Longest Journey Delay

[welshdragon]

They are cleared because they are of the same manufacturer of the 175's. And yes, it was the first unit to have done the full run, there was a unit a while ago that ventured up to Shrewsbury...

175s, not 175's.

Secondly, wha't the hell ar'e you on about Welshdr'agon? 170's were built by Bombard'ier, where'as 17'5s were bui'lt by Alstom. By you'r logic, Pendolino's would also be permitt'ed up to W'rexham.

blargh.

[Dave]

Pendolinos would also be permitted up to Wrexham.

They're permitted INTO Wrexham. 90, 221 and 390 are all built to the same dimensions.

[JamieLei]

Pendolinos would also be permitted up to Wrexham.

They're permitted INTO Wrexham. 90, 221 and 390 are all built to the same dimensions.

Well that shut me up...

Even regarding weight limits? The Pendos are ridiculously heavy.

[61653]

The apostrophe police strikes again!

170s can definitely go as far as Shrewsbury, I saw a few there on the epic Ormskirk-Aberystwyth journeys I made a few years back, don't know about the rest of the route though. As for claiming back if you don't use your 1st-class seat, I remember going Liverpool-Huddersfield on an advance 1st-class (£9), having made my outward journey with an standard class advance ticket costing £10. The 1st-class was downgraded at Oxford Road, and the conductor told me I could reclaim the difference in price- so I went into my wallet and offered him a quid!

[Dave]

221 axle load isn't that much better.

170s are cleared as far as Shrews, Central/LM have been using them on the Brum-Shrews since they were first built.

It's all individual basis. I bet W&S/Chiltern/DB got a clearance for the 168 to continue to Wrexham when the company first started anyway, just in case. Represents the first time they've been north of Brummagem in any case.

[orudge]

Aye, I believe you can also claim a refund if your first class accommodation isn't used, as was the case with Wrexham and Shropshire a few weeks ago when a 168 deputised for a 67 set.

The one time I was travelling first class with WSMR, the train didn't actually run from Wrexham, as some kind of a last-minute change, so I ended up having to travel with Arriva and Chiltern, obviously in standard class. My return trip was booked in standard class though, but the train manager kindly allowed me into first class with my original outbound ticket. Of course, that was a slightly different situation to the one you described.