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In article <82joga$hu...@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk>, Paul Street says...

Josef Drexler <jdrex...@julian.uwo.canada> wrote in message
news:MPG.12b4d9c623cd2289897a5@news1.on.sympatico.ca...
In article <375152852393065NEWS...@news.dial.pipex.com>, Mike Wagstaff
says...
The version is a WIN32 version, it uses DirectX 2, but runs with =
DirectX 7.0
fine. It does not run on pure DOS.

Excellent. That's what I was hoping.

Does anybody know if my patch works with this one? It's unlikely, but
not entirely impossible. Otherwise I may have to buy it...

I wish it did, I have both the DOS and Win32 versions, can't get the Patch
to work under DOS and won't on the Win32 version...... Please convert it to
Win32 as the patch is excellent.

P...@streeetp.freeserve.co.uk

It's not quite that easy

First, I'd have to buy it myself, and I haven't seen it in stores here,
maybe they don't even sell it in Canada?

And also it might turn out to be a major piece of work, depending on how
they compiled it. Basically I might have to redo my patch from the
start, and I'm not going to have the time for that in the immediate
future, I'm afraid.

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Mike Wagstaff <a...@dial.pipex.com> wrote in message
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I find Windoze programs much harder to set up, simply because
of all the mess
with DirectX... I find that to be a real pain.

Um... what problems with DirectX? I've never had a problem
with it after using it on 6 or 7 (totally different)
computers. Besides, I still remember having to edit the
Config.sys / Autoexec.bat to squeeze out those last few
precious kilobytes of memory required to run many DOS games.
Nightmare times!

Boot disks? Memmaker? 640 kb limit? Give me DirectX any day
of the week! I only wish that companies would rewrite many
of the old DOS classics (such as Wing Commander Privateer,
The Manager, Sensible World of Soccer) to work seamlessly
under Windows.

-Mike [http://games.hplx.net]


Mike. I seem to be getting the same problem with your posts as I
was with Philip Jordan's. For reasons best known to MS, OE does
not indent replies to messages in Quoted Printable. It also gives
Steve problems as he sees all the '=20' and other bits.

Any chance you could turn off QP and post in plain text?
--
Ant

Mike Wagstaff <a...@dial.pipex.com> wrote in message
news:135722852416688NEWS2LX@news.dial.pipex.com...
I find Windoze programs much harder to set up, simply because
of all the mess
with DirectX... I find that to be a real pain.

Um... what problems with DirectX? I've never had a problem
with it after using it on 6 or 7 (totally different)
computers. Besides, I still remember having to edit the
Config.sys / Autoexec.bat to squeeze out those last few
precious kilobytes of memory required to run many DOS games.
Nightmare times!

Boot disks? Memmaker? 640 kb limit

Don't your giving me nightmares!
--
Ant

Mike. I seem to be getting the same problem with your posts as I
was with Philip Jordan's. For reasons best known to MS, OE does
not indent replies to messages in Quoted Printable. It also gives
Steve problems as he sees all the '=20' and other bits.

Any chance you could turn off QP and post in plain text?

Sorry about that. I'm using a solution that could be
definitely be called proprietary (it involves a DOS-based
palmtop)! Is this any better?

And, at the risk of sounding completely unknowledgeable, what
exactly is the difference in MIME and QP formats? Does one
allow special characters, or something?

-Mike [http://games.hplx.net]

It's not quite that easy

First, I'd have to buy it myself, and I haven't seen it in stores here,
maybe they don't even sell it in Canada?

You could always buy it online (he says hopefully!). Nearly
every good web-store does international deliveries. No need
to even leave the comfort of your own home

And also it might turn out to be a major piece of work, depending on how
they compiled it. Basically I might have to redo my patch from the
start, and I'm not going to have the time for that in the immediate
future, I'm afraid.

I'm probably going to buy it regardless, so I'll let you know
if I have any success with getting the patch to work with it.
(Might be a bit of time before I buy it, though...)

-Mike [http://games.hplx.net]

Dan Ros <-deleteme-upl...@ductape.net> wrote in message
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EMM386, hm? Mem /c /p, wasnt it? Small boys optimising memory in the
park, boot disks for goalposts, hm? Marvellous. Not.

I remember going into school one day boasting that I had pulled 634k from my
PC
BTW I have never seen anything better!

--
Rick McGreal
ICQ - 51210676
Sometimes the light at the end of the tunnel is an oncoming train.
tri...@bigfoot.com
http://www.transport-tycoon.co.uk

On 07 Dec 1999 21:37:16 GMT, enschec...@aol.com (Steve) wrote:

In DOS you only run one thing at a time. You only use that 640 K for one thing.
Tada. No memory problems.

Not quite true. Multitasking in DOS goes right back to DoubleDOS, in
(IIRC) about 1986, which allowed 2 320k windows. But the first true
multitasking version of DOS was DR-DOS 5, of which I was a great
champion.

QEMM386 made things easier, too.

I used to run Windows 3.1 as one of a number of tasks under QEMM rather
than the other way round.


El inglés loco
The mad Englishman of Benitachell
Bill Hayles
bill...@ctv.es

In article <135722852416688NEWS...@news.dial.pipex.com>, Mike Wagstaff
<a...@dial.pipex.com> writes:

Um... what problems with DirectX? I've never had a problem
with it after using it on 6 or 7 (totally different)
computers. Besides, I still remember having to edit the
Config.sys / Autoexec.bat to squeeze out those last few
precious kilobytes of memory required to run many DOS games.
Nightmare times!

Boot disks? Memmaker? 640 kb limit? Give me DirectX any day
of the week! I only wish that companies would rewrite many
of the old DOS classics (such as Wing Commander Privateer,
The Manager, Sensible World of Soccer) to work seamlessly
under Windows.

Well, I see your problem. You never learned DOS.

It took me a year, at the least, of trial and error, to learn all I did about
DOS. And now I can do almost whatever I want, including BATCH files.

Problems with DirectX. "No video cards were detected." "No sound cards were
detected.", mucky graphics, no sound, bad sound, dead sound that just keeps
repeating itself, funky colors (no, I wasn't smoking anything at the time. )
and make mouse trails.

Memmaker was a great program. It worked whenever I used it.

I never had to make a boot disk... perhaps you just had a bad computer?

If I could, I'd dump WinBlowz completely. Get myself AOL for DOS or something.
I can't stand Microsoft's useless products. Only problem is everybody else
likes them and keeps making games for them.

I guess people prefer what they know how to use. I know how to use DOS;
obviously, you don't.
-----STEVE!-----

"I need a better sig." -Me

On Wed, 08 Dec 1999 17:20:20 +0000, Mike Wagstaff <a...@dial.pipex.com>
wrote:

You could always buy it online (he says hopefully!). Nearly
every good web-store does international deliveries. No need
to even leave the comfort of your own home

If you can find me a web store that will deliver computer components
internationally then I will be eternally grateful. The major Spanish
players are <expletive deleted> and when push comes to shove the major
British suppliers don't want to know. Simply are at least honest enough
to admit it, Technomatic or whatever they're calling themselves today
say send an email, which they don't bother to reply to. This is in
direct contrast to Amazon (for books) who not only cater internationally
on line but even tell you what they're charging you in your local
currency!

Due to the crappy electricity supply, I'm in serious need of some
Uninterruptable Power Supplies, if somebody cares to sell me some!

OK, rant over. Back to TTDLX.


El inglés loco
The mad Englishman of Benitachell
Bill Hayles
bill...@ctv.es

Well, I see your problem. You never learned DOS.

I'm afraid that you're completely wrong there. I didn't only
learn DOS, I'm still very much using it! The mail/newsreader
program that I use to post and read messages on this
newsgroup is a DOS one and the computer that I use most of
all is a DOS-based palmtop (the HP 200LX).

It took me a year, at the least, of trial and error, to learn all I did about
DOS. And now I can do almost whatever I want, including BATCH files.

I agree that batch files can be very powerful tools,
especially when supplemented by third-party utils. Anyone
ever heard of Batchman?! (Didn't think so!)

Problems with DirectX. "No video cards were detected." "No sound cards were
detected.", mucky graphics, no sound, bad sound, dead sound that just keeps
repeating itself, funky colors (no, I wasn't smoking anything at the time. )
and make mouse trails.

I guess I've just been lucky. Or maybe you've just been
really unlucky! It wasn't an American computer you were
using, was it...?

Memmaker was a great program. It worked whenever I used it.

It worked surprisingly well, but was nowhere near a perfect
solution. And besides, hardly the ideal solution, is it?!

I never had to make a boot disk... perhaps you just had a bad computer?

To be honest with you, I never had to either. But I knew
plenty of other people who had to, mainly because they
weren't proficient in the dark arts of DOS memory
management.

What really annoyed me was that it wasn't just which drivers
you had, it was also the order in which they were loaded
which could also affect memory. And as for what should be
loaded into high memory, and what shouldn't... I must have
spent more time editing the Config.sys than I ever did
playing games! <g> And, as for the poor souls who weren't
experts... I dread to think!

If I could, I'd dump WinBlowz completely. Get myself AOL for DOS or something.

Had you forgotten that MS also made DOS? <g>

I can't stand Microsoft's useless products. Only problem is everybody else
likes them and keeps making games for them.

Well, you might be in luck if Linux keeps on gaining in the
popularity stakes... And there's always Macs.

I guess people prefer what they know how to use. I know how to use DOS;
obviously, you don't.

Well, it's a nice assumption that is sadly totally wrong! If
you visit my site (it should be at http://games.hplx.net,
but the redirection doesn't seem to be working currently, so
visit http://ds.dial.pipex.com/town/plaza/aj93/waggy/hp
instead), you'll see quite a few DOS references. In fact,
all the games listed there are none other than old DOS ones.
I've also programmed for DOS using C and C++.

Also, like I said, I continue to use DOS every day and I do
consider myself to be reasonably knowledgable regarding its
use! Believe it or not, I do actually quite like it,
mainly because of the speed and stability. The fact is,
however, that I prefer Windows. It's definitely a long, long
way off perfection, but for my money (and the vast majority
of the world's PC users), it's simply a whole lot better.

-Mike [http://games.hplx.net]

I'm afraid that you're completely wrong there. I didn't only
learn DOS, I'm still very much using it! The mail/newsreader
program that I use to post and read messages on this
newsgroup is a DOS one and the computer that I use most of
all is a DOS-based palmtop (the HP 200LX).

Wow! I loved DOS. Sadly I don't use it any more.

It took me a year, at the least, of trial and error, to learn all I did
about
DOS. And now I can do almost whatever I want, including BATCH files.

I agree that batch files can be very powerful tools,
especially when supplemented by third-party utils. Anyone
ever heard of Batchman?! (Didn't think so!)

Yes, I know a lot about DOS. I used TutorDOS an excellent little program to
learn me everything!

COPY CON: TT.BAT
ECHO OFF
CLS
CD\MPS\TTDLX
TTDLX.EXE E:\
CD\
CLS
(Ctrl + Z)

One TT Batch file. Note I didn't use Tycoon.bat to run the game, as
sometimes there are problems when running a batch within a batch.

Memmaker was a great program. It worked whenever I used it.

It worked surprisingly well, but was nowhere near a perfect
solution. And besides, hardly the ideal solution, is it?!

Fiddling with Memmaker could achieve good mem. In my knowledge, it still
works with Win 95, but I've never tried it with Win98. Anyone done that yet?
It was usually best to customise memmaker settings. To get the most mem, I
used to leave the top four as No and the last two as Yes. For some reason,
it worked well, getting me 620K of convential memory.

I never had to make a boot disk... perhaps you just had a bad computer?

To be honest with you, I never had to either. But I knew
plenty of other people who had to, mainly because they
weren't proficient in the dark arts of DOS memory
management.

The last time I had to make a boot disk was for EMS drivers. XMS is of
course a lot better and runs as standard now.

I can't stand Microsoft's useless products. Only problem is everybody
else
likes them and keeps making games for them.

Well, you might be in luck if Linux keeps on gaining in the
popularity stakes... And there's always Macs.

Useless products? Implying that DOS, Windows, Office, and the entire range
don't have a use? I think not.
I have never seen, used, and even heard of Linux till recently. What is it?

I guess people prefer what they know how to use. I know how to use DOS;
obviously, you don't.

Well, it's a nice assumption that is sadly totally wrong! If
you visit my site (it should be at http://games.hplx.net,
but the redirection doesn't seem to be working currently, so
visit http://ds.dial.pipex.com/town/plaza/aj93/waggy/hp
instead), you'll see quite a few DOS references. In fact,
all the games listed there are none other than old DOS ones.
I've also programmed for DOS using C and C++.

And so do I!

Eddie

In article <397492854627566NEWS...@news.dial.pipex.com>, Mike Wagstaff
<a...@dial.pipex.com> writes:

Well, I see your problem. You never learned DOS.

I'm afraid that you're completely wrong there. I didn't only
learn DOS, I'm still very much using it! The mail/newsreader
program that I use to post and read messages on this
newsgroup is a DOS one and the computer that I use most of
all is a DOS-based palmtop (the HP 200LX).

Well, then why did you act so negative towards it?

It took me a year, at the least, of trial and error, to learn all I did
about
DOS. And now I can do almost whatever I want, including BATCH files.

I agree that batch files can be very powerful tools,
especially when supplemented by third-party utils. Anyone
ever heard of Batchman?! (Didn't think so!)

Na na na na na na na na Batch man!

Problems with DirectX. "No video cards were detected." "No sound cards were
detected.", mucky graphics, no sound, bad sound, dead sound that just keeps
repeating itself, funky colors (no, I wasn't smoking anything at the time.
)
and make mouse trails.

I guess I've just been lucky. Or maybe you've just been
really unlucky! It wasn't an American computer you were
using, was it...?

Actually, in all honesty, it only has an American case. The CD-ROM is Japanese,
so is the disk drive... I believe the Motherboard was made in Canada...

Memmaker was a great program. It worked whenever I used it.

It worked surprisingly well, but was nowhere near a perfect
solution. And besides, hardly the ideal solution, is it?!

If it let's me do what I want it to do, yes it is.

I never had to make a boot disk... perhaps you just had a bad computer?

To be honest with you, I never had to either. But I knew
plenty of other people who had to, mainly because they
weren't proficient in the dark arts of DOS memory
management.

What really annoyed me was that it wasn't just which drivers
you had, it was also the order in which they were loaded
which could also affect memory. And as for what should be
loaded into high memory, and what shouldn't... I must have
spent more time editing the Config.sys than I ever did
playing games! <g> And, as for the poor souls who weren't
experts... I dread to think!

For a long time I had 3.1, and just set it up so it didn't load... found DOS
much easier to use.

If I could, I'd dump WinBlowz completely. Get myself AOL for DOS or
something.

Had you forgotten that MS also made DOS? <g

Yes, but it was before Bill got an overinflated ego. <bg>

I can't stand Microsoft's useless products. Only problem is everybody else
likes them and keeps making games for them.

Well, you might be in luck if Linux keeps on gaining in the
popularity stakes... And there's always Macs.

Ick. Macs. I can honestly say I've tried using them, and they remind me of
Windows 3.1... which I don't really care for.

I guess people prefer what they know how to use. I know how to use DOS;
obviously, you don't.

Well, it's a nice assumption that is sadly totally wrong! If
you visit my site (it should be at http://games.hplx.net,
but the redirection doesn't seem to be working currently, so
visit http://ds.dial.pipex.com/town/plaza/aj93/waggy/hp
instead), you'll see quite a few DOS references. In fact,
all the games listed there are none other than old DOS ones.
I've also programmed for DOS using C and C++.

Also, like I said, I continue to use DOS every day and I do
consider myself to be reasonably knowledgable regarding its
use! Believe it or not, I do actually quite like it,
mainly because of the speed and stability. The fact is,
however, that I prefer Windows. It's definitely a long, long
way off perfection, but for my money (and the vast majority
of the world's PC users), it's simply a whole lot better.

I'm still trying to figure out why you're suddenly so pro-DOS. Your first post
made it sound like you were anti-DOS. I'm confused!
-----STEVE!-----

"I need a better sig." -Me

I'm afraid that you're completely wrong there. I didn't only
learn DOS, I'm still very much using it! The mail/newsreader
program that I use to post and read messages on this
newsgroup is a DOS one and the computer that I use most of
all is a DOS-based palmtop (the HP 200LX).


Well, then why did you act so negative towards it?

Because I don't like certain aspects of it.

I agree that batch files can be very powerful tools,
especially when supplemented by third-party utils. Anyone
ever heard of Batchman?! (Didn't think so!)


Na na na na na na na na Batch man!

...Ran across the motorway, forgot to look the other way...
Flatman!

I guess I've just been lucky. Or maybe you've just been
really unlucky! It wasn't an American computer you were
using, was it...?


Actually, in all honesty, it only has an American case. The CD-ROM is Japanese,
so is the disk drive... I believe the Motherboard was made in Canada...

It's that American case that's doing it! Replace it
immediately with a top-quality European one!

It worked surprisingly well, but was nowhere near a perfect
solution. And besides, hardly the ideal solution, is it?!


If it let's me do what I want it to do, yes it is.

Well, whatever you prefer... The fact is, however. that
Memmaker is not exactly a thing of beauty - it's an ugly
kludge to get around the fact that DOS' memory handling is
antiquated and horrible.

For a long time I had 3.1, and just set it up so it didn't load... found DOS
much easier to use.

Looks like the rest of the world disagreed...

Had you forgotten that MS also made DOS? <g


Yes, but it was before Bill got an overinflated ego. <bg

Ah!

Well, you might be in luck if Linux keeps on gaining in the
popularity stakes... And there's always Macs.


Ick. Macs. I can honestly say I've tried using them, and they remind me of
Windows 3.1... which I don't really care for.

I've never really used Macs, so I won't argue. Any Mac users
care to disagree...?

I'm still trying to figure out why you're suddenly so pro-DOS. Your first post
made it sound like you were anti-DOS. I'm confused!

It's simple! I *do* like DOS, but not all of it! Like
everything in life, it has both good and bad sides. On the
good side is the speed and stability; on the bad side is the
memory handling and the user interface. I prefer Windows
because overall it's a more pleasant computing experience!

-Mike [http://games.hplx.net]

Chris Locke <c...@locke.junglelink.co.uk> a écrit dans le message :
82ha19$q...@news5.svr.pol.co.uk...

DOS itself doesn't crash, as opposed to WinBlowz
Windows doesn't crash either - a program in the Windows environment
crashes... just like a program in a DOS environment can crash. (Or
'hang'
.... sounds less drastic)

Windows DO crash itself!!
Example: the 47 days limitation bug...
Other example: the system crashing while there is no running programs...
Third ex.: IE4 desktop update's kernel often crashing on Windows 95.

no worries about memory
Chunky has said what I was going to say...

Here is a point for Windows 95:
with the DOS version that is provided with Win9x, I can get more available
memory (up to 625 kb with all TSR installed) than with MS-DOS 6.22 (612 Kb)

The main advantage for gaming under Win9x is DirectX which supports nearly
every 3D graphic cards, but TT...

--
Rémi Denis-Courmont

Mike Wagstaff <a...@dial.pipex.com> wrote in message
news:77262854492612NEWS2LX@news.dial.pipex.com...

Had you forgotten that MS also made DOS? <g
Yes, but it was before Bill got an overinflated ego. <bg
Ah!

Never heard of PC-DOS?

Ick. Macs. I can honestly say I've tried using them, and they remind me
of
Windows 3.1... which I don't really care for.
I've never really used Macs, so I won't argue. Any Mac users
care to disagree...?

Erm...I've used one. Never oned one...But they are VERY powerful (Better
than PC's for certain things)
But they are visually kack......And the OS is an ar*e

On the good side is the speed and stability; on the bad side is the
memory handling and the user interface.

What was wrong with the interface?
I thought it was fine......I never used to get headaches looking at a DOS
screen. now after a couple of hours in win I start to get twinges........(Or
is that an age thing?!)

I prefer Windows because overall it's a more pleasant computing
experience!

And there is the lazyness aspect!

--
Rick McGreal
ICQ - 51210676
Sometimes the light at the end of the tunnel is an oncoming train.
tri...@bigfoot.com
http://www.transport-tycoon.co.uk

In article <77262854492612NEWS...@news.dial.pipex.com>, Mike Wagstaff
<a...@dial.pipex.com> writes:

It's simple! I *do* like DOS, but not all of it! Like
everything in life, it has both good and bad sides. On the
good side is the speed and stability; on the bad side is the
memory handling and the user interface. I prefer Windows
because overall it's a more pleasant computing experience!

Until Windows crashes, that is.
-----STEVE!-----

"I need a better sig." -Me

In article <77262854492612NEWS...@news.dial.pipex.com>, Mike Wagstaff
<a...@dial.pipex.com> writes:

It's simple! I *do* like DOS, but not all of it! Like
everything in life, it has both good and bad sides. On the
good side is the speed and stability; on the bad side is the
memory handling and the user interface. I prefer Windows
because overall it's a more pleasant computing experience!

Until Windows crashes, that is.
-----STEVE!-----

"I need a better sig." -Me

Mike Wagstaff <a...@dial.pipex.com> wrote in message
news:202382854628666NEWS2LX@news.dial.pipex.com...

Mike. I seem to be getting the same problem with your posts
as I
was with Philip Jordan's. For reasons best known to MS, OE
does
not indent replies to messages in Quoted Printable. It also
gives
Steve problems as he sees all the '=20' and other bits.

Any chance you could turn off QP and post in plain text?

Sorry about that. I'm using a solution that could be
definitely be called proprietary (it involves a DOS-based
palmtop)!

Brave man!

Is this any better?

Thanks Mike, that seems to have cured it.

And, at the risk of sounding completely unknowledgeable, what
exactly is the difference in MIME and QP formats? Does one
allow special characters, or something?

Don't know a lot about the difference between QP and MIME (or
UUEncoding for that matter).

I think they are all ways of getting 8 bit data down a 7 bit
pipe, so to speak. QP is the oldest, I think, and now somewhat
superseded.
--
Ant

Had you forgotten that MS also made DOS? <g
Yes, but it was before Bill got an overinflated ego. <bg
Ah!

Never heard of PC-DOS?

Stop being difficult! OK, so there are alternatives to MS
DOS, but they all look and feel pretty much like the MS
original. And it was MS who first came out with DOS, so it's
all their fault! <g>

Ick. Macs. I can honestly say I've tried using them, and they remind me
of
Windows 3.1... which I don't really care for.
I've never really used Macs, so I won't argue. Any Mac users
care to disagree...?

Erm...I've used one. Never oned one...But they are VERY powerful (Better
than PC's for certain things)
But they are visually kack......And the OS is an ar*e

That's more or less how I heard things were meant to be. What
did you think of the user interface? In terms of the user
interface and friendliness, it's meant to be (still) superior
to Windows... or so I'm told!

On the good side is the speed and stability; on the bad side is the
memory handling and the user interface.

What was wrong with the interface?
I thought it was fine......I never used to get headaches looking at a DOS
screen. now after a couple of hours in win I start to get twinges........(Or
is that an age thing?!)

Definitely an age thing! Twinges after a couple of hours?
Treat yourself to a new monitor for Christmas! Or, failing
that, remember to blink more often!

As for the DOS interface, I guess I don't really like the
idea of command-line interfaces from a user-friendliness
aspect. Fortunately, I know most DOS commands pretty well,
but if I was confronted by a Linux command line, for
example, I'd be completely up the creek. At least with
GUI's, you're not completely on your own. Just imagine
playing games such as Transport Tycoon without a GUI...

I prefer Windows because overall it's a more pleasant computing
experience!

And there is the lazyness aspect!

Who are you calling lazy?!?! <g>

-Mike [http://games.hplx.net]

It's simple! I *do* like DOS, but not all of it! Like
everything in life, it has both good and bad sides. On the
good side is the speed and stability; on the bad side is the
memory handling and the user interface. I prefer Windows
because overall it's a more pleasant computing experience!

Until Windows crashes, that is.

Windows? Crash?! Surely not!!!

Actually, to be fair, I have tried out a beta 3 copy of
Windows 2000, and it is amazingly stable. It's been on one
computer now for about two months (ish), and I don't recall
the OS crashing. Sure, badly behaved applications have
fallen over from time to time, but Windows 2000 itself just
keeps on going as if nothing happened. It's quite an eerie
experience...

-Mike [http://games.hplx.net]