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Mike Wagstaff <a...@dial.pipex.com> wrote in message
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Never heard of PC-DOS?
Stop being difficult!

Ok...Sorry dad! B-)

OK, so there are alternatives to MS DOS,

Thanks God!!

but they all look and feel pretty much like the MS original.
And it was MS who first came out with DOS, so it's all their fault! <g

I thought somebody else created DOS and MS altered it?

Any Mac users care to disagree...?
Erm...I've used one. Never oned one...But they are VERY powerful (Better
than PC's for certain things)
But they are visually kack......And the OS is an ar*e
That's more or less how I heard things were meant to be.

I know that when they created the new Ibook they were hoping to waste the
PC market (And I think they have created a brilliant piece of machinery. I'm
impressed. I just wish I could afford one!!

What did you think of the user interface? In terms of the user interface
and friendliness,
it's meant to be (still) superior to Windows... or so I'm told!

I think so, but thats a personal thing. I know others that HATE the entire
MAC idea.....
The interface is very similar to win 3.1 (Or the version that I used was)
But it had a friendlier touch to it......Sounds silly I know.......B-)

There is also the fact that PC Win uses a lot of system resources to run
itself...Mac OS dosen't.....Its nearly all kept for the progrsm running
(Which is why the programs are generally faster/better/whatever

(Or is that an age thing?!)
Definitely an age thing! Twinges after a couple of hours?
Treat yourself to a new monitor for Christmas! Or, failing
that, remember to blink more often!

Blink?......I thought that was a naff HTML command that only works in
Netscape....B-)

As for the DOS interface, I guess I don't really like the
idea of command-line interfaces from a user-friendliness
aspect.

Why not? I found them to be better if you have programs that run using
mulitple switches.

Fortunately, I know most DOS commands pretty well, but if I was confronted
by a Linux
command line, for example, I'd be completely up the creek.

I'm not what the diffeerence is....Never uses a Linux box.

At least with GUI's, you're not completely on your own. Just imagine
playing games such
as Transport Tycoon without a GUI...

I think I would prefer it.....
There is much more control over the system. And I'm a control freak...Ask my
wife! B-)

I prefer Windows because overall it's a more pleasant computing
experience!
And there is the lazyness aspect!
Who are you calling lazy?!?! <g

You, me and everyone that went on to Win 3.1
Don't forget that Win was created for the lazy and the ignorant.....B-/
Most files loaded themselves and even install themselves now. Does anybody
know if 'The powers that be' were frightened of the games console market?

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i agree there two, i thnk w2k is stable, never yet crashed once unless i
told it to do

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Mike Wagstaff <a...@dial.pipex.com> wrote in message
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: > >It's simple! I *do* like DOS, but not all of it! Like
: > >everything in life, it has both good and bad sides. On the
: > >good side is the speed and stability; on the bad side is the
: > >memory handling and the user interface. I prefer Windows
: > >because overall it's a more pleasant computing experience!
: >
: > Until Windows crashes, that is.
:
: Windows? Crash?! Surely not!!!
:
: Actually, to be fair, I have tried out a beta 3 copy of
: Windows 2000, and it is amazingly stable. It's been on one
: computer now for about two months (ish), and I don't recall
: the OS crashing. Sure, badly behaved applications have
: fallen over from time to time, but Windows 2000 itself just
: keeps on going as if nothing happened. It's quite an eerie
: experience...
:
: -Mike [http://games.hplx.net]
:

On Sat, 11 Dec 1999 11:44:03 -0000, "Trikky" <tri...@bigfoot.com> wrote:



<old codger mode>

I thought somebody else created DOS and MS altered it?

The legend is that when IBM were bringing out the IBM Personal Computer,
they invited Digital Research, who had the world's leading operating
system at that time, CP/M, to write an operating system for it. Digital
Research declined, believing the IBM PC to be a commercial disaster.
However, a cocky chap named Bill Gates, whose 3 man firm, Microsoft, had
marketed at useable BASIC interpreter, assured IBM he had an operating
system. He hadn't, but he bought an OS called QDOS86 (the 86 was for
the 8086 processor, not the year) and sold it to IBM as PC DOS for use
in the IBM PC. He also reserved the right to market it independently,
which he did as MS-DOS. The rest, as they say, is history.

Useless fact no. 2237b. Until version 5, it was impossible to buy a
retail copy of MS-DOS. Technically, you could only buy it with a PC.
The very first DOS to be available on a retail basis was the long
forgotten EZ-DOS, but the first to make an impact was DR-DOS5, when
Digital Research finally woke up and produced a decent operating system.
Microsoft were so worried by it, that Windows 3.1 contained a spoiler
code which prevented it from working with the original DR-DOS5. Digital
Research soon bought out a free patch!
</old codger mode>
El inglés loco
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Bill Hayles
bill...@ctv.es

Steve <enschec...@aol.com> wrote in message
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In article <82ha19$q...@news5.svr.pol.co.uk>, "Chris Locke"
c...@locke.junglelink.co.uk> writes:

Windows doesn't crash either - a program in the Windows environment
crashes... just like a program in a DOS environment can crash. (Or
'hang'
.... sounds less drastic)

The resulting crash in Windoze usually causes EXPLORER to cause an illegal
fault.
Or Rundll32

And what IS Windows?
Explorer+Rundll32.exe
so where's your point???

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Never heard of PC-DOS?
Stop being difficult!

Ok...Sorry dad! B-)

No supper for you tonight!

OK, so there are alternatives to MS DOS,

Thanks God!!

but they all look and feel pretty much like the MS original.
And it was MS who first came out with DOS, so it's all their fault! <g

I thought somebody else created DOS and MS altered it?

God you're awkward! <g> As Bill said in his post, yes MS
didn't really create DOS. But they did a good job of selling
it, nonetheless!

I know that when they created the new Ibook they were hoping to waste the
PC market (And I think they have created a brilliant piece of machinery. I'm
impressed. I just wish I could afford one!!

Well, it certainly is a nice design. It really makes you
wonder why it's always Apple that dares to be different. With
the all PC manufacturers out there, you'd have thought that
we'd see some imagination from them...

What did you think of the user interface? In terms of the user interface
and friendliness,
it's meant to be (still) superior to Windows... or so I'm told!

I think so, but thats a personal thing. I know others that HATE the entire
MAC idea.....
The interface is very similar to win 3.1 (Or the version that I used was)
But it had a friendlier touch to it......Sounds silly I know.......B-)

There is also the fact that PC Win uses a lot of system resources to run
itself...Mac OS dosen't.....Its nearly all kept for the progrsm running
(Which is why the programs are generally faster/better/whatever

A shame that (especially in the all-important games
department) the range of software is nowhere near as good as
it is for the PC.

As for the DOS interface, I guess I don't really like the
idea of command-line interfaces from a user-friendliness
aspect.

Why not? I found them to be better if you have programs that run using
mulitple switches.

Such as? And besides, which is easier to use? A program which
forces you to type in all the relevant parameters at the
command line, or one which gives you a menu system whereby
you can check the options you want?

At least with GUI's, you're not completely on your own. Just imagine
playing games such
as Transport Tycoon without a GUI...

I think I would prefer it.....

??? Call the men in white coats!

There is much more control over the system. And I'm a control freak...Ask my
wife! B-)

Yes, but it would be *so* horrible! Imagine having to learn
all the commands... Imagine how many commands there would
have to be, and how many switches for each command!

I prefer Windows because overall it's a more pleasant computing
experience!
And there is the lazyness aspect!
Who are you calling lazy?!?! <g

You, me and everyone that went on to Win 3.1
Don't forget that Win was created for the lazy and the ignorant.....B-/
Most files loaded themselves and even install themselves now. Does anybody
know if 'The powers that be' were frightened of the games console market?

And in the same time that DOS was being replaced by Windows,
it could be argued that computers were transformed from
being the exclusive reserve of anoraks to useful, fun tools
that the rest of the world could use. There's no point in
having super-powerful computers if the OS is completely
incomprehensible to all but a select few.

-Mike [http://games.hplx.net]

COPY CON: TT.BAT
ECHO OFF
CLS
CD\MPS\TTDLX
TTDLX.EXE E:\
CD\
CLS
(Ctrl + Z)

Not bad! I'll give you a B+! You'd probably want to
consider using "@echo off", however, just to be really neat
and tidy. But using "copy con" to write a batch file... Wow!
I thought that particular idea went along with the dinosaurs!

One TT Batch file. Note I didn't use Tycoon.bat to run the game, as
sometimes there are problems when running a batch within a batch.

What you want is the "Call <batch file>" command. That gets
around the problem. And for not knowing that, your mark is
downgraded to a C-!

I can't stand Microsoft's useless products. Only problem is everybody
else
likes them and keeps making games for them.

Well, you might be in luck if Linux keeps on gaining in the
popularity stakes... And there's always Macs.

Useless products? Implying that DOS, Windows, Office, and the entire range
don't have a use? I think not.

Not me. I *can* stand Microsoft's products. In fact, I quite
like them in most cases!

I have never seen, used, and even heard of Linux till recently. What is it?

I've used it very briefly once or twice. I'm no expert so I
don't have a clue which particular implementation it was
(Gnome KDE or something???), but I didn't much like it. It
felt slow, clunky and unprofessional. But I might just have
been unlucky...

-Mike [http://games.hplx.net]

In article <81422854495938NEWS...@news.dial.pipex.com>, Mike Wagstaff
<a...@dial.pipex.com> writes:

Windows? Crash?! Surely not!!!

That's the funniest thing I've heard all day!
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Paul Wright <paul-wri...@SPAMSPAMSPAMu.genie.co.uk> wrote in message
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i agree there two, i thnk w2k is stable, never yet crashed once unless i
told it to do

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Mike Wagstaff <a...@dial.pipex.com> wrote in message
news:81422854495938NEWS2LX@news.dial.pipex.com...
: > >It's simple! I *do* like DOS, but not all of it! Like
: > >everything in life, it has both good and bad sides. On the
: > >good side is the speed and stability; on the bad side is the
: > >memory handling and the user interface. I prefer Windows
: > >because overall it's a more pleasant computing experience!
:
: > Until Windows crashes, that is.
:
: Windows? Crash?! Surely not!!!
:
: Actually, to be fair, I have tried out a beta 3 copy of
: Windows 2000, and it is amazingly stable. It's been on one
: computer now for about two months (ish), and I don't recall
: the OS crashing. Sure, badly behaved applications have
: fallen over from time to time, but Windows 2000 itself just
: keeps on going as if nothing happened. It's quite an eerie
: experience...
:
: -Mike [http://games.hplx.net]
:

Until six months ago I also had that comfort with NT 4. But on my new

machine i get Bluescreens almost every day. I lost 4 hours' work because of
a bluescreen. Now I'm downloading /ALL/ updated drivers and Service Pack 6a.
I'll modify the installation CD so it'll install SP 6 immediately, not that
silly upgrading stuff. I hope that works. And anyway, I'll install Linux on
the new PC too, so I won't need Windoze so much.


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Paul Wright <paul-wri...@SPAMSPAMSPAMu.genie.co.uk> wrote in message
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i agree there two, i thnk w2k is stable, never yet crashed once unless i
told it to do

How do you tell it to crash?

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ICQ - 51210676
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tri...@bigfoot.com
http://www.transport-tycoon.co.uk

Not bad! I'll give you a B+! You'd probably want to
consider using "@echo off", however, just to be really neat
and tidy. But using "copy con" to write a batch file... Wow!
I thought that particular idea went along with the dinosaurs!

Thank you.
Is there a difference between using copy con and any alternatives (please
name them)

One TT Batch file. Note I didn't use Tycoon.bat to run the game, as
sometimes there are problems when running a batch within a batch.

What you want is the "Call <batch file>" command. That gets
around the problem. And for not knowing that, your mark is
downgraded to a C-!

I'm telling my mummy and daddy off you

Not me. I *can* stand Microsoft's products. In fact, I quite
like them in most cases!

For me, there is Microsoft....and?

Eddie

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Mike Wagstaff <a...@dial.pipex.com> wrote in message
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but they all look and feel pretty much like the MS original.
And it was MS who first came out with DOS, so it's all their fault! <g

I thought somebody else created DOS and MS altered it?
Another company created the first DOS version, which MS bought, called

MS-DOS, sold much more expensively to I.B.M. and then made a lot of $profit$
with it. That's -partially- why « Billou » is now very $$$ [...] $$$.

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Sometimes the light at the end of the tunnel is an oncoming train.
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http://www.transport-tycoon.co.uk

It seems that you often send the same post twice. I'm becoming bored, you
know. Please be more careful next time.

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Rémi

Not bad! I'll give you a B+! You'd probably want to
consider using "@echo off", however, just to be really neat
and tidy. But using "copy con" to write a batch file... Wow!
I thought that particular idea went along with the dinosaurs!

Thank you.
Is there a difference between using copy con and any alternatives (please
name them)

Alternatives? Do yourself a big favour and use a text editor!

Not me. I *can* stand Microsoft's products. In fact, I quite
like them in most cases!

For me, there is Microsoft....and?

Well, for operating systems, the competition is definitely a
bit thin, but as for the rest, there are plenty of
alternatives. For example, there's Lotus SmartSuite instead
of MS Office, Netscape instead of IE, etc...

-Mike [http://games.hplx.net]

linux insted of win9x

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Mike Wagstaff <a...@dial.pipex.com> wrote in message
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: > > Not bad! I'll give you a B+! You'd probably want to
: > > consider using "@echo off", however, just to be really neat
: > > and tidy. But using "copy con" to write a batch file... Wow!
: > > I thought that particular idea went along with the dinosaurs!
: >
: > Thank you.
: > Is there a difference between using copy con and any alternatives
(please
: > name them)
:
: Alternatives? Do yourself a big favour and use a text editor!
:
:
: > > Not me. I *can* stand Microsoft's products. In fact, I quite
: > > like them in most cases!
: >
: > For me, there is Microsoft....and?
:
: Well, for operating systems, the competition is definitely a
: bit thin, but as for the rest, there are plenty of
: alternatives. For example, there's Lotus SmartSuite instead
: of MS Office, Netscape instead of IE, etc...
:
: -Mike [http://games.hplx.net]
:

s*** it up,

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Trikky <tri...@bigfoot.com> wrote in message news:82umk2$qk9$1@gxsn.com...
:
: How do you tell it to crash?
:
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: Rick McGreal
: ICQ - 51210676
: Sometimes the light at the end of the tunnel is an oncoming train.
: tri...@bigfoot.com
: http://www.transport-tycoon.co.uk
:
:

On Sat, 11 Dec 1999 20:15:50 +0000, Mike Wagstaff <a...@dial.pipex.com>
wrote:

COPY CON: TT.BAT
ECHO OFF
CLS
CD\MPS\TTDLX
TTDLX.EXE E:\
CD\
CLS
(Ctrl + Z)

Not bad! I'll give you a B+! You'd probably want to
consider using "@echo off", however, just to be really neat
and tidy.

I'm going to sound very school teacher-ish, but I taught this sort of
stuff (to adults in evening classes) during the early nineties. I'd
dock marks for not leaving a space after each CD (not leaving a space
works simply because of a bug in early DOS that had to become a feature
as people got used to using it). I'd also put EXIT instead of the
second CLS, to return to your desktop. And I'd be lazy and use F6
rather than Ctrl-Z.

But using "copy con" to write a batch file... Wow!
I thought that particular idea went along with the dinosaurs!

Watch out, some of us dinosaurs are still around and still using our old
fashioned methods (I always drop to (4)DOS for file handling work

El inglés loco
The mad Englishman of Benitachell
Bill Hayles
bill...@ctv.es

On Sat, 11 Dec 1999 23:38:39 -0000, "Edward Bernard"
<e...@ttworld.the-whale.com> wrote:

Is there a difference between using copy con and any alternatives (please
name them)

None whatsoever, except that for a short batch file it's quicker.

And in the days when the main alternative was EDLIN, easier!

El inglés loco
The mad Englishman of Benitachell
Bill Hayles
bill...@ctv.es

On Sat, 11 Dec 1999 20:13:43 +0000, Mike Wagstaff <a...@dial.pipex.com>
wrote:

And in the same time that DOS was being replaced by Windows,
it could be argued that computers were transformed from
being the exclusive reserve of anoraks to useful, fun tools
that the rest of the world could use. There's no point in
having super-powerful computers if the OS is completely
incomprehensible to all but a select few.

I agree with that, provided that access to the raw, base OS is still
easily available for those who want it. One reason I'm not looking
forward to Windows2K is the loss of my DOS prompt. There's still a lot
I find quicker and easier to do in (4)DOS. For all its faults, Win95/98
allows both GUI and command line control.

BTW, when I type (4)DOS, what I mean is that for many years I have used
the 3rd Party COMMAND.COM replacement, 4DOS.COM, with great success. I
don't think I could imagine life without it.


El inglés loco
The mad Englishman of Benitachell
Bill Hayles
bill...@ctv.es

On Sun, 12 Dec 1999 07:58:01 GMT, "Rémi Denis"
<rden...@pop3.multi1mania2.com> wrote:

I thought somebody else created DOS and MS altered it?
Another company created the first DOS version, which MS bought, called
MS-DOS, sold much more expensively to I.B.M. and then made a lot of $profit$
with it. That's -partially- why « Billou » is now very $$$ [...] $$$.

In pedantic mode, the first DOS that Microsoft produced was called
PC-DOS and was for the IBM PC. It wasn't until the first clones (such
as the COMPAQ) were produced that a version of PC-DOS was marketed
called MS-DOS.

Old fogeys starter for ten.

What was the main difference between PC-DOS and MS-DOS?
El inglés loco
The mad Englishman of Benitachell
Bill Hayles
bill...@ctv.es