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lucaspiller · Post by **lucaspiller** » 03 Jul 2004 10:29

If you extract them from whatever file they are stored in.

NoMercy · Post by **NoMercy** » 03 Jul 2004 15:35

What wrong with the excellent ingame music? They're one of the best midi tunes I've ever heard.

lucaspiller · Post by **lucaspiller** » 03 Jul 2004 15:51

I bet they are on of the only midi tunes you have heard.

I get your point though, there is no point changing something if there is nothing wrong with it.

Alltaken · Post by **Alltaken** » 03 Jul 2004 17:24

dunno if this has been said already, i am soooo lazy right now, i just wanna downlaod the latest ottd an get playing.

but winamp 5.03 (infact even old versions)

are built in with "global hotkeys" available.

hence when playing ottd just press

ctrl+alt+home (to pause/play)
ctrl+alt+page down (for next song)

the list of shortcuts goes on, it is very very easy to do, and i often watch movies on my tv without my main monitor or any interfaces every being open.

i am also a member of the winamp forums LOL, so i may be biased

Alltaken

MYOB · Post by **MYOB** » 03 Jul 2004 21:38

Argh, MP3 playback does not take only "a little CPU" - if you've not got MMX or haven't optomised for MMX at compile time, it takes anywhere between 90 to 120Mhz. The same goes for PowerPC machines without Altivec, SPARC machines without whatever-the-hell-their-SIMD-is-called.

When you consider the development machine for the BeOS/PPC port of OTTD is a 180Mhz system with no cache and no Altivec, MP3 would make the game unusable

And Ogg Vorbis is worse, uses far more power. And doesn't like big endian systems IIRC.

ChrisCF · Post by **ChrisCF** » 04 Jul 2004 00:35

lucaspiller wrote:There isn't really much point in using .wav sounds as they eat up space a bit too much.

What's your point? In-game sounds are typically about 10kB each. Is that too much? Try compressing that with an mp3 encoder, and realise that the extra processing time of decoding them is not worth tiny gains in filesize or stupid loss in quality you get..

tmesisbob · Post by **tmesisbob** » 04 Jul 2004 11:42

Ermm... I am happily playing mp3's on my P90 as I speak. It's not consuming the whole cpu either.

dominik81 · Post by **dominik81** » 04 Jul 2004 12:59

It depends on how they are encoded, too. I've had problems with certain mp3s on my old 700 MHz machine.

lucaspiller · Post by **lucaspiller** » 04 Jul 2004 13:05

ChrisCF wrote:What's your point? In-game sounds are typically about 10kB each. Is that too much? Try compressing that with an mp3 encoder, and realise that the extra processing time of decoding them is not worth tiny gains in filesize or stupid loss in quality you get..

I meant if more in-game music was added.

ChrisCF · Post by **ChrisCF** » 04 Jul 2004 18:21

Then you need to learn the skills of saying what you mean and meaning what you say.

lucaspiller · Post by **lucaspiller** » 04 Jul 2004 18:43

I think I must have been watching the Teletubies too much (are they still on?).

ChrisCF · Post by **ChrisCF** » 04 Jul 2004 19:31

Of course not. It's 8:30pm - the Teletubbies marathon on CBeebies finished at 7

lucaspiller · Post by **lucaspiller** » 04 Jul 2004 19:33

Awww? That was today. I missed it.

Bjarni · Post by **Bjarni** » 05 Jul 2004 23:56

MYOB wrote:And Ogg Vorbis is worse, uses far more power. And doesn't like big endian systems IIRC.

???
ogg works fine for me, at least decoding and playing

and to the question

what's wrong with the current ingame music

It can be said in one word: copyright

about file size for sound. If we make a lot of small files, there is no point in compressing them, because blocksize on the HD would kill that saved space

MYOB · Post by **MYOB** » 06 Jul 2004 00:00

Bjarni wrote:
MYOB wrote:And Ogg Vorbis is worse, uses far more power. And doesn't like big endian systems IIRC.
???
ogg works fine for me, at least decoding and playing

hrrrm.. change that to "Doesn't like Big Endian when using a Metrowerks-made C compiler" then...

about file size for sound. If we make a lot of small files, there is no point in compressing them, because blocksize on the HD would kill that saved space

And the addition of the mp3 headers would make the files bigger, and with really short sequences, we'd be getting no further in reducing space than the sample.cat

Alltaken · Post by **Alltaken** » 06 Jul 2004 02:29

FLAC is the best of them all LOL

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NoMercy · Post by **NoMercy** » 06 Jul 2004 15:32

Bjarni wrote:
what's wrong with the current ingame music
It can be said in one word: copyright

If you can copy the graphics you can also copy the music, because you would own TTD.

MYOB · Post by **MYOB** » 06 Jul 2004 17:23

NoMercy wrote:
Bjarni wrote:
what's wrong with the current ingame music
It can be said in one word: copyright
If you can copy the graphics you can also copy the music, because you would own TTD.

He might be refering to the fact that the current in game sound file format is properitary

So, in theory are the graphics, but the graphics are just PCX internally

NoMercy · Post by **NoMercy** » 07 Jul 2004 14:18

The TTD sound format is just midi. I don't see what's properitary about that.

Anyway, I think using an external mp3 player is best. Why bother to write an internal mp3 player, when external players will be better anyway. It's better to spend the time on other features.

MYOB · Post by **MYOB** » 07 Jul 2004 16:14

NoMercy wrote:The TTD sound format is just midi. I don't see what's properitary about that.

Anyway, I think using an external mp3 player is best. Why bother to write an internal mp3 player, when external players will be better anyway. It's better to spend the time on other features.

The Music format is MIDI, the Sound format is not, did you think we'd managed to put a *full* softsynth *and* a complete set of patches (MIDI patches, used for marking what signals make what noise) in 900KB of code?

This explains the reason why theres sound and music drivers as different things, and why OS's without native MIDI kits (MorphOS, MacOS, Linux) either have no music or a hackjob to get music

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