The 2ccSet: The Trains of the World in 2cc (Alpha available)

[3iff]

Hi,

Tried the 2cc set this weekend and found some graphical glitches and some other problems...using OTTD nightly 14442. Is this set supposed to work with this version? If so, I can list the problems that I found...but no point if it's not intended for this version.

2cc set downloaded Friday 12th December so should be a relatively new version.

[planetmaker]

Hi,

Tried the 2cc set this weekend and found some graphical glitches and some other problems...using OTTD nightly 14442. Is this set supposed to work with this version? If so, I can list the problems that I found...but no point if it's not intended for this version.

2cc set downloaded Friday 12th December so should be a relatively new version.

that's a recent enough version of OTTD AFAIK. Concerning the 2cc version the version resp. date string the grf sais ingame is the important information (look up in the grf settings).

[DJ Nekkid]

Hi,

Tried the 2cc set this weekend and found some graphical glitches and some other problems...using OTTD nightly 14442. Is this set supposed to work with this version? If so, I can list the problems that I found...but no point if it's not intended for this version.
2cc set downloaded Friday 12th December so should be a relatively new version.

Look at this date:

2cc.PNG (29.56 KiB) Viewed 1853 times

if it is later then december it should be pretty glitchfree, but if you find any, please take a screenshot and/or give a good description of the glitch.

[3iff]

grf setting date is alpha 4th December 2008.

1. Can't affix a 2cc xMU express wagon to a mat36 or BM65, but can to an ET420 or mat24. Not sure if it's allowed or not.

2. A long boxcar is essentially the same as an intermediate boxcar except that it's longer...only 9 attach to a small engine (to carry 450 goods) while I can fit 10 intermediates to the same engine to carry 500 goods.

3. There are a couple of whitebar glitches on various wagons...but I can't locate them! I'm experimenting now to locate the errors...

Ah, a short tanker wagon when moving vertically up the screen trails a white bar. Also visible when moving vertically down the screen when the train moves down a slope. Got a feeling there may be another one...I should have taken notes.

4. Lack of significant difference between 1st class and 2nd class coaches of generation 3 (and 4), basically same cost yet 1st class carries less people.

5. Should silo wagon carry oil?? (I realise the wagon might be for the ECS set).

I realise some of these may be due to it being an alpha... Now I'm off to trace those white bars! Hope this helps.

[Purno]

grf setting date is alpha 4th December 2008.

DJ Nekkid's screenshot shows a more recent version, so I guess some of the bugs you found were already fixed.

DJ, is the 11th December version already downloadable?

[3iff]

Just checked...download available is the 4th December...

[DJ Nekkid]

No it's not, it were just some tests i were doing in my own game (TGVs and ICE3 got perhaps a bit low TE, adjusted it a bit, actually to max, so it may be a bit high atm), and the website (zernbook) were down during the weekend when i were doing the modifications, so i didnt upload it, but i can do that when i get home...

And i will also look at the other bugs reported. However:
1. MU Express wagons are not available to all MU's. Look at the text in the purchase window, and it will state if it can carry mail or not.
2. The intermediate stats were probably just a bluecopy of the normal one, but i guess it should have 20%(or so) less capacity.
3. I _thought_ I had fixed all thoose, but just shout where you find them, and i'll fix it
4. Yes, the "next gen" 1st class have the same capacity as the "prev gen" 2nd class. They do cost the same, but they do look quite different. Same style, but (for example do) the 1st class have a bar of 2nd CC on it and the 2nd class dont.
5. No i dont think so, and yes, it's ment for ECS use. I'll remove oil from it at next bugfixsession

I realise some of these may be due to it being an alpha... Now I'm off to trace those white bars! Hope this helps.

Every bit of bugreport helps! And I love them! This will (at some point) get perfect and bugfree. It's gotten a LONG way from it's initial release tho

[DJ Nekkid]

adjusted the intermediate boxcar a bit (a bit slower max speed (125kmh(vs160kmh)), less capacity (40(vs50)) and weigh a bit less (20t(vs24t))
modded the silo to default to grain, and it cant carry oil.

removed a small white line in the | direction on the small tanker


also: if anyone want to see my current game, grab the most recent version of this set, download cargodest http://www.openttd.org/no/download-cargodest (h63f84835), and you probably need the opencoop newgrf pack. if when loading the game you get "bad" grapichs, open the newgrf-window, remove the 4th august version (that comes with the opencoop pack), and load the 15th december version (or newer, and older back to september or october prolly works as well). It's far from finished, but its getting somewhere.

[leaderfrontier]

Optional B-units
Can some explain this meaning?
I have view back the reply but i still got a problem:

Pontenuovo al Panaro Transport, 2nd Jan 2029.png

This train 1:
Look like nice but cannot take any passenger nor cargo
But for the train 2:
I have put other type of cargo,so it can take cargo.

Are it mean that Optional B is useless?

[DJ Nekkid]

no, pretty much the opposite.

the optional b-units mean that you can attach a 2nd (or nth) engine to the first one, it will have different graphics, and it will have half running costs. Altho, it will give full power and TE to the train. If you use the normal mode or easy mode it will easier to spot.

I should perhaps add a section on this in the readme.

[3iff]

DJ Nekkid...

Glad to help...While I can't draw or do any of the NFO stuff...I can test what is produced and I tend to be pretty good at spotting things.

I see now about the MU engines. Wasn't sure if it was you or me getting it wrong...but it was me.

Guessed the stats were simply copies for later adjustment.

Another white line. Short gondola carrying a load of wood in | direction. Also apparent when wagons are empty, both times when moving up the screen.

I did see that the 1st/2nd coaches look different (just about) but it seems a bit of a waste as I'd almost certainly never use 1st class coaches as they carry less passengers for the same cost. Could not the running cost be reduced as it's offset by the increased 1st class fares?

Oh, I also spotted a typo - "passanger" in double decker passanger coach.

I'll keep testing. It's an interesting set...let us know when the next version is available.

[DJ Nekkid]

Another white line. Short gondola carrying a load of wood in | direction. Also apparent when wagons are empty, both times when moving up the screen.

will fix

I did see that the 1st/2nd coaches look different (just about) but it seems a bit of a waste as I'd almost certainly never use 1st class coaches as they carry less passengers for the same cost. Could not the running cost be reduced as it's offset by the increased 1st class fares?

That is actually a good point

Passanger/passenger ... i think i've turned that back and forth a couple of times, but i'll do it for you

next version, probably available tonight, probably before 20.00 CET...

[3iff]

Downloaded latest version...15 Dec

Tanker white bars are fixed. A white bar still appears at the top of a short gondola (full or empty) when moving vertically up the screen.

Silo fixed to carry grain, although the numbers probably need adjusting as it's heavier and more expensive than a hopper but carries less cargo.

Passanger not yet changed to passenger.

Inter boxcar values changed.

No other problems spotted so far...

[Purno]

I'd like to thank everyone who's hunting for the bugs to make this set bugfree!

Unfortunately I haven't played TT lately, I certainly should play TT in my next holidays starting next friday

[DJ Nekkid]

Unfortunately I haven't played TT lately, I certainly should play TT in my next holidays starting next friday

No you shouldnt! You should draw more trains! Hehe.

I do have a few ideas as well, but lets talk about that later...

[Purno]

Gah, I don't feel like drawing lately... always have other things I want to do... silly addictions I have... WoW and such

Anyone feel like gathering a 'most wanted' list?

[DJ Nekkid]

hehehehehehehe! no pressure on you dude! no at all I mean it! No pressure!

Well, ofcourse you can play as well, not draw all the time But the nice thing is, when you get the inspiration, you push out a good portion each time I mean, at one point do you want to eat the fruits of your labour!

Cheers

[Purno]

I'd love to see more screenshots of my set in the screenshot forum, but somehow every topic I open uses another train set.

[Ameecher]

I'd love to see more screenshots of my set in the screenshot forum, but somehow every topic I open uses another train set.

Make it worth playing and we'd play with it. Currently in an unfinished state that becomes incompatible with a save every few weeks because of an update makes the set unattractive to me.
Also my personal opinion, I don't like the multi-national idea of the set but that's me, also not a great fan of the drawing style but again, that's personal taste.

[Purno]

I'd love to see more screenshots of my set in the screenshot forum, but somehow every topic I open uses another train set.

Make it worth playing and we'd play with it. Currently in an unfinished state that becomes incompatible with a save every few weeks because of an update makes the set unattractive to me.

One doesn't need to update everytime, it's not that buggy (or is it?)