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Re: Train derails and proceeds to catch fire in Manchester
Posted: 24 Jan 2013 20:09
by andel
Or a 220.
Re: Train derails and proceeds to catch fire in Manchester
Posted: 25 Jan 2013 09:14
by Ploes
Does anyone know what order it happed in yet?
Was it on fire, and then fell off the tracks?
Or fell off the tracks, then caught fire?
Re: Train derails and proceeds to catch fire in Manchester
Posted: 25 Jan 2013 10:53
by Ameecher
The latter, ruptured fuel tanks as a result of the derailment.
Re: Train derails and proceeds to catch fire in Manchester
Posted: 25 Jan 2013 13:47
by JamieLei
Ameecher wrote:The latter, ruptured fuel tanks as a result of the derailment.
My mild dyslexia read that the wrong way round: "The latter, derailed fuel tanks as the result of the rapture".
Re: Train derails and proceeds to catch fire in Manchester
Posted: 25 Jan 2013 16:20
by Nawdic
According to another forum, the loco that caught fire was 47500.
Re: Train derails and proceeds to catch fire in Manchester
Posted: 25 Jan 2013 16:21
by YNM
Ameecher wrote:The latter, ruptured fuel tanks as a result of the derailment.
How what ? Ruptured tanks ?
Must be a weakened structure. Or flaws. Or such.
Re: Train derails and proceeds to catch fire in Manchester
Posted: 25 Jan 2013 19:52
by Dave
No, it's quite common for derailed trains to have some sort of fire, because of this. Most British locos/units have their fuel tanks in the lower part of the structure.
And any force equal to that of a derailment is going to call into question the fuel tank's integrity, especially with a train that is 40-50 years old.
Re: Train derails and proceeds to catch fire in Manchester
Posted: 25 Jan 2013 22:35
by jonnie47
my friend who works for network rail mentioned that it may have been the radius of the curve being to tight. Not sure how but when he finds out i will let you no
Re: Train derails and proceeds to catch fire in Manchester
Posted: 25 Jan 2013 23:35
by Pilot
Definitely not! That track is used by a variety of Trains everyday, and the 47's used to use it a lot, blaming it on Curve Radii would be incorrect, there not even that sharp round there either.
Re: Train derails and proceeds to catch fire in Manchester
Posted: 26 Jan 2013 14:16
by Kevo00
There was a fire involving the DMU (a 165, I think) in the Ladbroke Grove crash. That was in a newish train, so imagine how big the risk would be in an old loco built in a less health and safety conscious era.
It's all speculation, but you cannot blame curve radii - it's how the driver takes the curve that counts (think of Morpeth).
Re: Train derails and proceeds to catch fire in Manchester
Posted: 26 Jan 2013 15:48
by jonnie47
jonnie47 wrote:my friend who works for network rail mentioned that it may have been the radius of the curve being to tight. Not sure how but when he finds out i will let you no
He also mentioned a possible points failure, but nothing is certain yet.
Re: Train derails and proceeds to catch fire in Manchester
Posted: 26 Jan 2013 16:44
by Dave
There was indeed a fuel tank rupture at Ladbroke Grove.
I'd be more inclined to say a possible points failure under the train. Specualtion.