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OzTransLtd wrote:Well, here we have stage 1; the 1st Generation (dirt) Roads for temperate and above snow line ...

Ok guys! One-Liner time!
1. Here it June 14 and I just put away the shovel and you do this to me?
2. Can somebody draw a snowplow for me so I can clear the driveway?
3. Those look just like our city roads in winter ... and they're paved!
4. Those winter road graphics need something ... salt and plowing.

OzTransLtd wrote:I'm also suggesting that this set be renamed 'North American Road Set'. Any takers ?

... with the acronym NARS? Could be confusing. How about North American Traffic Set?

Hey! Those look great! Awesome job OzTrans!

Ben: I can't take all of the credit, now. I drew the original sprites, but lifeblood did the snow and crossings. This is turning out to be a good collaboration.

It's good to hear that my trestle might finally be doable. It's been sitting in a folder for about 2 years now. Let me get my tourist industries finished, and I'll revisit it, and maybe draw a few more.

Cheers!

Congrats all around - Oz, lifeblood, OzTransLtd, etc. -- Everything looks great!

North American Road Set

I was going to suggest this at the same time I suggested breaking off for the North American Bridge Set - was afraid some early contributors would have hung me out to dry if I did, so I kept my mouth shut. The forums have a number of highly talented friends in North Wisconsin, so we might as well keep them in the loop on these projects . My vote would go towards establishing these sets as part of an overall North American infrastructure - NA Bridge Set, NA Road Set, etc.

...acronym...

Personally, I'd be fine with names like NABridgeSet.grf, NARoadSet.grf, etc. Obviously the NARS (and NABS, for that matter ) developers have put a lot of time into their own projects and we don't want to add long term confusion... but I am optimistic that the naming convention won't degrade into some kind of turf war down the road...

With regards to the snowy roads:
It seems a little strange that the region between the train tracks is free from snow in all areas other than the level crossing - i can't think of a logical reason why this would occur?

SuperTycoon wrote:With regards to the snowy roads: It seems a little strange that the region between the train tracks is free from snow in all areas other than the level crossing ...

Something, I noticed too. May be showing the timber planks between the rails is an option ... the heat of the steam engines seems to melt the snow in between tracks anyway.

... renaming the set ...

We don't want to infringe on NARS and NABS, but NARoads and NABridge would be quite acceptable.

I'm not too bothered about the nomenclature. Perhaps the NAFTA Road Set, or AmeriCana Road Set.

Snow between the rails:
The most annoying feature in TTD for me is that there are two types of non-snowy roads, but only one type of snowy roads. Therefore, I made these completely snow covered to mask the differences between the brick and the dirt above the snow line. This includes the level crossings. The bricks have bitumen crossings, the dirts have planks. To have planks in the snowy crossings would replace the bitumen in urban areas. I can't stand that.

lifeblood wrote:Perhaps the NAFTA ...

The North American Free Trade Agreement is somewhat controversial in some circles at the moment what with Hershey and others moving their operations to Mexico under the guise of NAFTA and laying off a thousand or more US and Canadian employees. NARails and NABridges have my vote if it comes to a vote.

Sorry for the politics but it is a subject that strikes home.

lifeblood wrote: ... The bricks have bitumen crossings, the dirts have planks. To have planks in the snowy crossings would replace the bitumen in urban areas. ...

True, but how about, adding a little bit of snow between the snowy tracks (nothing to do with roads, but would be doable) ?.

Ahh, as part of the road tile to make it less square looking... I like that.

Wally, scratch NAFTA (besides, I don't know what roads in Mexico look like). But I still like AmeriCana.

lifeblood wrote:Ahh, as part of the road tile to make it less square looking...

I'm not with you ... but what I meant was, add a bit of snow between the rails to every snowy rail track tile, so that they all look like your snowy rail crossing.

lifeblood wrote:Wally, scratch NAFTA (besides, I don't know what roads in Mexico look like). But I still like AmeriCana.

Thanks. AmeriCana is good. Do you think we could impose upon DanMack to change NARS and NAIS to AmeriCanaRails and AmeriCanaIndustrial and Aegir for NABS to AmeriCanaRealty?
I'm a'hidin where the trouts can't find me.

ok ... I'm a'crawlin outta the hidey-hole.

As a died-in-the-wool, card carrying North American of the Canadian persuasion who can't draw worth a lick and can't code the broad side of a TV remote but can dig his way through a 2 foot high, 3 meter wide snowdrift in under 10 minutes without the aid of a snowblower, I believe that I am perfectly qualified to make suggestions and comments on this topic.
1. The roads are great, dirt, snow, brick, asphalt and all.
2. The rail crossings are great, dirt, snow, brick, asphalt and all.
3. Yes, the railroads in winter could use a little snow between the rails. Don't forget about the narrow gauge and other track types while you're at it.
4. Covered bridges were a fact of life for both road and rail in the early twenties and thirties. They should be available alongside, but not replace, the basic wooden bridge. Do an image Google for "Covered bridge" for ideas.
5. Culverts (Really, they are very short bridges) to span \/ depressions (as opposed to \_/, \__/, or wider depressions). Only three are required and can be time based ... wood box for early years, concrete box for middle years, metal pipe for later years. They can be made from right and left bridge approaches with no center spans. Once more, image Google "culvert" or "culvert wood" for ideas. (If you're really crafty, you might be able to draw them so that they would double as proper bridge approaches too. )

wallyweb wrote: AmeriCana...

Sounds good to me ...

... snow between rails ... Don't forget about the narrow gauge and other track types ...

I think we could forget about monorail and maglev tracks ... they are probably heated anyway, so are the points.

... bridges ...

Culverts (zero-length), Covered Wooden, Hell Gate and River George Bridges are already on the list; the latter 2 will only be available as 5-tile bridge due to bridge layout rules.

... [culverts] ... wood box for early years, concrete box for middle years, metal pipe for later years.

Unfortunately, there is only a start year, but no end year; but we could do the same time based implementation we do for roads. Also we only have 11 (13 in OpenTTD) bridge IDs to work with.

If anyone wants to get some ideas, here is a website with plenty of bridges to choose from and the River Gorge Bridge is here.

Alright, using bridge hunter, I've come up with this:

culvert: concrete for roads/stones for rails
wood pole: same for both
covered bridge: same for both
early steel arch: Hells Gate Bridge for both
late steel arch: Gorge River for both
pony girder: concrete for roads/metal for rails
deck plate girder: steel girder for roads/trestle for rails
truss: same for both
early suspension: same for both
late suspension: same for both
stone arch: same for both

All eleven types used.

lifeblood - nice list . Haven't finished mine, but will either PM or post it soon.

Our friends in Canada - Anyone know of any worthwhile bridges? The resources I've found thus far focus entirely on US bridges...

Chicago Rail Authority wrote: Our friends in Canada - Anyone know of any worthwhile bridges? The resources I've found thus far focus entirely on US bridges...

Lion's Gate Bridge - Vancouver, BC
Confederation Bridge - Prince Edward Island
Peace Bridge - Fort Erie, ON
Rainbow Bridge - Niagara Falls, ON
Pont Jacques Cartier Bridge - Montréal, QC
Pont Victoria Bridge - Montréal, QC
Ambassador Bridge - Windsor, ON
Pont Québec Bridge - Québec, QC (collapsed twice during construction)
Hartland Bridge - Hartland, NB (longest covered bridge in the world)
There are many more ... check out this link: http://www.tc.gc.ca/Programs/Surface/bridges/menu.htm

... bridges ...

the list is growing ... very nice ...

... breaking news ...

It's 1921 ... Mexico has acquired AmeriCana road construction know-how ...

OzTransLtd wrote:

... breaking news ...

It's 1921 ... Mexico has acquired AmeriCana road construction know-how ...

Yes ... and they built some roads right over a pyramid thus burying 22 years of archaeological effort. Oh well. Let's go into town for a tequila and if Conchita is there perhaps I will have a siesta too.

Wally-

Nice list . Sorry to see so many collapses, though...

Additional resource for those looking to add to the discussion:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_notable_bridges

Please keep in mind that that list is not limited to NA, so choose wisely

Very nice work guys!
Roads are just amazing!

May i have Download please?