Ttdx sound effect problem

[Patchman]

In article <29912852551530NEWS...@news.dial.pipex.com>, Mike Wagstaff
says...

Maybe the police wouldn't do anything, but if you tell it to Hasbro or
Microprose, they'd immediately have the site shut down.

Maybe they would, but I wish that companies would be more
helpful with regards to older software. For instance, with
games such as Castles, could someone think of any good reason
why it could not be available to download online from the
company's web site?

The problem is that making it available implies that they provide
technical support for it, and even if they disclaim that, people will
still contact them about their problems. And many of these old games can
be a challenge to get to run.

That being said, I know of one instance where this has happened, with
Origin's Ultima IV. About two years ago, it was redistributed on a game
magazine CD. That lead to the game being put up on lots of warez and
abandonwarez sites, which the Ultima fan club (http://www.udic.org)
together with Origin fought to stop, and successfully. This led to them
being granted the right to distribute Ultima IV for free on their sites.
As a reference, you can go to http://home.earthlink.net/~fortran/u4.html

Would it be too much to ask that companies make their older
games available, if not for free, then at least at a price?
It is an absurd situation that perfectly good, usable
software is denied to people, even when they are willing to
pay for it!

Yes, I don't like it either.

Myself, I sympathise with many of the abandonware fans,
especially with the really old stuff (such as games dating
back from the early 80's, for instance) that really can't be
found in the shops. Often, too, the companies that made
these games have gone out of existence (eg, Epyx) - perhaps
someone knows the legal situation in this particular case
with regards to copyright law?

That depends on how the company disappeared. If they were bought out,
then the copyrights have been transferred to their new owner and are
still intact. If they died "peacefully", that means that the copyright
is valid for 70 more years, and then their games are free to copy.

Actually, that time scale depends on the country, ranging from 20 to 100
years after the death of the author(s). But in Canada and the US it's 70
years.

Some time ago, I wrote to quite a few companies trying to
find out more on their position on older software which was
no longer available - to put it mildly, most were
pathetically unhelpful in their replies. It seemed to me to
be the case that they didn't particularly care about
abandonware just so long as their profits weren't harmed. If
you're interested, you can read some of the details at
http://games.hplx.net/games/abandonware.htm.

That is indeed very sad, but unfortunately doesn't make it legal to offer
abandonwarez. Well, at least the biggest sanction most real abandonwarez
sites have to fear is being shutdown.

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[Eddie Bernard]

Mike Wagstaff <a...@dial.pipex.com> wrote

Maybe the police wouldn't do anything, but if you tell it to Hasbro or
Microprose, they'd immediately have the site shut down.

Maybe they would, but I wish that companies would be more
helpful with regards to older software. For instance, with
games such as Castles, could someone think of any good reason
why it could not be available to download online from the
company's web site?

Would it be too much to ask that companies make their older
games available, if not for free, then at least at a price?
It is an absurd situation that perfectly good, usable
software is denied to people, even when they are willing to
pay for it!

Some proof that this could be happening.
idSoftware - the makers of the Quake series allow the full download of Quake
1. Technically not abandonware, and in my eyes it isn't, but they are being
good in that they are allowing it. Of course, it is to lure people into
buying the sequels, but the case still remains, as does your very valid
arguement Mike. Interplay could do the same. Allow free download of Castles,
and then if people like it, they will go and buy Castles 2. Simple, and they
don't lose anything. I'm only providing Castles to those who want it, for
the simple reason that you can't get this great game from anywhere at all.

Some time ago, I wrote to quite a few companies trying to
find out more on their position on older software which was
no longer available - to put it mildly, most were
pathetically unhelpful in their replies. It seemed to me to
be the case that they didn't particularly care about
abandonware just so long as their profits weren't harmed. If
you're interested, you can read some of the details at
http://games.hplx.net/games/abandonware.htm.

A sad situation. Most companies don't really care about a game once it has
sold as many copies as possible, the only exception being if they plan on a
sequel. In most cases, they might not bother with abandonware, because
ultimately they are not losing any money if the game is no longer for sale.

Eddie
-- Personal Site: http://www.ebernard.greatxscape.net
-- Transport Tycoon World: http://www.ttworld.cjb.net

[Peter J. Dobrovka]

Josef Drexler schrieb in Nachricht ...

In article <85t0sp$kj...@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk>, Eddie Bernard says...
Peter J. Dobrovka wrote
Nobody is damaged.
But if you ever find this game for sale, buy it and send it to me. I
will
pay its price, shipping costs and your efforts. The same for Castles
II,
which is also not available to buy anywhere.

Ahem people. I offered Castles as a free download!! It is on my site! It
is
no longer obtainable in shops. Something like this is "abandonware." The
difference between "warez" and "abandonware" is large.

No. There is no difference. It is just a cheap justification of illegal
activities. Copyrights do not expire for at least 50 years, and only at
that point would abandonware possibly become legal. The laws don't make
a distinction whether it can still be bought or not, therefore
abandonware is no different from warez. It may not be persecuted quite
as much by the publishers, but it is still illegal.

AFAIK disassembling and altering of copyrighted executables is illegal, too


Peter
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Die 3. Dimension der Strategiespiele:
http://www.digitalprojects.com/way-x

[Patchman]

In article <85tgtu$3d...@news00.btx.dtag.de>, Peter J. Dobrovka says...

Josef Drexler schrieb in Nachricht ...
No. There is no difference. It is just a cheap justification of illegal
activities. Copyrights do not expire for at least 50 years, and only at
that point would abandonware possibly become legal. The laws don't make
a distinction whether it can still be bought or not, therefore
abandonware is no different from warez. It may not be persecuted quite
as much by the publishers, but it is still illegal.


AFAIK disassembling and altering of copyrighted executables is illegal, too

I assume you're referring to my patch? It's only illegal if the licence
says so, and even then not in all cases. For example, the laws of most
countries explicitly allow modifying the code to make it work better.
This is definitely true for Canada and Germany; I'm not sure about the
US. And anyway, there's no way that anybody loses money through
TTDPatch. Well, maybe gamers don't buy more games because they still
like TTD, but...

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[Mike Wagstaff]

Josef wrote:

The problem is that making it available implies that they provide
technical support for it, and even if they disclaim that, people will
still contact them about their problems. And many of these old games can
be a challenge to get to run.

I have to say that as far as excuses go, that doesn't
impress me much. At the very worst, the site could refer to
a newsgroup for support from fellow gamers. Any mails
directed to the company for support could simply be ignored,
or a standard "Sorry, we no longer support the game. Try
asking in the following newsgroup..." reply could be sent.

That being said, I know of one instance where this has happened, with
Origin's Ultima IV. About two years ago, it was redistributed on a game
magazine CD. That lead to the game being put up on lots of warez and
abandonwarez sites, which the Ultima fan club (http://www.udic.org)
together with Origin fought to stop, and successfully. This led to them
being granted the right to distribute Ultima IV for free on their sites.
As a reference, you can go to http://home.earthlink.net/~fortran/u4.html

Interesting. I'll check it out. Thanks!

Myself, I sympathise with many of the abandonware fans,
especially with the really old stuff (such as games dating
back from the early 80's, for instance) that really can't be
found in the shops. Often, too, the companies that made
these games have gone out of existence (eg, Epyx) - perhaps
someone knows the legal situation in this particular case
with regards to copyright law?

That depends on how the company disappeared. If they were bought out,
then the copyrights have been transferred to their new owner and are
still intact. If they died "peacefully", that means that the copyright
is valid for 70 more years, and then their games are free to copy.

Actually, that time scale depends on the country, ranging from 20 to 100
years after the death of the author(s). But in Canada and the US it's 70
years.

One of the problems seems to be that the copyright laws for
software have unrealistic expiry times. We all know that at
the pace computing is currently moving, software becomes
obselete at a rapid rate.

Some time ago, I wrote to quite a few companies trying to
find out more on their position on older software which was
no longer available - to put it mildly, most were
pathetically unhelpful in their replies. It seemed to me to
be the case that they didn't particularly care about
abandonware just so long as their profits weren't harmed. If
you're interested, you can read some of the details at
http://games.hplx.net/games/abandonware.htm.

That is indeed very sad, but unfortunately doesn't make it legal to offer
abandonwarez. Well, at least the biggest sanction most real abandonwarez
sites have to fear is being shutdown.

Exactly. When the most drastic sanction is merely having
your site closed down, it is no wonder that abandonware
sites are so popular. Their cause is helped no end by the
availability of free webspace, and the fact that as far as
offences go, posting abandonware is hardly the most frowned
upon crime on the planet.

-Mike [http://games.hplx.net]

[Bill Hayles]

On Sun, 16 Jan 2000 14:24:57 -0000, "Paul Wright" <ask...@for.it> wrote:

he probably does have a legitimate copy, to make his warez copies with, fact
is he's warez, thus we should go round to his house and beat him in

A less violent course of action would be to let Microprose know. But I
expect they already do, as there's almost certainly somebody there who
reads this newsgroup.

From Benitachell, Alicante, Spain
Bill Hayles
bill...@ctv.es

[Rijk]

(summarized to keep the size a little compact)

: I don't talk about myself, I talk in general. And here where I live,
there
: are many people who sell CD-Roms ('Twilight' and so) with 10-20 ripped
: games, full-version programs (often thousands of dollars in the store,
like
: AutoCAD and Photoshop) for only 10 dollars. Very easy to get, because
half
: of the people has a CD-writer himself and so there are many people
: distributing, copying and selling them. So there's no need to have
internet,
: no need to search for a site, no need to wait for hours to download
here:
: just 10 dollars for a CD-Rom and they can play more games then they
could
: ever download demo's in one day. So it's very tempting to take the easy,
: cheap and illegal way...

and where do you get the cd cracks for these programs, every new program
now
adays has copy protection, and where do you get the cracks, lo and behold,
the net

No. These CD's are proffesionally made user-friendly. They aren't just
copies. You just put them in the CD-Rom drive, autorun starts and you just
choose your game in the handy menu and click Install. A six-year child who
can't even read English is able to that, without using cracks and so. And as
these games are ripped and cracked, there's no more protection.

i doubt you do, sitting here arguing a case which you have no backers in
round here

A prefer arguing a case when I stand on my own with my opinion above arguing
a case which everybody agrees with. And please, don't doubt on the thing my
life is great.

: This is not my computer and I do not pay the telephone bill....may
parents
: do. But surprisingly, they do not pay my games.

we'll you should have tons of money, you are one hell of a spoilt child,
not
your puter, not your phone bill, and you still refuse to pay for things

Since I have a great life, I have always a shortage of money. And I never
said I refused to pay for things, nor for games, nor for other ridiculously
expensive things. You're 'twisting' my words.

Alex R. (The Netherlands)

[Rijk]

Phillip Michael Jordan <pmjor...@gmx.at.REMOVETHIS> schreef in berichtnieuws
85tabf$js...@news.netway.at...

I meant: When the games would be obsolete anyway, was it then so
damaging
to
put them on the net? Just as Philip Micheal Jordan offers 'Castles' for
a
free download. But as TTDLX is indeedly not really obsolete, you're
right.
He damages the maker of this game.

Wait a minute! HOLD IT! STOP RIGHT THERE!!!
I am doing no such thing and will never do it. It's Eddie who's putting it
up for download, not me.

Sorry, I didn't knew it when I wrote it. I should have looked better to your
posts. Fortunately, Edward Bernard himself directly replied and said that it
was he who put Castles on the site. Again, my excuses for falsely naming
you.

OK, my first post to this discussion and IMHO games and especially
software

I'm always bad in abbreviations. What does IMHO mean?

from Micro$oft are totally overpriced. Unfortunately you can't tell
beforehand how good a piece of software will be, so it can easily happen
that you spend lots of money on crap. Magazines don't help at all, as
everybody's taste is different.
For example, let's take Industry Giant. The PC Magazines thought its
release was the greatest thing to happen to the universe, but in many
peoples' opinion the game is really bad.
Also, most Games magazines rated Age of Empires 2 much higher than
Settlers
3. AoE 2 is mediocre in my eyes but I find Settlers 3 a really great game
and I have had this opinion for more than one year.
What I do is either try to get hold of somebody who has the game I have in
mind or to get an interactive demo. If it still keeps me as busy as in the
beginning after a week or two I usually decide to buy it myself.
If it's not worth buying it I either leave it or play it at a friend. (A
friend of mine seems to have every single PC game in the world. I don't
know
where he gets all the money from) Currently I play about 5-6 games
regularly
(Settlers 3, TTDLX, Conquest of the New World, Worms:Armageddon, Heroes of
Might and Magic 3, sometimes Motocross Madness) and the CDs are all silver
on the data side.

Also, for playing games you also need hardware, and the newer the game the
better the hardware has to be. I'm 15 and don't have a job, so I have to
rely on pocket money. I have to buy my hardware myself too, so there
usually
isn't much left for software. I admit that I have Windows NT running on 2
PCs with one licence, same as Windows 95 (on 2 other PCs, which are my
parents' and my sister's PCs, but my parents' one used to be mine) for the
sole reason that I can't afford more. Windows NT costs about 230Euro for
which I have to save for quite a long time. This is the reason why I'm
slowly switching to Linux, which cost me 30$ (I bought it in USA) and I
got
5 CDs with loads of software and a manual.
A similar configuration with Micro$oft stuff would cost about 2000$/Euro
or
more.
How I get to that number? I added Windows NT Server, Microsoft Office, MS
Proxy Server, some other software like utilities and stuff.
Then come development environments which I didn't add to the calculation.
I ask all you Billies, what's the sense spending all that money on
software
if you could use it sensibly in hardware.
I know, Linux isn't of much use to many home users, but for me it works
fine, only that I have to learn C++ now

What I can say about game pricing? I'm currently developing a game, and it
won't cost a penny when it's done. It will be downloadable from the
internet. Of course, that way you can't run a company but heck, that's not
my intention - I want people to have fun, me developing it (yes I find it
fun) and other people playing it. And for me, fun should be as cheap as
possible. But that's already going off the subject too much.

I admire it that you're making a game without any commercial interest, but
just to enjoy your fellow-man. Keep up that good work!

With kind regards, Alex Rijk uit Holland

[Eddie Bernard]

Dan Ros <upl...@happynoweddie-ductape.net> wrote in message

The above statements are illogical, captain.

You dont have a job - thus all your money comes from your parents (or
other gift-bearing relatives). Therefore all your games have been paid
for by someone else. So you must have some very generous parents.

Not really. This is my pocket money, or allowance as the Americans call it.
They give it to me. It is up to me how I spend it. My peers spend it on
sweeties, and such frivolous things like bribing bouncers to get into clubs.
Not me. I save my money. Sad maybe, but they'll be laughing on the other
side of the faces when I show them my statements. And then the rich bas****s
say "Oh I've got £4,000 in an account." Like I care. At least I've saved
mine up, and not just been handed it on a plate.
It was funny when I told them to f**k off today.

"Eeearre, giz a look at your booooooooookkkkkkkkkkkkkk..."
"F**k off, I have a brain, you don't. You are lazy, I am not. You
understand?"

I didn't expect them to...

"Ahhhh....don't be gay..."
<complete ignorance from myself>

Eddie
-- Personal Site: http://www.ebernard.greatxscape.net
-- Transport Tycoon World: http://www.ttworld.cjb.net

[Eddie Bernard]

Rijk <familie.r...@wxs.nl> wrote

Phillip Michael Jordan <pmjor...@gmx.at.REMOVETHIS

OK, my first post to this discussion and IMHO games and especially
software

I'm always bad in abbreviations. What does IMHO mean?

There is some debate over this but either way it doesn't realyl matter

In My Humble Opinion
In My Honest Opinion

I admire it that you're making a game without any commercial interest, but
just to enjoy your fellow-man. Keep up that good work!

Yep, all the best Phillip.

Eddie
-- Personal Site: http://www.ebernard.greatxscape.net
-- Transport Tycoon World: http://www.ttworld.cjb.net

[Eddie Bernard]

Bill Hayles <bill...@ctv.es> wrote

Paul Wright <ask...@for.it> wrote:

he probably does have a legitimate copy, to make his warez copies with,
fact
is he's warez, thus we should go round to his house and beat him in

A less violent course of action would be to let Microprose know. But I
expect they already do, as there's almost certainly somebody there who
reads this newsgroup.

Maybe...but if that were true, then all the TT websites would be closed down
for breach of copyright. Although it would be unlikely.

Eddie
-- Personal Site: http://www.ebernard.greatxscape.net
-- Transport Tycoon World: http://www.ttworld.cjb.net

[Phillip Michael Jordan]

Eddie Bernard <e...@ttworld.the-whale.com> wrote in message
news:86027k$9rb$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk...

Rijk <familie.r...@wxs.nl> wrote
Phillip Michael Jordan <pmjor...@gmx.at.REMOVETHIS

OK, my first post to this discussion and IMHO games and especially
software

I'm always bad in abbreviations. What does IMHO mean?

There is some debate over this but either way it doesn't realyl matter

I meant

In My Humble Opinion

but this is also true

In My Honest Opinion

I admire it that you're making a game without any commercial interest,
but
just to enjoy your fellow-man. Keep up that good work!
Thanks... I just hope there will be enough interest...

Yep, all the best Phillip.

Awww thanks... I just hope my team won't let me down. I would still

continue, but of course at a slower rate.
I have updated the website about it, and if you're really interested you
could persuade me to send you a pre-alpha just to get an idea.
But I don't want too much info to get around yet, as long as we haven't
sorted out Direct X and the pseudo-3D engine.
I might be putting screenshots on the website soon, so watch out for them.

Also, TTDSI final release is almost done, now for real... Maybe I can catch
up with all the work at last...

--
Phillip
Download the
Transport Tycoon Deluxe Scenario Installer
TTDSI for short
currently Beta 5
http://www.crosswinds.net/~pwcsoft/engl ... cts/ttdsi/
[OT] The Strategy game's home page:
http://www.crosswinds.net/~pwcsoft/engl ... /index.htm

[Eddie Bernard]

Dan Ros <upl...@happynoweddie-ductape.net> wrote in message

Eddie Bernard wrote...

"Eeearre, giz a look at your booooooooookkkkkkkkkkkkkk..."
"F**k off, I have a brain, you don't. You are lazy, I am not. You
understand?"

I didn't expect them to...

"Ahhhh....don't be gay..."
complete ignorance from myself

Hehe, I remember those sorts of conversations well.

But look at it carefully. Think of the scouse accent. Now think of it
stressed, exaggerated and twisted....enough to make anyone scream. Then read
it again. Put a bit of "uhhhh" into it!
Ignore people - I've learned this myself. Their aim is to make you squirm,
to annoy you, to get you angry. When you ignore them, they have failed, and
go away. It works every time.

But I really think you mean 'completely ignored by myself'...

It might work both ways. Maybe we should ask Bill on this one!

Eddie
-- Personal Site: http://www.ebernard.greatxscape.net
-- Transport Tycoon World: http://www.ttworld.cjb.net

[Paul Wright]

i'd watch out then, you could have the whole world on you, for stopping some
never-heard of game being bought, blame it on josef!

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Josef Drexler <jdrex...@julian.uwo.canada> wrote in message
news:MPG.12ec194ea7c7845f9897ef@news1.on.sympatico.ca...
: > AFAIK disassembling and altering of copyrighted executables is illegal,
too
: >
:
: I assume you're referring to my patch? It's only illegal if the licence
: says so, and even then not in all cases. For example, the laws of most
: countries explicitly allow modifying the code to make it work better.
: This is definitely true for Canada and Germany; I'm not sure about the
: US. And anyway, there's no way that anybody loses money through
: TTDPatch. Well, maybe gamers don't buy more games because they still
: like TTD, but...
:
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[Paul Wright]

I doubt they'd care, Chris Sawyer is to stubborn to care, chances are they
made this NG to stop getting so much tech e-mail,. i e-mailed geocities and
got nothing back.
i wish dennis would at least admit that it's his warez, like eddie said, the
e-mails match, and then i add him to Icq, he sends and authorization, and
sends on two minutes later asking why I wasn't authorizing me, it was in the
middle of the night, b******!

P.S notice my attempted punctuation, i may do this on longer posts

P.P.S Notice how I never punctuated the P.S <G>

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Bill Hayles <bill...@ctv.es> wrote in message
news:51o58skj4h1u6laan4770qi7n3009jniic@4ax.com...
: On Sun, 16 Jan 2000 14:24:57 -0000, "Paul Wright" <ask...@for.it> wrote:
:
: >he probably does have a legitimate copy, to make his warez copies with,
fact
: >is he's warez, thus we should go round to his house and beat him in
:
: A less violent course of action would be to let Microprose know. But I
: expect they already do, as there's almost certainly somebody there who
: reads this newsgroup.
:
: From Benitachell, Alicante, Spain
: Bill Hayles
: bill...@ctv.es

[Rémi Denis]

Peter J. Dobrovka <dobro...@t-online.de> a écrit dans le message :
85tgtu$3d...@news00.btx.dtag.de...

AFAIK disassembling and altering of copyrighted executables is illegal,
too

I think that what is illegal is distributing what you've done with
disassembling tools, but you're allowed to do whatever you want with your
software legal copy as long as you keep the result for yourself only.
Ok, Josef is far from being the only user of TTDLX, but I'm not sure that
the license make it forbidden to alter this particular game.

Peter
--
Die 3. Dimension der Strategiespiele:
http://www.digitalprojects.com/way-x

[Rémi Denis]

Eddie Bernard <e...@ttworld.the-whale.com> a écrit dans le message :

As a footnote, Mr Houde has removed the warez now. Maybe we can draw
a line under this explosive topic?

Hum, yes. That would have been be a good idea.
This site hasn't been created to debate about warez pro and cons, nor for
debating about laws which should be done on other NGs.

I hope nobody will ask to Peter in his « [OT] warez... » thread.
I totally agree with N. Allan.

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(remove every number to reply)

Eddie
-- Personal Site: http://www.ebernard.greatxscape.net
-- Transport Tycoon World: http://www.ttworld.cjb.net

[Paul Wright]

i said, we don't bribe the bouncers with, money we slip em a drink cos we
already know em from school, hehehe

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Eddie Bernard <e...@ttworld.the-whale.com> wrote in message
news:85vue0$751$2@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk...
: Dan Ros <upl...@happynoweddie-ductape.net> wrote in message
:
: > The above statements are illogical, captain.
: >
: > You dont have a job - thus all your money comes from your parents (or
: > other gift-bearing relatives). Therefore all your games have been paid
: > for by someone else. So you must have some very generous parents.
:
: Not really. This is my pocket money, or allowance as the Americans call
it.
: They give it to me. It is up to me how I spend it. My peers spend it on
: sweeties, and such frivolous things like bribing bouncers to get into
clubs.
: Not me. I save my money. Sad maybe, but they'll be laughing on the other
: side of the faces when I show them my statements. And then the rich
bas****s
: say "Oh I've got £4,000 in an account." Like I care. At least I've saved
: mine up, and not just been handed it on a plate.
: It was funny when I told them to f**k off today.
:
: "Eeearre, giz a look at your booooooooookkkkkkkkkkkkkk..."
: "F**k off, I have a brain, you don't. You are lazy, I am not. You
: understand?"
:
: I didn't expect them to...
:
: "Ahhhh....don't be gay..."
: <complete ignorance from myself>
:
: Eddie
: -- Personal Site: http://www.ebernard.greatxscape.net
: -- Transport Tycoon World: http://www.ttworld.cjb.net
:
:

[Paul Wright]

in thatse 40% of the web would be gone

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Eddie Bernard <e...@ttworld.the-whale.com> wrote in message
news:8602bt$9ui$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk...
: Bill Hayles <bill...@ctv.es> wrote
: > Paul Wright <ask...@for.it> wrote:
: >
: > >he probably does have a legitimate copy, to make his warez copies with,
: fact
: > >is he's warez, thus we should go round to his house and beat him in
: >
: > A less violent course of action would be to let Microprose know. But I
: > expect they already do, as there's almost certainly somebody there who
: > reads this newsgroup.
:
: Maybe...but if that were true, then all the TT websites would be closed
down
: for breach of copyright. Although it would be unlikely.
:
: Eddie
: -- Personal Site: http://www.ebernard.greatxscape.net
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[Eddie Bernard]

Rémi Denis <rden...@pop3.multi1mania2.com> wrote

Eddie Bernard <e...@ttworld.the-whale.com> a écrit dans le message :
As a footnote, Mr Houde has removed the warez now. Maybe we can draw
a line under this explosive topic?

Hum, yes. That would have been be a good idea.
This site hasn't been created to debate about warez pro and cons, nor for
debating about laws which should be done on other NGs.

Someone has already drawn a line, but no one has taken any notice. I suggest
setting up follow ups. Press View, All Headers, and then in the Followup-To
box, type in alt.warez. Doesn't do much but shows you mean business. Like I
have. Agent users, once the message is opened ready for you to type replies,
press Ctrl+D. Then scroll down to find the Followup-To field, and type in
alt.warez. Easy!

I hope nobody will ask to Peter in his « [OT] warez... » thread.
I totally agree with N. Allan.

Yep. Peter has raised some good points, but we shouldn't really discuss
them, as we'll only split the group further.

Eddie
-- Personal Site: http://www.ebernard.greatxscape.net
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