"Iron Horse" - A modular train set based slightly in reality

[Kevo00]

One suggestion might be to up the passenger capacities slightly...40/coach seems a bit low for volumes in the 1990s.

Town passenger over-production bug might be fixed in OpenTTD 1.9.0. I'll see how that works out in test games before I adjust any capacity in Iron Horse

Fair dos...at least it isn't as low as UKRS's measly 35/coach! I know a Mk4 can seat about 75, would certainly agree that earlier 40 might be about right (mk1s and mk2s did not have airline seats to my knowledge).

Or introduce double decker coaches, DMU, and EMUs.

Well, there was this oddity! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SR_Class_4DD

[Gwyd]

...which got withdrawn due to a number of issues, including poor comfort (fast cargo aging) and slow loading times.

[andythenorth]

FWIW, the default pax capacity was previously higher

I nerfed it down recently in https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ir ... 1b5a92b021

The rationale is that without the nerf, the luxury pax cars make less money than the standard pax cars on all routes. Lux are supposed to make more money over long distances than standard.

That might not be a good reason though. Possibly the lux pax car concept is flawed

[Comm Cody]

FWIW, the default pax capacity was previously higher

I nerfed it down recently in https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ir ... 1b5a92b021

The rationale is that without the nerf, the luxury pax cars make less money than the standard pax cars on all routes. Lux are supposed to make more money over long distances than standard.

That might not be a good reason though. Possibly the lux pax car concept is flawed

or just use metro if you need more pax capacity, and enjoy your slow 65mph ride.

Still can't get the metro to make money at all, probably using it in a wrong setting.

as for luxury car vs standard coach, how long of a distance is it before you notice the drop off, 64 tiles or somewhat there?

[andythenorth]

as for luxury car vs standard coach, how long of a distance is it before you notice the drop off, 64 tiles or somewhat there?

Around 64 yes.

Metro prints money for me, not sure what to say

[acs121]

Y'see, every big company has a deficitary train, that's why most of us don't even reach Tycoon rank.

[Kevo00]

I don't know if your Metro problem could be a cargodist distortion - do you have very fast trains connecting with it?

I guess the luxury carriage tradeoff is a complex one, I do like the idea - I think the SBB set works a similar thing with Wagons Lits carriages etc. Maybe the lux cars need more capacity too?

[PikkaBird]

I split the discussion about RIS Railtypes off here.

[andythenorth]

Iron Horse 2.0.0 Alpha 8 now on Bananases

Changes from 2.0.0 Alpha 7

• no savegame compatibility with previous 2.0.0 Alpha releases
• increased narrow gauge speeds, to better differentiate from trams in Road Hog
• added Workish (1950) and Zorro (2000) narrow gauge mail railcars
• improved Boar Cat and Pikel sprites
• added cryo tank cars
  • refit Chlorine and Oxygen
  • available from around 1930
• added narrow gauge dump cars
• changed tank car refits
  • now supports Coal Tar with dedicated livery
  • tank cars no longer refit Chlorine or Oxgyen
• added bulk cargo sprites for Limestone, Kaolin, Salt, Slag, Soda Ash, Sulphur
• tarpaulin load sprites now provided for all wagon lengths (used for all cargos that don't have dedicated sprites)
• dump / hopper cars now refit Sulphur
• extended cargo support for FIRS cargos
• fixed Helm Wind weights
• remove unwanted yellow pixels from the chassis of some 4/8 vehicles
• updated translations from web translators

[peter1138]

Offsets seem to be a bit wonky, this 0-6-0 overhangs somewhat... http://fuzzle.org/~petern/ottd/ironhorse1.png

[agentw4b]

Why doesn't https://translator.openttdcoop.org/ work? I wanted to see if something changed in the Iron Horse ...

[andythenorth]

Why doesn't https://translator.openttdcoop.org/ work?

OpenTTD Coop server crashed. Planetmaker and frosch have fixed it (thanks).

[Kevo00]

Wow, a lot of additions there!

[andythenorth]

Eh well. Question for 2.0.0 Alpha 7 testers.

Any desire for a parameter to reduce the number of wagons available?

By design, Horse lots of wagon types, and in multiple lengths.

Currently about 200 wagons, I am working on more types, probably have about 300 wagons in total for 1860-2030. There's no big rationale for this, I just like the visual variety

But would you use a parameter option for just a core set of wagons?

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Current types included

• Passenger Coach
• Luxury Passenger Coach
• Mail Van
• Express Car (like a BR GUV / CCT, or an Amtrak materials handling car)
• Open Wagon (gondola)
• Box Van (box car)
• Flat Wagon
• Hopper
• Mineral Wagon (dump car / high side gondola)
• Tank Car (general liquids / chemicals)
• Cryo Tank Car (compressed gases)
• Edibles Tank Car (milk, water etc)
• Covered Hopper (grainflow, centreflow etc)
• Livestock Van (stock car)
• Refrigerated Van (reefer car)
• Fruit & Veg Van (produce car)
• Stake Wagon (log / pipe car)
• Brake Van (caboose)

Types I am might add in future

• Silo Wagon (pressurised tanker for powders)
• Intermodal Wagon (ISO containers)
• Vehicle Transporter
• Well Wagon (depressed-center flat car)
• Coil Wagon (steel / copper coils with cover)
• Torpedo Wagon (hot pig iron / steel)
• Ladle Car (steel industry slag, hot metal)
• Curtain Roof Wagon (flat car with sliding cover)
• Palvan (full-door boxcar / thrall door car)
• Centerbeam Flat Car

Here's a picture to apologise for so many words

[rowdog]

I really like having a wide variety of cars because it adds a lot of flavor to my networks. I can see the case for just making everything intermodal but no, I wouldn't use that parameter.

[SimYouLater]

I would make everything intermodal after 2020. By "everything", I'm not including livestock or passengers or even minerals, just the stuff that can reasonably be made intermodal IRL. Globalization and the intermodal container are very closely related, and I could see a future where everything that can be gets shipped in containers.

[Alberth]

I'd use the core-set of wagons as an abstraction of the buy menu, I think.

Have 'random wagon for cargo X', and every click gives me one of the wagons for that cargo. As long as they are sane, different capacities aren't a problem to me,
For simplicty, you may want to have a tonnes / pixel capacity constant.

[Diesel Power]

Keep them all!!! That's the problem with a lot of sets, they concentrate on passenger carriages and neglect the frieght ones. I think the short wagons should have a higher capacity per length but a lower max speed and the long ones vice versa. The medium ones will be somewhere in the middle. That way the all have a use. Currantly the differing lengh is just for eye candy.

[Dave]

I find the variation of wagons one of the most endearing parts of IH.

I know you’ve previously talked about simplicity, etc. But I’m all for as much tasty pixel as you will feed me, plz.

[andythenorth]

Ok, minimal wagons parameter: "No need!" Thx.

Meanhwhile, adding habfiss (sliding wall) wagons, and tarp (curtain roof) flats. Super.

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