Pikka's Basic Industries (PBI) - 1.5 6th of September 2008

[athanasios]

Once again thanks for your research. Checking the images I noticed that a specific factory produces anodes as well. Pity Wiki doesn't provide any information about this procedure on copper.
Now for the game:
Should we have only cathodes produced from a 'copper ore mill' (sorry if term is incorrect) that are transported to the 'factory' for further processing or also pipes, cables etc (just graphics or even separate products)?

[wallyweb]

Once again thanks for your research. Checking the images I noticed that a specific factory produces anodes as well. Pity Wiki doesn't provide any information about this procedure on copper.
Now for the game:
Should we have only cathodes produced from a 'copper ore mill' (sorry if term is incorrect) that are transported to the 'factory' for further processing or also pipes, cables etc (just graphics or even separate products)?

The anodes are part of the refining process and must go through another step which results in copper that is 99.9% pure - the cathodes that result from electrolysis. For TTDX I suggest cathodes be transported to the factory which in turn produces goods. I would imagine that copper products such as pipes, cables and the coper ribbon used to produce electronic circuits would be transported in box cars/vans or containers which most TTDX train sets provide for.

[DaleStan]

Copper ore should have label CORE (according to wiki), not COPR. Could you please fix it in PBI?

If you must question Pikka's choices, can you please say "Why did you do that?" instead of "Go fix it"?

[George]

Copper ore should have label CORE (according to wiki), not COPR. Could you please fix it in PBI?

If you must question Pikka's choices, can you please say "Why did you do that?" instead of "Go fix it"?

Strange to see you misunderstanding the question even when there is the right answer represented. Pikka has already answered my question and did it absolutely right.
And, I didn't say "Go ...", I wrote "Could you please ...". Can you suggest any more polite form for this question?

[PikkaBird]

Should we have only cathodes produced from a 'copper ore mill' (sorry if term is incorrect) that are transported to the 'factory' for further processing or also pipes, cables etc (just graphics or even separate products)?

Well, I've been drawing copper as pipes and cables for transport from the mill to the factory, but I may change it (or at least add some slabby-looking graphics too) after reading wallyweb's post.

I guess it depends where you imagine the basic forming happening - at the mill or at the factory?

[stevenh]

Draw them as entire locomotives... seems that's all old Australian locomotives are worth nowadays... their copper contents.

Would be nice to see a train of just dead locomotives being taken to scrap

[wallyweb]

Draw them as entire locomotives... seems that's all old Australian locomotives are worth nowadays... their copper contents.

Would be nice to see a train of just dead locomotives being taken to scrap

and ROFL too.
While we are at it, we can tie a line between a power transmission line and the last car in that train in order to get all that tempting copper wire too.

[Csaboka]

I've found a minor bug again

Callback 3D works incorrectly for food processing plants, and probably others as well. It doesn't opt out from accepting fruit even when the stockpile limit is reached. This can be exploited only if there is another FPP in the catchment of a station, but then, the FPP will accept unlimited amount of cargo.

The problem seems to be that when you check variable 18 during callback 3D, you assume it's a slot number, while in fact it's a cargo bit. You check for 04 (the slot of fruit) instead of 0D (the cargo bit of fruit). 04 never matches, so you always check the amount of maize, even when fruit is delivered. Please check your callback 3Ds and make sure they all check for cargo bit and not cargo slot.

[George]

Ok, how should it look like when being transported? Same as steel?

Pretty much. Maybe a bit oranger.

Would this be the right solution?

[PikkaBird]

Looks good George.

cargo bit and not cargo slot.

Yeah, that's what I did with copper too. I'll fix it up.

Edit: done and updated. I think that should be the only one, it's the only industry I can think of that accepts different cargos in different climates.

[belugas]

Sorry, PikkaBird, but I think i've found another bug on the Basic industry set.
I'm using both TTDPatch nightly r1587 and my own OpenTTD compilation with newindustries.
In fact, at first, i though i had a bug to fix, but after a while, i wondered if ever it was present on the Patch, too.
So the good news is that I do not have a bug. Sad news: both programs show the same behaviour

Climate subarctic, above snowline, gold mine. Use the query tool and pass it over any tiles of the mine.
The highlighted tile (white border) will disappear. According to a wise man, it could indicate a problem in the coordinates of the tiles. I'm not good enough to say anything else. From what i can tell, it is the only industry who show this behaviour.

[PikkaBird]

Climate subarctic, above snowline, gold mine. Use the query tool and pass it over any tiles of the mine.
The highlighted tile (white border) will disappear. According to a wise man, it could indicate a problem in the coordinates of the tiles. I'm not good enough to say anything else. From what i can tell, it is the only industry who show this behaviour.

Some industries and houses have the entire tile, including the ground, as the building tile, which means that it will hide the highlight. This isn't a bug as such; it's just laziness on the part of the creator.

In this case, it's laziness on the part of CS/SF as well, because some of the original non-snowy gold mine tiles are exactly the same. So are a lot of the tropic and toyland industries and houses.

[belugas]

Sorry, was not aware of that. Looks like i still have an awfull lot to learn

[m3henry]

I have an idea for the PBI factory.
currently there are three 2x2 tile sections, each using the same graphics in a factory, mabey there could be variation in each section for each cargo they accept.
so factories would have seperate sections for steel, lumber, copper, wood, paper and plastic; (depending on the climate) each with their own graphics.

[PikkaBird]

Bump.

I have implemented the limited resources idea suggested by wallyweb here. Mines and oilfields will now have randomly selected estimated resources, and will reduce production and close down when those resources are depleted.

(For those who are interested, the actual mechanism is that industries which have transported more than 80% of their estimated resources will always decrease production when they are processed by the random production changer).

The latest grfs (v1.2) can be downloaded here and here.

[Raichase]

Very cool stuff, that

[FooBar]

Very nice indeed!

One question though...
Why is production measured in tonnes and amount transported in tons?
The way I understand it, a tonne is used in the metric system and equals 1000 kg. A ton or short ton is used in the imperial system and equals about 907 kg.

[Csaboka]

The British version of TTD uses the spelling "tonnes", the American version uses "tons", but they mean the same thing in both: 1000 kilograms. It seems Pikka hasn't supplied a British version for his texts, that's why this minor inconsistency appears in the screenshot.

[PikkaBird]

Psht - nitpick.

I've changed it to tonnes for now. I suppose I should make both texts when I'm feeling less lazy.

Ah crap - some other texts have tons/tonnes in too...

There, try that.

[athanasios]

Cool stuff man!