Traffic Giant and Simutrans

Omnislash · Post by **Omnislash** » 04 Nov 2002 13:31

Where can I get Simutran? I'd like to have a look at it.

Post by **orudge** » 04 Nov 2002 15:24

I quote:

orudge wrote:Well what about Simutrans then? I've done some work on this game, it's quite good.

Note the link.

Jan · Post by **Jan** » 05 Nov 2002 15:57

I saw new version of Simutrans was announced on German forum Trainsims community 81.07 or something like that. Did anybody tried that?
Jan

Omnislash · Post by **Omnislash** » 06 Nov 2002 09:25

Thanks

Lilman424 · Post by **Lilman424** » 09 Nov 2002 19:58

Hey Owen ince you worked on it, maybe you can help me. When I start up simutrans in dos the credit scll thing and all. When I click to get rid of it, my computer freezes. Any help would be appreciated.

Post by **orudge** » 10 Nov 2002 13:15

What are the specs of your computer?

Lilman424 · Post by **Lilman424** » 11 Nov 2002 18:40

well nevermind i got it to work, i just redownloaded it.

CasB · Post by **CasB** » 03 Jan 2003 20:46

I think TG is a really weird game, couse it is very difficult to make money, even if you have a well made rout for some buses

well...had the game from the library, will play it again sometimes, maybe i will understand the game now...

Mati · Post by **Mati** » 04 Jan 2003 18:26

I tried Industry Giant 2, and it really is a copy of RailRoad Tycoon 2. Trains overlap themselves

. Overall, it's bad.

Jan · Post by **Jan** » 04 Jan 2003 21:09

If they add the tunels, bridges and signals as promised on their site, it "maybe" start to be interesting. In this stage is hard to recomend to anybody.

Hajo · Post by **Hajo** » 17 Jan 2003 14:48

spaceman-spiff wrote:
Jan wrote:And the autor was claiming on German forum, that his game is already better then TTDLX!? Pch.
in dutch we have a saying: 'hoogmoed komt voor de val'
i dunno the correct english for this, but such claims are rubbish
it's like saying duke3d is better than doom or unreal is better than half-life
all games have their own good/bad things and for some reason people like one game better than another
(ps. Pch means patch i hope)

I said Simutrans is better in _some_ aspects. I never claimed that it is better than TTD in general. If you don't like Simutrans, that's ok, but please stay fair and don't tell lies.

Also Simutrans isn't finished yet, and it is a hobby project. Somehow I think it is very unfair to compare an unfinished hoppy project to one of the best commercial transport sims that ever have been made. Simutrans is free - what do you expect getting for free? If you have suggestions how to improve Simutrans, feel free to tell me, but telling bad stories about me behind my back isn't nice

c.u.
Hajo

PS: Improvemts:

Simutrans passengers have destinations. They change transport modes up to 30 times to reach their destination. Overall this leads to a very nice and realistic behaviour of passenger service.

Simutrans offers full screen modes up to 1280x1024 and windowed modes of any size, starting at 656x400.

Simutrans offers maps from 128x128 up to 576x576 sqaures.

Simutrans allows an unlimited number of vehicles (unpatched TTD is very limited here).

Simutrans allows to have stations of any size and shape.

Simutrans has categorized goods, so that waggons (vehicles) for bulk and piece good transfer are rather multi-purpose transport vehicles. This allows some nice flexibility in their usage.

Most of the time Simutrans was user-expandable, even in regards of new goods and industries. The current series of experimental versions is a bit limited in this, but we try to get a full user-configuration interface soon.

In comparison to unpatched TTD having multiheaded trains of up to 16 waggons is an improvement. Also having electrified track is an improvement.

Simutrans AI IMO builds better routes but YMMV of course. Anyways in Simutrans you can turn the AI off completely if you don't like it.

Simutrans has private cars (traffic) and pedestrians (can also be turned off if you don't like them).

Simutrans has platform precise schedules.

Simutrans has bus stations on raodside, no need to bulldoze houeses in tight city areas to build bus stations.

In Simutrans bridges might cross nearly anything including other bridges - it's handy to build bridges over factories and city areas IMO.

I think I might well say that Simutrans is better than TTD in _some_ aspects. Of course YMMV and I know there are enough things that do not work well yet, but we're still working to improve Simutrans. If oyu have complaintrs, just tell me. If you have suggestions you're always welcome.

PPS: I'll not be online over the weekend so I'll most likely not be able to continue discussion here until next week

gryvix · Post by **gryvix** » 17 Jan 2003 15:29

/me hides from Hajo

Hajo · Post by **Hajo** » 17 Jan 2003 15:58

Jan wrote:I did play Simutrans just yesterday.

[snip]

Example: forest station had always around 350 pc of wood. When the AI start from the same forest, I got 0 and he got over 1000!

[snip]

Jan

1000 units is the limit. Once your competitors station is beyond 1000 units you get all that is produced.

Below 1000 it's fair distribution (equal share for all stations).

If you got noting, maybe you didn't service a consumer that had a contract with the producer?

If they had a contract and you got nothing you discovered a bug. In such cases the most successful method to get the problem fixed is teling me or one of the other development team members

c.u.
Hajo

Hajo · Post by **Hajo** » 17 Jan 2003 16:20

gryvix wrote:/me hides from Hajo

Why hide? I don't bite

c.u.
Hajo

spaceman-spiff · Post by **spaceman-spiff** » 18 Jan 2003 06:52

Hi Hajo and welcome,

Hajo wrote:I said Simutrans is better in _some_ aspects. I never claimed that it is better than TTD in general. If you don't like Simutrans, that's ok, but please stay fair and don't tell lies.

I lied

Just said each game has its good and bad things
Jan said the author was saying that his game was better on his site, i didn't read it personaly
So i'm sorry if you didn't say that

But I didn't lie

Hajo wrote:Also Simutrans isn't finished yet, and it is a hobby project.

Great work then if it's just a hobby

Hajo wrote:Somehow I think it is very unfair to compare an unfinished hoppy project to one of the best commercial transport sims that ever have been made.

Indeed and i didn't compare them

Hajo wrote:Simutrans is free - what do you expect getting for free? If you have suggestions how to improve Simutrans, feel free to tell me, but telling bad stories about me behind my back isn't nice

I have no suggestions and i don't even know your game, sorry for that
If you think i was telling bad stories behind your back then you are wrong
I just said each game has good and bad things, so in a way i said your game must have better things too
I think you misunderstood what i was trying to say

gryvix · Post by **gryvix** » 18 Jan 2003 09:01

So Hajo u don't know me, aye? that's good...

I should try Simutrans again and see if it had been improving since a few months ago...

Hajo · Post by **Hajo** » 18 Jan 2003 11:15

spaceman-spiff wrote:Hi Hajo and welcome,

Hajo wrote:I said Simutrans is better in _some_ aspects. I never claimed that it is better than TTD in general. If you don't like Simutrans, that's ok, but please stay fair and don't tell lies.
I lied
Just said each game has its good and bad things
Jan said the author was saying that his game was better on his site, i didn't read it personaly
So i'm sorry if you didn't say that
But I didn't lie

I meant Jan, who posted the original message. He accused me of claims that I didn't mke. And you answered with 'hoogmoed komt voor de val' without knowing my original message nor my project. That just made me angry.

Please if someone accuses a person that you don't know of something you didn't check, don't just join whacking that person. IMO that's no good style.

c.u.
Hajo

Hajo · Post by **Hajo** » 18 Jan 2003 11:19

gryvix wrote:So Hajo u don't know me, aye? that's good...

I should try Simutrans again and see if it had been improving since a few months ago...

I know that you're a member of the mailing list (at least you had been a member of the mailing list) and there is a poll that you created but never closed. But there are so many people on the mailing list, I don't remember any details.
c.u.
Hajo

G-Klav · Post by **G-Klav** » 18 Jan 2003 11:55

Hajo, I have tried your game and I too think that Simutrans is better than TTD in some aspects. The AI, for example.

I have also tried to translate it to Swedish. But, to get my translation to work, I have to replace it with for example the Spanish one. (Rename it to es.tab).
Do you know any way to get around this?

spaceman-spiff · Post by **spaceman-spiff** » 19 Jan 2003 02:09

Hajo wrote:I meant Jan, who posted the original message. He accused me of claims that I didn't mke. And you answered with 'hoogmoed komt voor de val' without knowing my original message nor my project. That just made me angry.

I can understand that that makes you angry, i just believed Jan because he comes here often and i figured he was telling the truth
You can't expect me to go around and checking everybody's claims
It would take me hours

Hajo wrote:Please if someone accuses a person that you don't know of something you didn't check, don't just join whacking that person. IMO that's no good style.

But i think you're exagerating a bit, "whacking that person"
Anyway, sorry if you mis-understood my intention
Perhaps a talk eye to eye could clear this up
I never have the intention of whacking somebody, that's not my style and i would hate our relation to start on the wrong foot

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