB's copyrights, even if he doesn't believe.
- MB's scientific calculations are correct, but do not apply (as George did show us), because we're not just filling the whole sprite with every colour of the palette.
- MB should simply ask the person who used his artwork to remove it, and I'm sure it will disappear without complaining

Everybody agrees to that and now it's over.
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ChrisCF, did you read this on page #4?

[DaleStan]

DaleStan - I would have expected more from you

Yeah. I know better. I should have just ranted in the privacy of my own room, and then gone on my way.
Unfortunately, every now and then I luse. Sometimes I luse more violently than other times.

Type 2 Carlin Syndrome

Care to elaborate? google://Type 2 Carlin Syndrome doesn't provide any results that look useful.

I now officially agree with Spiff and Zimmlock. The OP may have been well-intentioned, but the thread has degenerated beyond repair.

[Raichase]

I read this topic, and all I see are some very childish attitudes. I would have expected a lot more from ALL of you.

I notice you are avoiding the discussion, choosing instead to simply brand sensible and well-expressed ideas you don't agree with as childish, and then claiming that such personal attacks are out of line. Hypocrisy is very unbecoming of a moderator.

Oh, I'm sorry. I thought that personal attacks (that you seem to think are warranted), and blatant one-sided attitudes were unbecoming to a moderator too? All I seem to read coming from you these days are little snide remarks are arguments. However sound your arguments may be, you remain blind to the other side of the argument, which is also not a good sign for a moderator.

Tell me, is it childish to insist that people should earn respect rather than demand it? Is it childish to be concerned when someone who doesn't have a clue threatens to take down the entire community with baseless legal threats? Is it childish to suggest that people don't place obstacles in each other's way?

No. I don't think that it is childish at all. In fact, I would suggest you begin by earning the respect of the others here. Michael has earned my respect, because he is a friendly chap who has contributed a great deal to the community. You seem to want to suggest that unless he plays by *your* rules, he should take his ball and leave the playground.

GoneWacko - I really respect you, but the attitude you are displaying is childish.
DaleStan - I would have expected more from you
Krtaylor - I am pleased to see you have kept your head at least, and not resorted to petty insults.
Zimmlock - Ditto.
Chris - Well, I should have expected such an attitude.

With all due respect, I consider a number of these statements to be defamatory, and possibly even libellous. Please either explain yourself, or retract and apologise.[/quote]

Oh, I'm sorry that I was expressing my opinion. I made some general observations, and thats not a good thing, but you can hurl insults around like I do friendly comments... And I'm the hypocrit. Hmm, sorry there.

Allow me to explain, although I don't think you deserve it, most of the folks up there are my friends, so I will do them the couteousy.

GoneWacko - I greatly respect this bloke, he's a good guy, but his comment:

I don't give a damn about the copyright stuff that's going on, I just wanted to say that I think Michael Blunck is generalizing way too much. (I have an opinion, but I already know Michael won't be listening to it because we're all bad people to him and he's the authority when it comes to whining about copyrights so he must have a couple of counters ready for deployment (and with that, it becomes clear what my opinion is Rolling Eyes ))

You constantly say "I'm sure it will happen on these forums again" with a tone I dislike. It strikes me as "This forum sucks, you guys are always causing trouble". Also, you make it sound as though the entire forum is filled with people that violate copyrights. As if the people on the TTDPatch mailing list, something you DO like, are all 100% fair and innocent.

Struck me as kind of out of character that he would make comments such as "I would give me opinion, but Michael won't read it... blah blah blah", thus generalisng immediately. This struck me as odd, because his post was saying that Michael was generalising in the first place.

I have always seen DaleStan as a balancing force, as he doesn't just hand out insults, his arguments are always well constructed, and... well, he just seems to be barking up the right tree. I was surprised to read his comments here.

*Actually, after reading his comment above, I *do* apologise to him*. Sorry DaleStan.

As to yourself Chris... Well, I won't insult your person, as I know nothing of you personally. I will say that you are out of line on a number of occasions, and it is really starting to annoy me.

I have seen you, a moderator, blatently break forum rules, hand out petty insults, and have a very biased approach to the whole general copyright discussion. You will notice that I have not picked sides, although you have clearly picked one for me. You attack my moderation skills, but I do not go out of line, I do not insult or attack, and I strongly believe that I am not biased in anyway on this discussion. I see friends arguing with friends, and that just annoys me.

You say that Michael will tear the community apart, by his actions, but as Saskia said, all was well when the problem was fixed. George has (I believe) good intentions when he started this topic, but as always you had a clear intention to use this recent oppertunity as yet another excuse to jump on your soapbox and broadcast your propaganda. Yes, thats what it is, propaganda. The *one sided* viewpoint that you push exclusivly to any other argument.

I believe, that you cannot make attacks on my ability as a moderator until you prove yourself to be a capable one. You have not earned my respect with your little campaign, you have infact lost it.

*DOES NOT WARRANT PERSONAL ATTACKS*.

Says Mr. "I expected more from you lot"

Yes, I said that. I meant it. I still mean it. I see a lot of people out of character when these things roll around.

Grow up, all of you.

"He who seeks to change the world should first seek change from within."

May I apply your quote to you yourself? I wouldn't mind seeing you trying to be *balanced* in your viewpoint. I wouldn't mind you stopping the hate, by stopping your constant "Anti-Michael" approach. Stop attacking other members. Stop swearing (and yes, you should know what I am talking about here).

Then I will listen to you.

it is certainly not below some of you to attack a fellow forum member,

I would like to know why you are labelling well-reasoned arguments (which in most cases happen to be true) as petty squabbling and personal attacks, and then answering with nothing better than "Michael's my friend, and you meanies said nasty things about him"? Again, hypocrisy isn't a good quality for a moderator.

Good point. Hypocrisy isn't a good quality. Which is why I think you should re-think your place as a moderator. Look at the rules, look at those you break, and ask yourself something.

Also, thanks for reading what I wrote. As usual, you read what you wanted to read. What I said was:

I am Michaels friend, just like I consider a lot of the people here friends. This is why I don't want to see personal attacks being made.

You will notice I did not spefically request the personal attacks to stop against a certain side of the argument. I just want them to stop, as they are uncalled for and childish.

[eis_os]

As I promised that I will close a non-contructive topic.

*Closed*

If you have problems with this close, contact me directly... (And don't create an additonal topic!)

George wanted to post me that:

Well, I think the last word should be mine. The poll results seem to be the good proof for my conclusion.

• The right answer is B, first row is mine and the second is Michael's.
  25% people were wrong, 35% right, 40% were not sure.
  Graphics of the same object, made by different people looks similar
  Mathematical distance as a measure between pixels is low

So, I want to conclude, than Ken is rather right. That does not mean, that stealing is good and copyrights are bad, NO, but It means, that the only way to check the graphics origin is to ask the graphics poster about the source.
So, I call everyone upon to keep more respect to each other, because only your moral level can be used for any check.