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Again, I've said it before, but if you want to make a high speed rail link work seamlessly for airport connections, you need to have it all integrated so you can go to your airline's web site and book a ticket from, say, Manchester HS2 Station to New York, then at the station you hand over your luggage, get given boarding passes and set off just as you would if you were checking into your flight at Manchester. Then go through security at Heathrow and straight to your next gate, without faffing around with bags and suchlike.
This is true, but then there's no point in the railway investing in the infrastructure to provide this, when factors beyond their control render it useless: Examples of this include the airline Check-in desks provided at Paddington, Victoria and Manchester (since removed in the latter 2 cases afaik); and the luggage vans on the 460s, which are also no longer in use for their original purpose of carrying pre-checked baggage. The post 9/11 heightening of airline security has caused these problems, and also made the act of travelling by air (or by other modes when you're talking internationally) more difficult and time-consuming. But then as long as issues like that exist in the world, there's going to be a fair bit of inconvenience for the ordinary person.

Of course, my main bugbear with air travel in general is that it is, and will continue to be, a luxury that the vast majority of people even in the West have little opportunity to use, yet is subsidised by tax-breaks and favourable legislation. The Airlines and their lobby groups continue to beat the drum of the overall contribution it makes to the economy, as if this means the environmental question is no longer relevant: just because the question has disappeared from the front pages, doesn't mean it's gone away! If people start using Schipol and Frankfurt rather than Heathrow for transfers, big deal: If they were able to get from Manchester to Schipol by High-Speed rail rather than a short-haul connecting flight, that'd be a better option.

p.s. Rail is also becoming a rich-person's luxury, but that's another story altogether!
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Alan Fry wrote:
Griff wrote:Since Alan 'Pendolino' Fry thinks Airlines only want to fly to London and not Birmingham, I propose Birmingham Internation be renamed 'London Birmingham Airport'
London does not need more airports, we need fewer, bigger and better ones
You have completely missed my point.

When I flew back from Prague, I went through Birmingham Airport. When I came back from Rome, I went through Manchester Airport. Why? because it was more convienient for me to do so based on where I was living. London airports are only convienient if you want to be in London. (or surrounding area)

Why would I want to travel from Birmingham to London, just to catch a plane, when you can have an airport at Birmingham?

Saying that airlines only want to fly to London is a completely ridiculous idea. It is like saying, the only airport in Russia should be Moscow, or the only airport in the USA should be JFK. 'No international airline wants to fly to the West Coast...they want to fly to the East Coast'..
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People in 'the regions' already do use Schipol because they lack flights to London - KLM fly from Leeds/Bradford, Humberside and Durham to Schipol, for instance, and offer cheaper through flights to the US compared to the train to Heathrow...

Of course, inevitably the volume of passengers from the regions is much lower because London is so much of a bigger city than any other in the UK. I think it's fascinating, however, that these airports have been invested in to improve regional competitiveness and they don't even offer a flight to London.
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Alan Fry wrote:
Griff wrote:
Alan Fry wrote:
London does not need more airports, we need fewer, bigger and better ones
You have completely missed my point.

When I flew back from Prague, I went through Birmingham Airport. When I came back from Rome, I went through Manchester Airport. Why? because it was more convienient for me to do so based on where I was living. London airports are only convienient if you want to be in London. (or surrounding area)

Why would I want to travel from Birmingham to London, just to catch a plane, when you can have an airport at Birmingham?

Saying that airlines only want to fly to London is a completely ridiculous idea. It is like saying, the only airport in Russia should be Moscow, or the only airport in the USA should be JFK. 'No international airline wants to fly to the West Coast...they want to fly to the East Coast'..
I understand what you mean, but more people do want to travel to London and airlines are know this
Hence the reason that we have rail links running from all major airports to London. Airlines can do what they want.
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Here's a thought...

Seeing as Leeds-Bradford is the UKs highest airport, why not develop that into the UKs major hub? The planes would use less fuel to reach cruising altitude, and there's plenty of space around to expand it- an extension to HS2 would put it within 90mins-2hrs of central London, and you'd only have to demolish the houses of a few LUFC players. Everyone's a winner! :lol:
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47434 wrote:Here's a thought...

Seeing as Leeds-Bradford is the UKs highest airport, why not develop that into the UKs major hub? The planes would use less fuel to reach cruising altitude, and there's plenty of space around to expand it- an extension to HS2 would put it within 90mins-2hrs of central London, and you'd only have to demolish the houses of a few LUFC players. Everyone's a winner! :lol:
But they need a longer Runway. And don't diss Leeds United, I'm not a fan, Just have friend who are.
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A321Pilot wrote:And don't diss Leeds United, I'm not a fan, Just have friend who are.
I'm a Huddersfield fan- I kind of HAVE to...
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47434 wrote:
A321Pilot wrote:And don't diss Leeds United, I'm not a fan, Just have friend who are.
I'm a Huddersfield fan- I kind of HAVE to...
Oh, In that case LEEDS, LEEDS, LEEDS!
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A321Pilot wrote:
47434 wrote:
A321Pilot wrote:And don't diss Leeds United, I'm not a fan, Just have friend who are.
I'm a Huddersfield fan- I kind of HAVE to...
Oh, In that case LEEDS, LEEDS, LEEDS!

Hey, watch you don't trip over your knuckles! :P
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47434 wrote:The planes would use less fuel to reach cruising altitude, .... :lol:
You can't beat that logic :mrgreen:
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Leeds Bradford Airport has dreadful cross-wind problems.
That, the location, and the rather lacklustre transport links don't make it especially suitable as a hub.
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JGR wrote:Leeds Bradford Airport has dreadful cross-wind problems.
Even better! Makes landing more fun.
I'm probably the only person who wants to experience a high cross-wind landing..

Anyway, I really don't think we're being serious about Leeds Bradford as a hub. I'm certainly not anyway. I just quite like the theory behind saving fuel from taking off at high altitudes :P
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Geo Ghost wrote:
JGR wrote:Leeds Bradford Airport has dreadful cross-wind problems.
Even better! Makes landing more fun.
Does for the Pilot do. They get to go into the Airport sideways and then last minute hit the Rudder Pedal and flick round to line up with the Runway. However, they are pains to control whilst doing it.
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I'm all for flying in ridiculous crosswinds. Much more exciting.

Once was flying from Exeter to Manchester, it was quite breezy but it would gust in random directions and the air was very turbulent. Takeoff was normal and we started to ascend normally, at about 500 feet it went from quite high G force going up to negative G for a couple of seconds, almost everyone onboard let out a little yelp, and then everything went back to normal. Was very funny.
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