NewGRF Stations: what I did when I should've been working...

bobingabout · Post by **bobingabout** » 25 Aug 2005 12:02

which code?

i don't see how curved tracks would work the same as 45degree corners.

i supose though that you are right...

as for the new graphics patch format.
why keep NFO? its horrible to learn, write, understand and debug.
a cleaner cut more english(with words rather than just number) based version might be easier to learn, write, understand and debug.

and since you can't compile a series of 32bpp PNG files into a GRF, theres not much point in keeping NFOs.

prissi · Post by **prissi** » 25 Aug 2005 13:37

I support this idea: Make the description files ASCII text with simple entries like:

obj=vehicle (or building/factory/Station/Depot/Menu/...)
name=SHP8
speed=80
payload=....

This is like the simutrans system, where your datafiles are plain (unix) ASCII together with PNG graphic files. They are just compiled then by a program into PAK-files. For OTTD, only a grf2-files (or whatever name they will get) is needed.

This would allow artists to reuse their work for different games, and will increase the number of available cars quickly. Imho, the easy "coding" of objects for Simutrans is one of the reasons why there are much more coded engines and cars available compared to TTD, even though TTD is much older.

Post by **peter1138** » 25 Aug 2005 13:42

That doesn't quite contain all the information that GRF does... things like sprite sets and varactions, callbacks, etc...

Alltaken · Post by **Alltaken** » 25 Aug 2005 13:43

bobbing about Ssshhhhhhhh.

you are making a fool of yourself.

Map arry needs to be done before new track layouts can be used, that ain't gonna happen before NewGFX, so this patch still stands.

NFO being used WTF, sorry have you missed the entire new GFX format discussion? i am sure you have replied in it.

you are arguing with facts that "litterally don't exist" so stop making stuff up, and Ssssshhhhhhhh.

if i sound like i am being offensive, its because comments like yours often waste a lot of the time of the developers in getting rid of the misconseptions you have created by wrong information that you seemingly got from weird locations. you try to come up with sollutions to problems that litterally don't exist.

Back on topic, lets stay on topic, Station Patch.... thanks guys this is good.

Alltaken

Born Acorn · Post by **Born Acorn** » 25 Aug 2005 13:43

I agree with Alltaken, how about we stop talking about file formats and go bakc to the disscussion of peter1138's amazing newGRF newstations patch

Post by **peter1138** » 25 Aug 2005 14:00

If anyone's been playing with older versions of the patch (yes, it is around somewhere

) then I've made it compatible, but for good reason. Now you can mess around with the order of newgrf files and the correct stations will appear, or just revert to the standard sprites if they're not there any more.

Here's some more screenshots

bobingabout · Post by **bobingabout** » 25 Aug 2005 14:35

its very nice.

they are all nice, although i think the grey pavement or whatever it is for the platform on stat1 is a bit dark.

i think they might need a few more remap parts though, for the company colours. because if they are used in the subsidiares patch, its going to be hard to determine who own which platforms, and this can be important because if you use platforms other than the ones you own, you have to pay for the services.
its probably not important enough to matter though. its unlikely the 2 will be used together unless 1 is merged into the trunk, or both are used by the intergration.

and you are right about it not being the topic for new graphics.
forgetting new features like curved track(Dunno why i was thinking about that anyway) only difference i see in the 32bpp system is the way the information is presented(plus more different sprites for the same thing. think we are having a seasonal cycle.), we have PNGs instead of GRF sprites, and probably something else instead of NFO, but means the same thing.

and its bobing about. bobing, not bobbing.

lucaspiller · Post by **lucaspiller** » 25 Aug 2005 16:32

Peter is just doing an implementation, he is not making the graphics. For that you need to complain to the people who made them in the Graphics forum (not OpenTTD Graphics).

MeusH · Post by **MeusH** » 25 Aug 2005 17:35

I know this is still work in progress, but there is a small bug I've noticed. Look at grtstat1.png. There are some black catwalks\ledges above rails. They are cut in half and miss one support tower.
Hmm... maybye it is graphic glitch present in TTDPatch, too, but please check it out because it doesn't look well.

Bjarni · Post by **Bjarni** » 25 Aug 2005 22:10

MeusH wrote:I know this is still work in progress, but there is a small bug I've noticed. Look at grtstat1.png. There are some black catwalks\ledges above rails. They are cut in half and miss one support tower.
Hmm... maybye it is graphic glitch present in TTDPatch, too, but please check it out because it doesn't look well.

they look ok to me because they are cranes, not catwalks. They are only meant to be connected in one end. It's a freight station, not a passenger station

MeusH · Post by **MeusH** » 26 Aug 2005 19:37

So if it is just graphic, that's okay. I just thought it looks unstable, like collapsing into the rail in a moment. Bah, I shouldn't think too much, then.

DanMacK · Post by **DanMacK** » 27 Aug 2005 00:53

OK, so for those of us too lazy to compile our own source and add Diffs, when is this (and HackyKid's other newgrf support) going into the nightly builds? (If it hasn't already)

lucaspiller · Post by **lucaspiller** » 27 Aug 2005 09:21

When It Is Ready (TM)

Born Acorn · Post by **Born Acorn** » 28 Aug 2005 00:15

Everybody hates that answer. and it adds nothing!

"Im terribly sorry Mr MacKellar, but our top coders are working on having newgrf support included with the game. We want to be able to be as advanced as the patch in that section. Also I should be finishing all my features soon, such as one way roads, Helidepots and others.

sincerely.

Mr Lucas Spiller."

Now that is a reply

lucaspiller · Post by **lucaspiller** » 28 Aug 2005 16:31

[ot]
Who is this Mr Lucas Spiller?

But come one, everyone wants to know when something is going to be ready, and we don't know. We are not paid to meet targets, and we do have lives outside of the game, so it is impossible to tell when it will be ready. If we give a date and we miss it everyone will complain "U f*****g b*****d! Were is dis patch??!??!?!?! I will h0x0r U! L00k @ me! 1337 ch4v!" yadda, yadda, yadda. So the easiest option for everyone is "When It is Ready (TM)".

As for the devs, I dunno what they are doing - most of them are working hard on their tan. TrueLight is working hard on getting the New AI done, there should be something big out at the end of next week.

- Luca Spiller
[/ot]

Arsenal · Post by **Arsenal** » 28 Aug 2005 17:58

lucaspiller wrote: As for the devs, I dunno what they are doing - most of them are working hard on their tan. TrueLight is working hard on getting the New AI done, there should be something big out at the end of next week.

- Luca Spiller
[/ot]

Didn't truelight say the same thing a few weeks ago? I don't mind waiting for it.

Born Acorn · Post by **Born Acorn** » 28 Aug 2005 18:09

actually, that same thing was said a few months ago

Post by **peter1138** » 07 Sep 2005 22:41

In case anyone's wondering, I haven't forgotten this. In fact...

belugas · Post by **belugas** » 07 Sep 2005 23:08

peter1138 wrote:In case anyone's wondering, I haven't forgotten this. In fact...

Ho my god! Indeed, you have been quite busy...
It looks absolutely wonderfull!
Congratulations

jacke · Post by **jacke** » 08 Sep 2005 22:27

Very nice to see some progress! Keep up the good work

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