[Request] Website Redesign

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[Request] Website Redesign

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Dear all,

For a few years now openttd.org has the same skin. And although we love it, we think it is time for something new. Code-wise the new website will need a long list of requirements, but before giving them out, we are first looking for a cool and good new look. For that job, we need you!

We are looking for people who are willing and able to design a template for us. It doesn't need to look like anything openttd.org looks now, but feel free to use it as a base. The website needs to look cool and stylish. If you feel up to the job, please design something and post in this topic what you have come up with. We will evaluate each and every sent-in and pick the one we like most.

For now it will be enough to supply us with a screenshot of how you think it should look. This can be done in a photo-editor program, or can be done in HTML. For this stage that doesn't really matter (I personally like to start off in a photo-editor program and transform that in HTML at a later stage).

There are a few restrictions to the look:

- It should be simple and elagent.
- It should be easy to extend for us. We currently have images as 'main' navigation, and this is a pain, as we lost the originals (hehe).
- It should fit on 800x600 (with possible scaling to what ever format).
- In the end, we need to be able to convert the website to (D)HTML. So no Flash, or any of those other alternatives.
- The design needs to leave room for a banner (see bottom of current page). It doesn't need to be in an 'eye-catch' position, but it needs to be there.

We thank you for your time, and can't wait to see what you all can design :) Good luck!
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Re: [Request] Website Redesign

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I am happy to "hear" that you all like the current design of the website so much that it does not need any changes.
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Re: [Request] Website Redesign

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Well I did read this thread before your reply, Rubidium and at least to me the site looks pretty much simple and clear enough. ;-)
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Re: [Request] Website Redesign

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Openttd.org is ok (but if I had any spare time in the next few weeks I might have given it a go), its this forum that feels like a throwback to the 90s before people with any taste inhabited the web...
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Re: [Request] Website Redesign

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I'm a web developer so I'd love to have a go, but I'm not a graphic designer and its been a while since I even worked on public facing websites.... the corporate intranet I lord it over ain't pretty, let me tell you!!

If you want someone to code the site I'd be happy to do it, as I have plenty of experience with turning flat images into actual web pages. But then I suppose HTML/CSS/JS monkeys are ten-a-penny these days!! ;)

Plus I'm quite busy lately... I barely even find time to keep my NoAI up to date with the changes in the branch!!
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Re: [Request] Website Redesign

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Ralph wrote:Openttd.org is ok (but if I had any spare time in the next few weeks I might have given it a go), its this forum that feels like a throwback to the 90s before people with any taste inhabited the web...
Well, it resembles Transport Tycoon... which is a relic of the 90s before people with any taste inhabited the web.

Personally, I think that the OpenTTD site looks fine. I think I preferred the old web site's title graphic (blurred rather than badly recoloured) but it's all good. Is this change for change's sake?
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Re: [Request] Website Redesign

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Hate to say it, if you want it changed, but it's simplicity, and the simple top graphic look really cool to me so far...

If I come up with an idea, I'll post it though! :wink:
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Re: [Request] Website Redesign

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I'm of the "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" school. But if somebody wants to redecorate the websites, fine with me.

Here's a link to a website that uses lots of heavily customized phpBB stuff, for style ideas. The forums work very well.

(NOTE: some adult content on site.)

http://deepsinking.org/
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Re: [Request] Website Redesign

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ostlandr wrote:I'm of the "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" school. (..)
Well, it is good for a website to change its looks from time to time. And as we need to do a massive code-base change (to support some new things I am not yet going to tell you about), we thought it is a nice opportunity to change the looks and feel. It should remain a simple and easy-to-use website, but I personally am getting a bit bored looking at the same openttd.org page every time ;)
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I think it needs a cool screenshot with 32bpp replacing 8bpp.
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I could have a go but there's a risk that it'd look worse and be less easy to understand.. :P
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Chrill wrote:I could have a go but there's a risk that it'd look worse and be less easy to understand.. :P
I guess after the current one there's always that risk. :lol:
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Re: [Request] Website Redesign

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This topic is a serious topic, and not place to let yourself go, and troll away. Any and all such comments are immediately removed. We are looking for serious people who are willing to give OpenTTD a new and fresh look. Any off-topic comments will also be removed.

For all people who made serious replies so far, I thank you for your contribution.
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Re: [Request] Website Redesign

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Getting back on topic. If I understand you have new cool things in mind that possible require new menu-space. You also don't want to be too restricted. Can one conclude that a static (non-dropdown) horizontal menu is out of the place?

I think currently we are getting a bit to many options at first level. So perhaps either keep it horizontal but use a javascript drop-down menu such as the one flightgear.org is using or make a static vertical menu to the left or right of the main content which then can have multiple headlines if wanted/needed.


While I do understand you have your reasons for keeping quiet I'm excited about what new features for the website you are working on. :D
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Re: [Request] Website Redesign

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TrueLight wrote:This topic is a serious topic, and not place to let yourself go, and troll away. Any and all such comments are immediately removed. We are looking for serious people who are willing to give OpenTTD a new and fresh look. Any off-topic comments will also be removed.

For all people who made serious replies so far, I thank you for your contribution.
As said many times before - it's ok as it is. You can of course change the background images according to the seasons or any other pattern, or perhaps even make it as a OTTD menu but either way it'll ge more complicated.
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Okay. Okay. You win TrueLight. I'm sorry I tried to make the world a better place by posting something that was mildly humorous. :cry:

Anyway, here's my two cents.

Penny #1) The OpenTTD.org frontpage and links all look good. They are all functional, simple, and in a 21st century, very open-source project way, it is actually not a bad design; in fact, it looks sorta hip and fresh in an urban cyber-punk way. I don't know if you want to reposition the buttons and everything. My advice, if this is what you want, is that you shouldn't change the layout at all. If you want to change some of the graphics, that's fine, but don't get too fancy. This isn't a surrealist exhibit. Maybe, just maybe, you could change the color scheme around a little bit and put a new graphic on the title banner, instead of the desaturated city scape. Change the font? Yes? No? As long as it's not f*cking wingdings and it's not Vivaldi or Ravie, honestly it's not a big deal. Have the lighthouse on the "download the newest version" link change. Have it be a plane or a train engine or a radio tower or Godzilla in the morning when he hasn't had his coffee yet (hey, there's a good disaster idea). I just took a look at the old (previous website) design and it's really the same. They made the smallest changes, they fooled around with the font, and colors and title banner, they made the new website one where the text box doesn't spread all the way across the screen on larger resolutions.

Penny #2) If anything is redesigned, it really should be the forums. I presume the forums aren't run by the same people who run openttd.org. The Yellow on grey is not terrible, and the grey on green is bearable. But put blue on grey on green with yellow text and it really starts to look pretty much like what Ralph said: a bad throwback to the early 90's, back when websites and homepages looked terrible, blogs didn't exist, and the only people who owned websites were nerds. LETS PLAY WITH COLORS!! (This is what you say to a hot color at the bar: Hey gorgeous. Can I buy you a drink? Maybe you could give me your RGB numbers, eh?) AHAHAHA SO FUNNY

Okay. So, my conclusion is: If you want to do design work really badly, the biggest improvement would be to get together with the admin of these forums so they can experiment with the color scheme a little bit. Choose one primary color and some whites or blacks and some different shades of that primary color. Or take two colors that are on opposite sides of the color wheel, like tealish and maroonish (but don't actually choose those specific colors for these forums). Or do something that makes it seem like the person setting the appearance of these forums actually has properly functioning retinas.

See:
http://www.realcolorwheel.com/colorwhee ... el_475.jpg
for reference. Very middle school, but, you know, if your education system sucks like the one in my country (compared to other DEVELOPED countries) and you also live in a culture that encourages stupidity, irrationalism, ignorance and anti-intellectualism (TEE HEE, BEING STUPID IS FUNNY AND CUTE), like I do, then you may have never heard of the color wheel.

Anyway. That is my two cents. Please don't delete this, since I really have taken pains to make it on topic.

On a side note: If you're really desperate to get someone to do design work, I would just throw it at someone and force them to do it. I've never met anybody who couldn't slap together a website template if a knife was to their throat.

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Re: [Request] Website Redesign

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This topic is about openttd.org design, not about tt-forums.net. I am sorry, but I have to be a bit strict here. The fact that we ask it on tt-forums.net, doesn't mean we have any influence on their design. tt-forums.net has nothing to do with openttd.org, besides the fact that we have a piece of forum there, and that we have contact with the owner (and visa versa). So please, keep it openttd.org. Thank you.

I am glad you all like the current design. As there is almost nobody saying that the design sucks, it most likely means that we will redesign the code-base, but use existing templates. Of course it means minor changes to the website, but that should be okay :) If you have any (serious) suggestions, they are still very much welcome. Even if that is: that one single thing on that page might be done better, please let us know.

(never in my life I had the reply: the website looks good, after 3 years of initial design ... impressive :) :) )
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Re: [Request] Website Redesign

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VoxDissident wrote:(..)

On a side note: If you're really desperate to get someone to do design work, I would just throw it at someone and force them to do it. I've never met anybody who couldn't slap together a website template if a knife was to their throat.

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Haha :) I don't think that produces any good and cool looking template ;) But something I might consider ... :p
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Re: [Request] Website Redesign

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I like the current design, but I agree that it needs freshening up.

The way I see it, if someone makes a design and it's not quite right, we don't have to use it - we have nothing to lose by people making designs.

I'll see if I can get something thrown up (brother works for a web design company)
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Re: [Request] Website Redesign

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audigex wrote: The way I see it, if someone makes a design and it's not quite right, we don't have to use it - we have nothing to lose by people making designs.
Don't you think it's a bit rude to let people work on designs in their spare time and then not to use it because someone made a better one? Your attitude is so artist-unfriendly.

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I'm willing to do some redesigning too, but I'm only a pixel artist and I can't do photo-editing, neither do I know much website scripting besides HTML. There's probably someone better out there in our community. Besides, as stated above, I'd hate to spend time in something which isn't getting used.
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