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Snail wrote:I saw your new allocation scheme and I thought I'd post some suggestions about how to fill the empty slots.
You were looking for a western european 1977 city bus, and I was thinking about an articulated model which has been heavily in use where I live until a couple of years ago. It's the Fiat 418 with the Macchi bodywork, which was available in both the urban and suburban versions.

The rare part has 2 wheels. Interesting

Snail wrote:They're quite unique, as they're four-axle buses, and would add a high-capacity model in the game since the mid Seventies. Their production started in 1977 and ended in about 1985.
There was also the single-frame version, called 418AC, which was 10 meters long and was introduced a bit earlier (around 1975 with this bodywork) and could be a cheaper, smaller alternative to the 421 (as it was in reality). Here's a pic of it I've got original drawings and many pics of both versions (AC and articulated).

Well, post them to me

Snail wrote:I also saw you added a slot for a city bus in 1983. I was thinking about a French model, which would be a perfect replacement for the aging SC10 in the game; the Renault R312. It was actually introduced in 1985 (hope that's not a problem!)
It was sold in two versions, a two door one popular in Paris and a three door more common in other cities (they might have different livery schemes in the game). It went out production in 1997, with the introduction of the Agora. I still don't have a proper drawing of that, but I've got a picture of its side view (no 3/4 view, real plain side) which I believe you'll be able to use.

I'll try, but no draw usually means very slow work

Snail wrote:What do you say? As for drawing them, unluckily I'll be quite busy for the next year, so I really doubt I'll be able to find the time to learn and draw them.
Perahps some other artists out there would care to help? Like DanMack, or Wile E. Coyote, who drew really nice models? I could supply any of you with what you need, like pictures, info and some drawings. This of course would apply to the Renault TN6 too. (that one would be badly needed, as we still have no western european buses prior to 1950!)
By the way, I guess the 1994 Ikarbuses should be marked as Eastern european on your ID allocation scheme!

I'll have a look

Well, post them to me

Glad you're interested. Here you got: I posted both the drawings and some pics I could find of those models. In the drawings you'll find a variant of the articulated urban type, and the two short ones (called AC, both 3-door urban and 2-door suburban).
You'll notice that the articulated's drawing reads "suburban", but that's because all of those buses were officially classified like that. The drawing actually refers to the three-door version, orange in the pics, which was used mainly in urban journeys: there was a two-door version also (blue in the pics) which was properly used for suburban journeys, sometimes even on highways.

Some data you might find helpful (I'll omit dimensions as they're displayed on the drawings)
Capacity:
Seating 50 (3-door art.), 63 (2-door art.), 18 (3-door AC), 35 (2-door AC)
Standing 81 (3-door art.), 80 (3-door AC), 45 (2-door AC)
I still couldn't find capacity for 2-door art. Maybe you could figure it out with your method, consider it has 13 more seats than the one in the drawing (all of the seats are double and there's one more row in the place of the missing 1st door).
Power: 187 HP
Max speed: 68 km/h (both 3-door versions), 75 km/h (both 2-door versions as they were suburban)
Weight:
Articulated: 15,260 kg (empty), 24,400 kg (full load)
AC 2-door: 8,850 (empty), 13,770 (full load)
AC3-door: 8,630 (empty), 14,500 (full load)

Yes, those beasts were 4-axles buses, quite a unique feature. The engine was mounted on the front body and powered the 2nd axle.
Concerning the non-articulated versions, they were produced in two variants, the A (11-meter) and the AC (10-meter, in the drawings).
As for the years of production, the single 418 itself was born in 1973, but that bodywork (made by Macchi) was introduced in 1975, and the articulated version was released in 1977. All of them were discountinued around 1985 and had a life of about 19 years. I've got pictures of different bodyworks too.

The liveries were quite monotonous, i.e. orange with sometimes gray roofs for 3-door versions and blue with gray roofs for 2-door versions. There were some AC 3-door's which were painted red or deep orange in the bottom part (below the windows) and white or cream in the top part, though.

Now for the R312.

Length: 11.999 meters
Width: 2.5 m
Height: 3.109 m
Length in front of front axle: 2.17 m
Wheelbase: 6.12 m
Length behind rear axle: 3.16 m
Weight: 11,450 kg (empty), 19,000 kg (full)
Power: 206 HP
Capacity:
seating: 28 (3-door), 31 (2-door)
standing: 80 (3-door), 70 (2-door)
Production: 1985-1997
Life: about 20 years, still in service now

Do you think a side picture like this could help you? (attch)

Cheers!

D'oh, it didn't get the fourth attch for some reason. Here it is. A bunch of pics of the R312.

Snail wrote:Perahps some other artists out there would care to help? Like DanMack, or Wile E. Coyote, who drew really nice models?

I want to help, but I'm involved in 4 projects and probably I'll have no time to work on buses you suggested. (But anyway I'll take a look )

Snail wrote:By the way, I guess the 1994 Ikarbuses should be marked as Eastern european on your ID allocation scheme!

Aren't they part of Eastern Europe LV?

Meanwhile, I drew something. Is it acceptable for LV set?

Ikarbus IK-308
Date of introduction: 2001
Dimensions: 8115x2500x2915+105 mm
Max. speed: 105 km/h
Capacity: 31 passengers
Weight: 7800 kg
Engine: MAN/D0834 LOH-02 (Euro 3)
Power: 170 hp
Baggage Compartment: 4 cum

By the way, I guess the 1994 Ikarbuses should be marked as Eastern european on your ID allocation scheme!

Aren't they part of Eastern Europe LV?

Yup, but I was only referring to George's 3 3/4 ID allocation scheme. The two Ikarbuses appear under a green background, while I guess they should appear under a white background, isn't it?

I see. I guess it's George's mistake.

BTW, I have contemporary touristic buses, and city buses from 50s, 60s, 70s and 80s (Ikarbus). Also I have trucks from 50s (Ikarbus), 60s and 80s (FAP), trucks from 90s (Zastava), and city bus from 90s (FAP). Is it something acceptable?

Hmm.. wasn't Ikarbus the result of a spinoff of Ikarus Buses in 1991? AFAIK, it was just the Yugoslavian Ikarus Bus factory, which was renamed Ikarbus (Ikarus Buses itself was eventually acquired by Irisbus in 1998).
If so, all of the models earlier than 1991 were actually the same as Ikaruses, and George's set already includes many of them...

If I remember, it worked with MAN and earlier with Saurer. I'll post pics, so we can compare buses, and then all job will be easier.

Wile E. Coyote wrote:

Snail wrote:Perahps some other artists out there would care to help? Like DanMack, or Wile E. Coyote, who drew really nice models?

I want to help, but I'm involved in 4 projects and probably I'll have no time to work on buses you suggested. (But anyway I'll take a look )

Snail wrote:By the way, I guess the 1994 Ikarbuses should be marked as Eastern european on your ID allocation scheme!

Aren't they part of Eastern Europe LV?
Meanwhile, I drew something. Is it acceptable for LV set?

Yes, but some shades are wrong (the upper part) and company colors are too sharp

Snail wrote:

By the way, I guess the 1994 Ikarbuses should be marked as Eastern european on your ID allocation scheme!

Aren't they part of Eastern Europe LV?

Yup, but I was only referring to George's 3 3/4 ID allocation scheme. The two Ikarbuses appear under a green background, while I guess they should appear under a white background, isn't it?

Will be fixed

Wile E. Coyote wrote:I see. I guess it's George's mistake.
BTW, I have contemporary touristic buses, and city buses from 50s, 60s, 70s and 80s (Ikarbus). Also I have trucks from 50s (Ikarbus), 60s and 80s (FAP), trucks from 90s (Zastava), and city bus from 90s (FAP). Is it something acceptable?

Yes, show what you have.

By the way George, I found some drawings of the articulated version of the modern Scania city bus you drew. The drawings don't refer to the OmniLink model, but to the OmniCity. Would you be interested anyway?

Snail wrote:By the way George, I found some drawings of the articulated version of the modern Scania city bus you drew. The drawings don't refer to the OmniLink model, but to the OmniCity. Would you be interested anyway?

Yes, I do

Ok, here we go. I found drawings for six models, 12- and 18-meters long (I think it's the whole OmniCity line). Some data first.

General info for all models:

Power: 230, 260 or 300 hp (three engines are available: the first one is for the 12-meter only and the last one is for the articulated only, so there's a choice of two engines in each length)
Length in front of front axle: 2.645 m
Length behind rear axle: 3.34 m
Total length: 11.985 m or 17.985 m
Width: 2.5 m
Height: 2.971 m (3.005 including A/C compartment)

Specific info for each model:

CN94UB4X2 UL3 (12 meter)
This is the urban three-door model.
Capacity: 24 seats, 84 standing

CN94UB4X2 SL2 (12 meter)
This is the suburban two-door model.
Capacity: 40 seats, 55 standing

CN94UB4X2 SL3 (12 meter)
The suburban three-door model.
Capacity: 37 seats, 55 standing.

CN94UA6X2/2 AU4 (18 meter)
The urban four-door model.
Capacity: 36 seats, 130 standing.

CN94UA6X2/2 AS3 (18 meter)
The suburban three-door model.
Capacity: 56 seats, 102 standing.

CN94UA6X2/2 AS4 (18 meter)
The suburban four-door model.
Capacity: 56 seats, 97 standing.

Here you got. These are official data (I found it on the Scania website itself).

I've also got the same kind of specs (drawings included) of another modern bus, the Iveco/Irisbus CityClass. Do you think you could be interested as well?

Snail wrote:Hmm.. wasn't Ikarbus the result of a spinoff of Ikarus Buses in 1991? AFAIK, it was just the Yugoslavian Ikarus Bus factory, which was renamed Ikarbus (Ikarus Buses itself was eventually acquired by Irisbus in 1998).
If so, all of the models earlier than 1991 were actually the same as Ikaruses, and George's set already includes many of them...

Ikarbus exists from 1923 as Ikarus till 1994 when changed name to Ikarbus. I intentionally named them Ikarbuses from earlier years to differ from Hungarian Ikarus. It was airplane factory till 1950s, and then it started to produce buses. Maybe it was part of Hungarian Ikarus, or maybe that were two fabrics with same name (communism, and trade marks?? ) Anyway, here are some pics, and you can compare Serbian and Hungarian buses:
IK-4 from 1960s
IK-6 from 1970s
IK series 100 from 1980s
George: I'll fix everything and post pics.

I see. Probably they were just two separate factories (one in Hungary and one in Serbia) of the same firm, which produced buses with the same design (chassis and mechanical parts) but different looking bodyworks. As far as I know, Ikaruses were even produced in Cuba under a different name!

I see Ikarbus built Saurer buses, too: they were probably built in Serbia under license using Swiss design. It would be great to have the original ones under the Saurer name for the Western European part (we still don't have any Saurers and it'd be great to have some). Do you think you could draw them, too?

EDIT: These look like the Saurers which were built under license by Ikarbus:



It'd be cool to have them under the original name! We could make them appear correctly as Saurers in the Western European part of LV, and rename them Ikarbus in the Eastern European part, how does it sound?

EDIT (again): D'oh, the link won't work. I'll post the pic here.

Hi George,

Wile E. Coyote gave me the idea of looking for Swiss vehicles for your LV set, and I found a fair amount of information about Steyr Puch's trucks and buses from the late forties to the late Sixties.

Here are the most interesting models I found (drawings can be found for all of them). To avoid a huge message, I'll only post the first pic of each and leave the rest as links.
Let's start with trucks:

The 1947 Steyr 380:


More images:
http://www.zuckerfabrik24.de/steyrpuch/ ... balfrk.jpg
http://www.zuckerfabrik24.de/steyrpuch/ ... 0_p6a4.jpg
http://www.zuckerfabrik24.de/steyrpuch/ ... 0_p6a5.jpg

The 1953 Steyr 380 II (evolution of the past one):


More images:
http://www.zuckerfabrik24.de/steyrpuch/pics/380g_b1.jpg
http://www.zuckerfabrik24.de/steyrpuch/ ... 0_2b14.jpg

The 1957 Steyr 480:


More images:
http://www.zuckerfabrik24.de/steyrpuch/pics/480bh2a.jpg
http://www.zuckerfabrik24.de/steyrpuch/ ... _bp106.jpg

In the same year the more powerful 580 was produced, even in an offroad version:


The offroad version is here:
http://www.zuckerfabrik24.de/steyrpuch/pics/580bh1.jpg
In 1960, the 586z version was introduces as enhancement of the 580:
http://www.zuckerfabrik24.de/steyrpuch/ ... 6zg_b8.jpg
http://www.zuckerfabrik24.de/steyrpuch/ ... p120_2.jpg

The 1959 Steyr 680:


In 1963 the 680 z and 680 Allrad (offroad) were introduced, they look more interesting:
http://www.zuckerfabrik24.de/steyrpuch/ ... za_b31.jpg
http://www.zuckerfabrik24.de/steyrpuch/ ... 680bh3.jpg
http://www.zuckerfabrik24.de/steyrpuch/ ... 80bh12.jpg
the last one is a 3-axle 680 M3.

In 1962 the evolution of the basic 680, called 780, was launched:


Eventually, in 1967 was launched the 880:
http://www.zuckerfabrik24.de/steyrpuch/ ... 80_p2c.jpg
which was available even in semi+trailer combination.

Now for the buses:

The 1949 Steyr 380 I Omnibus (which comes from the truck):


The 1953 Steyr 380 II Omnibus:


A local traffic version is at http://www.omnibusmuseum.at/images/628-01.jpg

The 1956 Steyr 480a:


The 1962 Steyr-Saurer 780:


Anything which could interest you? I think they'd be a nice addition especially in the Arctic climate, or better in the future Alpine Climate.
The webpage I got this info from is http://www.zuckerfabrik24.de, you can find pretty everything there. You'll also find info about some small trucks by Fiat.
I could provide you with info and drawings, but as I said, I won't be able todraw anything myself. Maybe the other artists might be interested?

Snail wrote:It would be great to have the original ones under the Saurer name for the Western European part (we still don't have any Saurers and it'd be great to have some). Do you think you could draw them, too?

I could try.

Snail wrote:It'd be cool to have them under the original name! We could make them appear correctly as Saurers in the Western European part of LV, and rename them Ikarbus in the Eastern European part, how does it sound?

Sounds good, I'll try in next few days to draw something.

It'd be cool to have them under the original name! We could make them appear correctly as Saurers in the Western European part of LV, and rename them Ikarbus in the Eastern European part, how does it sound?

Sounds good, I'll try in next few days to draw something.

Great. In the meantime I'll try to find the original name and data of that Saurer.

2George: I've got a drawing of the Alpenwagen too (here's a pic)



if you're interested. Hope you won't feel overwhelmed

Snail wrote:2George: I've got a drawing of the Alpenwagen too
if you're interested. Hope you won't feel overwhelmed

Unfortunaly, I do not have much of free time these days. And I'm not sure for the lot of free time in the near-term outlook
I shall find time to code the RV graphics of other RV artists, but doubt that I shall make something new myself.

It's good to me, I allways code my buses, so I hope that's coding is little useful to you.

George wrote:some shades are wrong (the upper part) and company colors are too sharp

Hmm... I can't see errors Would you show them to me?