The Fry Report

[GurraJG]

Same goes for Andorra, Litchenstien... they could all do with being invaded. I suppose their must be some reason why not though, i don't know.

Because they're sovereign nations.

[teccuk]

Same goes for Andorra, Litchenstien... they could all do with being invaded. I suppose their must be some reason why not though, i don't know.

Because they're sovereign nations.

Ah. Maybe. Are the British protectorates? If so, why do they have British passports and use the £GB? Could the UK stop them refuse to protect them and let them use consulates etc?

[GurraJG]

Same goes for Andorra, Litchenstien... they could all do with being invaded. I suppose their must be some reason why not though, i don't know.

Because they're sovereign nations.

Ah. Maybe. Are the British protectorates? If so, why do they have British passports and use the £GB? Could the UK stop them refuse to protect them and let them use consulates etc?

Andorra and Lichtenstein are not British protectorates, they're fully independent, sovereign nations. The Isle of Mann and the Channel Isles, however, are Crown Dependencies, but they all have their own legislating bodies and UK laws do not apply to them as a rule.

[Chris]

I agree with this. Frankly it seems like bullying. Of course the is the internets, so sticks and stones don't factor in.

I don't see how criticism of ideas is bullying, especially if it is criticism which is backed up by real data. I would take it as bullying if it was personal insults/critique etc., which on the whole I have avoided, apart from the occasional idiot or moron, which only start to get thrown in on the 50th explanation.

Nice pace you keep, you're already judging it as a moral duty to reply to Alan by now . Don't you think that's a bit overexaggerated? If you don't think you overexaggerate, were you having a moral holiday a few weeks ago when a crowd digitally bullied Alan ?

Wouldn't life be boring without hyperbole though ? Obviously in this case inaction is absolutely fine and does no harm, but I was just pointing out that such logic shouldn't be applied across everything. And as I said, I don't think that I've bullied him at all, of course you're entitled to you're own opinion, but as far as I know all I've done is try and explain why his ideas are not the best way to improve the railway system. To do that, I don't need to propose a 'right' idea.

[Geo Ghost]

I agree with this. Frankly it seems like bullying. Of course the is the internets, so sticks and stones don't factor in.

Having been the victim of a number of kinds of bullying in the past, I'd like to say that this is not 'bullying' with Alan Fry. Just because everyone disagrees with his ideas as a whole does not mean we are all trying to bully him. If we were, things would be very different I can assure you and it would be a lot more apparent.
If some have looked back when he first joined, I was actually defending him saying to give Alan a chance to talk and voice his views and that we shouldn't slate anyone new to a forum.
However, I stopped bothered after he wasn't making an effort to be logical or debate in any kind of educated manner apart from using a "This is what I plan and I'm right because I say so" tone. Something I am strongly against. Added to the fact he wanted a website hacked because they didn't listen to him and blocked him for being an irritant kind of suggests that he is not innocent in this.

people who are bullied do not antagonise people. They are innocent usually completely and singled out for being different to others. Alan, whilst different, continues to almost make an effort to antagonise people and almost wants to instigate peoples irritation.
So to say anyone is bullying him is unfounded and completely untrue.

[Dave]

I think he probably wouldn't be "bullied" if he accepted that sometimes his ideas are wrong and other people know better.

I think what I said in my last post I stick by - he'd gain a lot more respect if he wasn't so abrasive in response. At this stage, there's so much exasperation going round that anything he says is ridiculous.

As for invading tax havens, pull the other one Teccuk ffs; are you really one of these that are going to go against the mould for the sake of looking different? The fact is he's a complete idiot, and no matter how much we try to explain why some things in his head won't work, he ploughs on regardless, and starts backing himself into a corner and uses the ridiculous (INVADING MONACO!!!) to try and work out of it.

Very silly.

[Kevo00]

I think it's completely ludicrous to suggest that Alan has been bullied. If he does not want people to critique his ideas, he should not publish them. He is perfectly entitled to his opinion, and I don't think anyone is suggesting that he shouldn't be.

While on the other hand it's clear that certain forum members have overstepped the mark at times, Alan has been very quick to get personal with anyone that responds to him - and I think any idea that he be given victim status is absolutely crazy.

[Level Crossing]

I find it odd that nobody here appears to be using the ignore list against a member whose posts they dislike.

That's just me, though...

[teccuk]

Ok ok, its not bullying... crikey, you're about to start on me!

Yeah but Andorra and Litchinstien are landlocked by EU nations... a little embargo would work nice, Andorra doesn't even have an airport.

[GurraJG]

Ok ok, its not bullying... crikey, you're about to start on me!

Yeah but Andorra and Litchinstien are landlocked by EU nations... a little embargo would work nice, Andorra doesn't even have an airport.

Well, Switzerland isn't an EU country... but secondly, what exactly would be achieved by all of this? It'll probably cost more to do all of this than any potential gains would be.

EDIT: Not to mention that there's no legal reason to sanction them.

[Geo Ghost]

crikey, you're about to start on me!

Not at all lad! Why would be start on members we like

[Railwaymodeler]

Now looking at some of the recent posts in this thread has me thinking: Why do I have the feeling that Alan is like a New York Central fan on a Pennsylvania Railroad forum? I figure that some (re: a lot) of it is foamers being foamers.

Granted, I can be the same way in real life - get me (A GM-EMD guy) and a General Electric fan together, and watch us trade insults. Sort of how like car guys endlessly (and often humorously to the outsider) debate Ford vs. Chevy.

I tend to more-or-less avoid heated discussions on the internet - a typed word-for-word discussion can read very different than how it is spoken. Now throw in an international audience, who may or may not have much of a grasp on English and, more importantly, its nuances, and for good measure, add local expressions and metaphors, and you have a recipe for a flamewar.

Overall, I just hope this whole thing dies. Soon.

[Dave]

Sorry RM, I have a lot of respect for you and your opinions - but I think you're wrong here.

We all love the railways, me as much as the next man, but once again I refer you to the long post I made in this thread on page 1.

We have tried, time and again, to offer sensible critiques, even meld our ideas with his, and he doesn't like it and starts becoming more and more agitated, eventually coming to conclusions that are so far away from reality or even possibility that he starts sounding like a complete nutcase.

I find it odd that nobody here appears to be using the ignore list against a member whose posts they dislike.

That's just me, though...

Unlike most other users here, TT-Forums is my one and only internet forum - I'm not really all that entrenched in Forum etiquette and if I don't like you or don't like something you've said, I'd much rather tell you than "Foe" you, which is a pitiful tool that then hides the user's future posts. I don't like that tool and I don't think it's a good idea, and as I say - I'd much rather tell you.

[Griff]

crikey, you're about to start on me!

Not at all lad! Why would be start on members we like

Because (from about 5 seconds in...)

[JamieLei]

Unlike most other users here, TT-Forums is my one and only internet forum - I'm not really all that entrenched in Forum etiquette and if I don't like you or don't like something you've said, I'd much rather tell you than "Foe" you, which is a pitiful tool that then hides the user's future posts. I don't like that tool and I don't think it's a good idea, and as I say - I'd much rather tell you.

Actually, same. There are other forums that I might skimread from time to time (Flyertalk, Simtropolis etc once in a blue moon), but they'd be for very specific things and not for the community per se. I think the only reason I'm still here after so long is because I've met so many of the members here in real life, including several international ones.

[Kevo00]

Unlike most other users here, TT-Forums is my one and only internet forum - I'm not really all that entrenched in Forum etiquette and if I don't like you or don't like something you've said, I'd much rather tell you than "Foe" you, which is a pitiful tool that then hides the user's future posts. I don't like that tool and I don't think it's a good idea, and as I say - I'd much rather tell you.

Actually, same. There are other forums that I might skimread from time to time (Flyertalk, Simtropolis etc once in a blue moon), but they'd be for very specific things and not for the community per se. I think the only reason I'm still here after so long is because I've met so many of the members here in real life, including several international ones.

And I think both Dave and Jamie are bang on the button here. This is the only forum community that I really participate in also. I really don't see what one can gain from ignoring a user - and I don't believe that the difference between Alan and others is simply contextual.

[JamieLei]

Still waiting for the Fry Report. It's not as if he has any shortage of ideas for it!

[Kevo00]

Well, personally I would:

1) Nationalise or co-operatise everything that moves
2) standardise stock on all existing routes
3) tax motorists to rebuild lines to everywhere cut off by Beeching
4) build a 250mph HSL network taking in Harrogate and Grimsby (four tracks throughout)
5) build the airport to end all London airports with ten runways
6) end tax evasion and declare war on everywhere that capital moves to

Job done. [/Alan Fry]

[GurraJG]

Are you sure that you're not moonlighting as Alan Fry?

[buckethead]

You forgot:

7)Tourists should go shopping in malls rather than in famous shopping streets.