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what signals to use for station with passing line?

Posted: 04 Sep 2009 13:56
by 2007Alain2007
Hi

I got a proble with singleing a bit of reail track could any of you guys or girls come up with a way to do it

The middle line is a two way track for trains that dont stop there

There are two platforms for trains to stop at

my proble is that

If i use entry signals the trains that anit stoping get stuck waiting for the plate forms to be free

If i use path signals the trains that are stoping block up the line if theres no free platforms for them

here is a picture and a save for openttd 0.7.2
what signals to use.png
what signals to use.sav

Re: what signals to use?

Posted: 04 Sep 2009 15:30
by Paltala
done quickly, untested but will work, terminus unchanged
what signals to use2.sav
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Re: what signals to use?

Posted: 04 Sep 2009 21:53
by 2007Alain2007
Hi Paltala

Thank you i just tested it but there is one bug if there is a train stop or borken down in the midel line it all stop

Say a slow train gos down the midel line should not the faster train go down the free path and over track the slower one
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The train at the butom should just go along the platform becuse the path is free to were it wants to go but the A2C trains only use the midel line to run on what is very odd

Re: what signals to use?

Posted: 05 Sep 2009 00:21
by petert
2007Alain2007 wrote:Hi Paltala

Thank you i just tested it but there is one bug if there is a train stop or borken down in the midel line it all stop

Say a slow train gos down the midel line should not the faster train go down the free path and over track the slower one

The train at the butom should just go along the platform becuse the path is free to were it wants to go but the A2C trains only use the midel line to run on what is very odd
Going through the platform counts as a penalty, since the train must stop when entering platform, then the train would rather just wait for the train in the middle lane to pass. I hope I explained that clearly, tell me if it sounds confusing.

Here is what I would use:

Re: what signals to use?

Posted: 05 Sep 2009 04:55
by planetmaker
petert wrote:Going through the platform counts as a penalty, since the train must stop when entering platform, then the train would rather just wait for the train in the middle lane to pass. I hope I explained that clearly, tell me if it sounds confusing.
Even though a station is a penalty to the path finder, if one uses non-stop orders a train won't stop in a station even though it passes through it.

Another solution thus would be to use non-stop orders for the trains and build a station with a dedicated track for each direction and one or two bi-directional tracks in the middle.
simple in-line two-way roro
simple in-line two-way roro
Eastborough Transport, 09-03-2000.png (39.33 KiB) Viewed 3624 times
(No, there are not two signals missing)

Re: what signals to use?

Posted: 05 Sep 2009 14:09
by petert
planetmaker wrote:
Even though a station is a penalty to the path finder, if one uses non-stop orders a train won't stop in a station even though it passes through it.

Another solution thus would be to use non-stop orders for the trains and build a station with a dedicated track for each direction and one or two bi-directional tracks in the middle.
Good idea planetmaker! I didn't even think to use non-stop orders. Usually with my building style, I don't like using stations as the passing lanes, but it sounds good here.

Re: what signals to use for station with passing line?

Posted: 05 Sep 2009 21:54
by 2007Alain2007
Dose this mean i got to tell the trains that there is a platform there but you can go non stop via it or some thing

Becuse all my trais are set to non stop but only got non stop odders to A2C or A2B2C2B

Re: what signals to use for station with passing line?

Posted: 05 Sep 2009 22:35
by petert
Yes, non-stop, or non-stop-via, would work perfectly.

Re: what signals to use for station with passing line?

Posted: 05 Sep 2009 22:59
by 2007Alain2007
so the way to do what i want is to go for 3 lane platform or using 2 platforms and 2 passing loops

But hay i think i can live with that tell some one changes a path finder or a new signal

But if theres more ideas about i could help me in a game

Re: what signals to use for station with passing line?

Posted: 05 Sep 2009 23:34
by petert
I understood most of that, and what you said was correct.

Re: what signals to use for station with passing line?

Posted: 07 Sep 2009 21:14
by sean16
if you want a passing line in the middle, then just remove the platform there. Then use the same signal arrangement. This will make the track the same as in the original post.

Re: what signals to use for station with passing line?

Posted: 09 Sep 2009 20:08
by Paltala
seandasheep wrote:if you want a passing line in the middle, then just remove the platform there. Then use the same signal arrangement. This will make the track the same as in the original post.
you do realise that is effectively mu design but wont work due to the doubling up of the 2way pbs

Re: what signals to use for station with passing line?

Posted: 14 Sep 2009 03:07
by lazy_train323
I ad only one normal signal in the middle, and service depot in each way. :P If I may?

Image

edit: 15.09.2009 at 16.30PM

Re: what signals to use for station with passing line?

Posted: 14 Sep 2009 10:35
by 2007Alain2007
Theres a proble with how you did it
Strathhill Transport, 9th Dec 1965.png
evern if i put depots there the trains are to long to use them and block the hole line up

Re: what signals to use for station with passing line?

Posted: 15 Sep 2009 14:38
by lazy_train323
Problem haw you did it?
Sorry. What did I do wrong? :wink:

Re: what signals to use for station with passing line?

Posted: 15 Sep 2009 16:48
by 2007Alain2007
If there are 4 trains two in the platforms and two going each way it block up with the two trains trying to go down the center line

Re: what signals to use for station with passing line?

Posted: 16 Sep 2009 16:52
by lazy_train323
Please look where I did set train service depots.
I don't see much problems, if train goes sometimes mad direction, and get to where we wont like.

But at time from depot train can find direction easily, and hide it self for others who want to pass.