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muzzy wrote: Good work! Could they or dev-s from beginning not think about possibility to mix industries?

We did. In the early days of FIRS the possibilities of combining FIRS with one or more ECS Vectors has been looked into. As FIRS evolved, it turned out to be rather unlikely that it would be possible to combine it with ECS. Once we reach 1.0, we might look into that matter again. For now, actually creating FIRS has priority.

Also I would like to ask to move the discussion to change the game or FIRS out of this topic. It has nothing to do with the current FIRS release. Changes to FIRS you are welcome to discuss in the development topic. Changes to the game should go into a new topic.

the downside about ECS is that it never really works with any of they daylength patches because of how the industries work.
the pro side about FIRS is that it Does seem to work pretty nice with daylength patch. so i would say, dont change how industries work! they do just fine

muzzy wrote:I think openttd should be not a place for grf competition. Maybe Pikka's basic industry, ECS and FIRS authors could joind and create one GRF insdead of 3 different.

FooBar and me do talk to George about ECS and Pikka about PBI and TAI. Reasons we don't join are the following list:
- we don't want to.

And that's all that matters really

Look train set are compatible, I can load many train/road sets. City buildings are also "almost" compatible. Why should industry be an exception

This is a good question. I used to play with both CanSet industry and PBI in the same game. Some things were broken (missing cargos, broken industries), but it increased the number of industries in game.

Combining ECS and FIRS is simply impossible within the current game. The limit is 32 cargos. ECS defines around 31, FIRS defines about 29. Only 13 of those cargos are present in both ECS and FIRS. Even then we sometimes use different names, weights, payment rates etc.

I think it's interesting to ask "why isn't this possible?"....but in reality, it isn't. Why not start a thread in the suggestions forum if you'd like to see it changed. Be sure to explain what the reasons / benefits would be

stormzel wrote:

Ammler wrote:

Dante123 wrote:add:
it also gives a error that total town replacement set 3.02b is needed, but most recent version internet comes up with is 3.02a ?

There is no release yet, but the nightly is compatible too:
http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/ttrs/nightlies/LATEST/

hi all

Conflict Firs 0.4 with ttrs3w-nightly-r18

Start a new game (map). no errors. everything works fine.

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with NewGRF:
Total Town Replacement Set nightly-r18
FIRS Industry Replacement Set nightly-r1337

But after trying to save and load game. error:



A fatal NewGRF error has occurred:
E04:Incompatible version : Toral Town Replacement Set must be version release
3.02b / nightly r18 or higher to work with FIRS
OpenTTD 1.1.0/trunk r20675 or higher required.
Consult FIRS ReadMe:
http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/firs/releases/readme.txt


And openttd crashed ....

NewGRF list: (test)
Total Town Replacement Set nightly-r18
FIRS Industry Replacement Set nightly-r1337

same happens here.
so i guess so far the 0.4 is unplayable at this point ?

you're not required to use TTRS jointly with FIRS...

It should be fixed in latest nightly (at least the assertion error that triggers).

Vitus wrote:It should be fixed in latest nightly (at least the assertion error that triggers).

nope,
error + crash also happens with FIRS r1351

I think he means OpenTTD nightly...

ok,
here is the test i just done:

OpenTTD nightly version: r20757

The GRF files: - i start a new game, all works fine. no errors. i save it as Test1.sav
- i hit abandon game
- i hit load game
- resulting in this error now: only change with the previous error is that it does not fully crash the game anymore now

Well, then all is well. There's nothing fixed in either FIRS or TTRS yet.

So currently: don't use TTRS with FIRS unless you plan not to save

just curious,
what can we expect, a fix in the 0.5 version ? (will take some months ? )
or a 0.4.1 quick fix ? (may take a few days/weeks ?)

or some fix in Ottd itself ? (will take ... ?)

Don't expect anything. It's done when it's done.
But as it seems that you know the problem is with FIRS and not TTRS, I'd very much appreciate if you could elaborate on the cause of it. That makes fixing within a short period of time much more likely

The problem with FIRS and TTRS should be fixed in OpenTTD r20766. Feel free to test that and report the results back to us.

sir yes sir

well i dont know anything about programming and grf stuff, so with that part i really cant help

tested on nightly r20767

no problems all works fine with the save-load

FIRS 0.5 released. Available on Bananas and the first post of this thread.

I've play-tested FIRS 0.5.0, I think it's fun, I hope you enjoy it

More people are playing FIRS now and there has been a lot of useful feedback. Keep it coming Screenshots are also appreciated.

Full changelog below - three key things for this release were:
- consolidating industries which are similar. This makes the minimap easier to use. It also helps prevent broken cargo chains on rough / mountainous maps (where the game has trouble finding space for certain industries). It also prevents towns being spammed by multiple similar industries.
- providing more complete cargo chains for games starting in early years (before about 1840).
- balancing cargo chains better: farm chains have been adjusted; chemicals are more important; building materials chain introduced.

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0.5 Release
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*Important*
The grfID has changed in FIRS 0.5. It is *not* savegame compatible with any previous release of FIRS.

*What's new in 0.5?*

Over 120 changes since FIRS 0.4

*New Industries*
- Biorefinery (no graphics yet)
- Lime Kiln (graphics unfinished)
- Builders Yard
- Brick Works

*New / Changed Cargos*
- Building Materials
- Plant Fibres (replaces Cotton and available in all climates)
- Stone (formerly Gravel)
- removed Water cargo. Tropic towns in Desert require Goods instead.

*Removed Industries*
- Water Plant and Water Tower
- Windmill
- Supermarket
- Retail Market
- Wholesale Market
- Gravel Pit

*New Features*
- Sand Pit is now Quarry, also produces Stone
- Significantly improved appearance of Quarry (formerly Sand Pit) and Clay Pit
- primary industries show when maximum production of output cargos is reached (experimental)
- Cement Plant now produces Building Materials cargo instead of Goods
- Paper Mill accepts additional cargos - Clay, Chemicals
- Blacksmith renamed to Forge
- Forge accepts Wood instead of Coal
- Forge produces Engineering Supplies instead of Goods
- Bakery renamed to Grain Mill, intro date removed
- Mixed Farm now produces Plant Fibres instead of Fruit & Vegetables
- Textile Mill accepts additional cargo - Plant Fibres
- Plastics Plant accepts additional cargo - Plant Fibres
- Meat Packer renamed to Stockyard, intro date removed
- Glass Works accepts additional cargo - Chemicals
- Glass Works produces Building Materials instead of Goods
- Lumber Yard intro date removed
- Lumber Yard produces additional cargo - Building Materials
- General Store renamed to Store
- Fishing Grounds production lower to better match vehicles
- improved minimap colours for various industries
- bug fixed with Lumber Yard production ratios
- various industry window texts fixed
- Four industries have temporary graphics: Sugar Refinery, Biofuel Plant, Forge and Lime Kiln

*Translations*
- Most translations updated

A little update....FIRS on Bananas was being a bit restrictive about what versions of OpenTTD it would work with. Planetmaker has updated the Bananas entry so that FIRS can be downloaded by stable OpenTTD

FIRS 0.5.1 fixes a bug with cargo acceptance at the Forge. No other changes. Now on Bananas / in first post of this thread.

Sorry to say that:

I have FIRS v0.5.1
The Lime Kiln look special...

Indeed, I can confirm that, thanks for the report. Seems that some graphics are missing...