CSDcargoset development:TEASER released

SHADOW-XIII · Post by **SHADOW-XIII** » 26 Apr 2004 17:37

this is English language forum ... please use only English here ... you can use other languages by sending Private Messages, but in public write in English

Putcha · Post by **Putcha** » 26 Apr 2004 17:44

Colonel32 · Post by **Colonel32** » 26 Apr 2004 17:56

could Michael Blunck specify which items exactly are violating the DB set copyright? is it only the VT-137?

SHADOW-XIII · Post by **SHADOW-XIII** » 26 Apr 2004 17:59

all Michael Blunck graphics are copyrighted ... I think every single pixel ... to use any part of his creation you have to ask him for permission
(you can contact him for example in TTDPatch Maillist)

Colonel32 · Post by **Colonel32** » 26 Apr 2004 18:12

I am not sure if I was understood correctly... I really like the sets's (CSD) graphics, and I would really like to use them with the oncoming Czech set, I just ment which of those vehicles used in CSDsetw were created by Blunck.

PS what is Michael's username here on the forum?

SHADOW-XIII · Post by **SHADOW-XIII** » 26 Apr 2004 18:19

Michael isn't here
and you need permission if you are going ot use his graphics ... I do not know how many of them are CSD

Colonel32 · Post by **Colonel32** » 26 Apr 2004 18:31

it seems to me that about 98% of the graphics used are new.

do you have a contact to Michael? I'd start the negotiations.

Colonel Sheperd · Post by **Colonel Sheperd** » 26 Apr 2004 18:39

somebody give mb that link so he can kick petr vanek's ass
yes, i downloaded it a while ago don't remember the site, but it was all in czech

krtaylor · Post by **krtaylor** » 26 Apr 2004 18:47

It's very easy to find out.

Use the GRF encoder to decode the sprites, then post them all here individually. Then MB will complain about which ones violate his copyright, and he'll have to do it individually because they are posted as separate files. Of course we will remove the offending files, and what's left, will be ones that aren't a problem. Then we'll know.

As an aside, wasn't the first release of the DB set, under GPL? Some of the early ones were. That would allow them to be used in other sets as long as they were credited!!!!! Taking someone's work without giving them credit is ALWAYS wrong, GPL or no.

Colonel32 · Post by **Colonel32** » 26 Apr 2004 19:19

can someone get me MB's email adress?

SHADOW-XIII · Post by **SHADOW-XIII** » 26 Apr 2004 19:25

read again this post: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=154934#154934 ...

nilsi · Post by **nilsi** » 26 Apr 2004 21:56

@krtaylor
dbset was never released under GPL
(only arcticset, cargoset and temperateset
and I have all three of them on my HD)

krtaylor · Post by **krtaylor** » 26 Apr 2004 22:23

Oh. I should have known that was too elegant a solution.

Colonel32 · Post by **Colonel32** » 27 Apr 2004 19:05

OK, just to make sure that EVERYBODY knows:

I spoke to Petr Vanek and this is how it is: The CSDset that he created was based on the DB set, but I do consider it logical, as this was his first project and he had to start it somehow. However, the set that got out, and that was not intended, was a version, that was still under development.
The way it looks now is not downloadable yet, but it DOES NOT contain any Michael Blunck's work. The page that hosts the downloadable csd set does not belong to me nor Petr Vanek, and he has allready asked for the set beeing removed from the site, with no response.

Colonel32

GoneWacko · Post by **GoneWacko** » 27 Apr 2004 20:03

Now in English?

Colonel32 · Post by **Colonel32** » 27 Apr 2004 20:20

I just don't want anybody to go kick Petr's ass...

Korenn · Post by **Korenn** » 27 Apr 2004 20:50

GoneWacko wrote:Now in English?

that was very good and understandable english...

ChrisCF · Post by **ChrisCF** » 27 Apr 2004 21:22

OK, this has to be the last straw.

Next time there are "allegations of copyright infringement", the admins should take the correct action of seeking a specific complaint and making it public, and not just silently and swiftly removing things. That policy gets us nowhere pretty quickly. Something along the lines of "Foo claims that sprites 1200-1207 are actually the class 133/7 from the XYZ set". For all people know, it may be from a version from which usage is allowed, or it may be that they look similar, because there are only so many ways of drawing things at such limited resolutions. Think monkeys and typewriters.

I also think Michael seems to be acting rather vindictively towards people on this forum that are making a real effort at producing new and different things. He refuses to take part in the forums, yet as soon as there's something which *might* be violating copyright (use of the word "theft" is incorrect, since he still has it, doesn't he?) he's straight into action. Following this case, and the previous incident involving something based on a GPL version of one of his creations (that's "based on" and not "ripped from"), I have lost all respect for Michael. That, and the fact that his contributions to the community, which were once useful to people as reference material, are now useless to anyone who wants to do anything other than play with them in-game, since his "licence" now insists that even the act of running grfcodec -d on them constitutes a breach of the licence and "copyright theft" (I like the way people misuse "stolen" in this context. How can it be stolen, when the original owner still has it in front of them?).

This forum is supposed to be a COMMUNITY. I think it sucks that someone who is very much outside the community can even think they have the right to tell this community what they can and cannot do.

CZAR ALEKSANDER · Post by **CZAR ALEKSANDER** » 27 Apr 2004 22:11

hello TT-forum comm.:

I and my players group agree with Chrisf that no one out side the this forum can tell people what they can and cann't deisign for this game is wrong. We thought all the new grfs are for everybody uses and not control
by one person telling who cann use them and other they cann't

thank you
signed this date by the folowing people

H.I.H. Czar Aleksander of the New Russian Empire
Lady of Avalon
Moya Cundiff
Elizabeth Collins
Michael Olivarri
Tiania Cundiff
Adam Callien II
Mary Callien
People of the New Russian Empire about 50

CZAR ALEKSANDER · Post by **CZAR ALEKSANDER** » 27 Apr 2004 22:21

I will state the folliwing that when Micheal B. put his set's for to be download they are no longer his they have become public domain and free
to be done as the person download it to change are make new set of trains ships planes are any they see fit to do, I agree with ChriF, Krtaylor
Owen and most of the people who visit this website it is public domain for any one to design any set of vehicles or building for this game and not to be controled by just one person who it ever may be

signed by H.I.H.

CZAR ALEKSANDER NIKOLAI VIII
OF THE NEW RUSIIAN EMPIRE

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