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John wrote:
EXTspotter wrote:however as air travel demand increases these will definately increase and I am certain that within 15 years A380s with a 12 abreast economy would not be out of the ordinary.
Not without a change in regulations - you can only have a maximum of two seats between a seat and an aisle. That means for 2 aisles the maximum you can have is 11 seats (3-5-3).

Also, the amount you can squeeze in is dependant on the number of emergency exits the plane has and is certified to. The A380 is currently only certified to 853 passengers (but that isn't necessarily one class). The double deck also reduces the flexibility somewhat. You can't plan to have upstairs use the downstairs exits. So you'd have to cram your economy people in on both decks to spread them over all doors which isn't the most desirable option.

Interestingly, the easyjet A319s have an additional over wing exit (same number as the A320) as they cram so many people in.

[edit] Thirdly airbus could always recertify the A380 for more passengers (obviously they only would if there was a demand for it), by redoing the emergency escape test with a larger number of people. In order to pass the test all of the people aboard have to escape the aircraft on escape slides of which some of the slides cannot be used within 90 seconds. In the original test (which they filmed and was part of a documentary on national geographic or discovery) I believe it took just over a minute for everyone to escape.



[edit]Bizarrely, during my 3rd design project (designing a 250 seat commercial jet), we were told not to have the so called "double-excuse me seats" - i.e more then one seat between a person and the aisle. That gives a maximum of 8 across for 2 aisles (2-4-2). If they were included, we would get picked up on it as "it is not what the customers or the airlines want". This coming from an Airbus employee. Which we found odd, given just how many airlines use them...
A couple of things, Easyjet asked for the 2nd overwing in order to utilise some of the floorspace for more seats rather than more passenger space and I believe they have some part of the rear galley or a cupboard removed to add more space, in which they raised the capacity to 156 from 150. The economics behind this would be interesting to hear as of course the addition of the extra overwing doors (which are relatively heavy) and the seats add weight, as well as this there must be at least 1 flight attendant per 50 people/seats (can't quite rememeber which, however due to the way crew rostering works it means that easyjet operates all its flights with at least 4 cabin crew), hence adding those extra 6 seats does add a lot of cost, but obviously they must pay for themselves otherwise easyjet would have gone back to 150.

Secondly you could get 12 accross without having to get past more than 2 people with 2 aisles (3-6-3), even though I do agree it wouldn't be too nice.

edit - Airbus could recetify the aircraft for more seats by redoing an emergency escape test whereby all the passengers have to get out in 90 seconds, on the first one with 853 everyone got off in 71 I believe so there is a possibility they could add another hundred or more and still be comfortably within 90 seconds.
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andel wrote:The most a school bus can carry is 102 Seated. Children are not permitted to stand.
Pfft... when I were a lad, the school buses had two "benches" which could fit 5 each, no seatbelts or anything. They were replaced in 1994/5-ish with buses with "proper" seats - 9 of them, if memory serves me correctly. Also two seats in the front next to the driver, but those were not usually taken by pupils.
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1+2 in second class? With your loading gauge? You've got to be joking mate!
You can even read the number "2" above the door.
To be fair - such configurations only existed on long distance trains. And in compartment cars, 3 seats per row are used today as well. On quite a few rides I also noticed, that there were still empty seats, but the luggage racks were full. Sometimes I think the main reason for women to take a train is, that they can't afford taking their 80kg suitcase on a plane. :lol:
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Going to back to the Aircraft configuration, I was reading this today http://www.asahi.com/travel/news/TKY201106010438.html (in Japanese)

The gist of it is that Korean Air is to introduce the A380 form Incheon to Narita with 12 First Class seats, 94 Business and 301 Economy (making 407 in total). Anyone (ie: the forum's resident aviation fans) know what that seat layout is like? The article claims it's A LOT less dense than many other operators who use A380s...
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Comparing it with all current A380 operators:

- Emirates: 14 F, 76 C, 399 Y
- Singapore: 12 F, 60 C, 399 Y
- Qantas: 14 F, 72 C, 32 Prem. Y, 332 Y
- Air France: 9 F, 80 C, 449 Y
- Lufthansa: 8 F, 98 C, 420 Y

(F = First, C = Business, Y = Economy)

It would seem to be a fair bit more generous in economy class than any other airline. Either they're being very generous with legroom, or giving wider seats, or they're reserving part of the plane for some sort of other facility (a lounge/bar maybe?) and Economy will just be smaller because of that. I could have a look at the Korean Air forum on FlyerTalk I suppose, don't usually venture in there but they may well have details!

EDIT: Aha:
Korean Air will launch its first A380 service in May 2011 with the entire upper deck of the aircraft devoted to business class flyers. The configuration is designed to give business flyers “exclusivity like they’re traveling in their own private jet,” according to Senior VP-Passenger Business Division Walter Cho.

Dubbed “prestige class,” the upper deck will have 94 lie-flat sleepers with 74 in. seat pitch and “extra large” seat partitions that offer what Cho says is “normally the comfort and privacy reserved for first-class passengers on other airlines.” The aircraft will have the lowest seat count of any A380 with only 407 seats: 12 first class, 94 business class and 301 economy class seats. Seat pitch in economy will be almost 36 in.

KE has ordered 10 A380s with the first five to be delivered by the end of 2011, and an additional five by 2014. The airline will launch its A380s on shorthaul routes to Japan and East Asia in May, and then expand to KE’s US and European routes in August 2011.
36" in Economy! That's very generous by modern standards! Some videos of the delivery of the first A380 on page 3 of the FlyerTalk page.

EDIT 2: Hmm, maybe not...
The seating chart for the A380 is now up on the Korean Air site: Y is showing some seats at 33" but most at 34".
Ah well. Looks like it should be nice, anyway! Shall have to keep an eye out for some trip reports after the first flight, which I believe is currently scheduled to be the 17th.
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