Michael Blunck's new graphics [http://www.ttdpatch.de/]

[Dave]

I know I'm speaking of an old topic within the thread, but with this animated stations thing, it's possible to have people "emerge" from the station building as the train approaches?

[MJS]

You mean as if they'd been sheltering from the rain and come out from under the roof as the train approaches? How British.

[Dave]

You mean as if they'd been sheltering from the rain and come out from under the roof as the train approaches? How British.

Rather that than get soaked...

[michael blunck]

Mmh, sorry for breaking this cosy OT conversation ...

I have a question regarding the livery of the Intercity trains in the 1980s.

In these times, the BR 103 pulled trains which consisted of three first class coaches, the dining car and 5 or more second class coaches. The first class and dining coaches had a livery in red-beige, the second class coaches were painted in blue-beige colours.

I would really like to see these trains in the game. Did you ever think of integrating this in the DBSet?

This should be possible already because the 103 may haul local coaches after a certain date, i.e. having cream/red long-distance coaches (TEE) together with a dining-car and some additional ocean-blue/cream InterRegio coaches. (You´ll have to keep old coaches for this to work, though.)

[...] with this animated stations thing, it's possible to have people "emerge" from the station building as the train approaches?

See http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=425225#425225


And here´s something new (to get even further away from OT ):

Working along the lines of "city stations on slopes" as discussed recently, I´ve come up with a first sketch for this special feature. It loosely reminds of Berlin-Friedrichstrasse station.

regards
Michael

[Dave]

And here´s something new (to get even further away from OT ):

Working along the lines of "city stations on slopes" as discussed recently, I´ve come up with a first sketch for this special feature. It loosely reminds of Berlin-Friedrichstrasse station.

Sorry about that

Since you're using sprites from your other stations, does this mean that the building that you've used that represents the Berlin station would *only* appear when building on slopes?

What I mean is - how would you define how it was built. A seperate station class?

[lobster]

And here´s something new (to get even further away from OT ):

Working along the lines of "city stations on slopes" as discussed recently, I´ve come up with a first sketch for this special feature. It loosely reminds of Berlin-Friedrichstrasse station.

wow!

[peter1138]

Um, drool?

[wallyweb]

Working along the lines of "city stations on slopes" as discussed recently, I´ve come up with a first sketch for this special feature. It loosely reminds of Berlin-Friedrichstrasse station.

Oh wow! Excellent! And another class for the station list?

AAAAAaaaaaaaaaarggg! More Decisions! (runs away screaming and pulling his hair out)

[lws1984]

*goes to get some drool buckets*

Once again, MB amazes me with his talent.

[ISA]

holy moly, Nice work michael

[khamura]

Too much... detail... cannot... cope...!

[Dave]

Having contacted Acer from the family computer, they told me that "Display explosion due to inanimate amazement" wasn't part of the warranty for my laptop. They want to charge me 300 quid.

Pay up MB!

[wallyweb]

Having contacted Acer from the family computer, they told me that "Display explosion due to inanimate amazement" wasn't part of the warranty for my laptop. They want to charge me 300 quid.

Pay up MB!

What? You didn't read the EULA in the fine print in MB's do-no-read-me file? You should ... It's crafted almost as well as his drawings and code.

[earlwarren]

This should be possible already because the 103 may haul local coaches after a certain date, i.e. having cream/red long-distance coaches (TEE) together with a dining-car and some additional ocean-blue/cream InterRegio coaches. (You´ll have to keep old coaches for this to work, though.)

I don't mean the InterRegio coaches, I mean the oceanblue/ cream coaches like in the pictures attached...

[michael blunck]

[Will] the building [...] *only* appear when building on slopes?

What I mean is - how would you define how it was built. A seperate station class?

Well, yes. Firstly, o/c it´ll be in a separate class ("medium stations") and secondly, I hope that Csaba will write the necessary patch feature to allow stations checking the slopes of neighbouring tiles just as industries do.

Thanks for your interest, BTW.

I don't mean the InterRegio coaches, I mean the oceanblue/ cream coaches [...]

Yes, sorry. I was talking rubbish. O/c, the InterRegio is a long-distance coach as well, so that wouldn´t make much sense. What I wanted to tell you is that after 1990 it´s also possible to attach local coaches to the 103 and if these are those ocean-blue/cream ones (from after 1974) you´d get the desired effect.

Thinking about that, 1990 may be a little late, so I could well shift that date slightly back into the 1980s.

BTW, what types are those cream/blue coaches on your picture?

regards
Michael

[earlwarren]

What I wanted to tell you is that after 1990 it´s also possible to attach local coaches to the 103 and if these are those ocean-blue/cream ones (from after 1974) you´d get the desired effect.

Thinking about that, 1990 may be a little late, so I could well shift that date slightly back into the 1980s.

Yes that would be great shifting it back. But when looking at the carriage allocation scheme I think there aren't any local coaches that have the oceanblue/ cream look. Until 1979 there are the silverfishes. From 1979 until 1987 there is the S-Bahn and from 1987 there are the turquoise local coaches... There are merely trains from the "fast set" that have the oceanblue/ Cream livery from 1974 on... Is there any way to combine the red/ beige TEE coaches with the oceanblue/ cream coaches? It's a problem, as both are "fast" trains right?

BTW, what types are those cream/blue coaches on your picture?

It should be a mixture of Bm 234 compartment coaches and Bpmz 291 single aisle coaches

[michael blunck]

[...] when looking at the carriage allocation scheme I think there aren't any local coaches that have the oceanblue/ cream look.

Yes. It turns out that indeed my second answer was the wrong one. Seems I should take some time to play with my own set again.

You´re right, o/c there´s no ocean-blue/cream local coach.

There are merely trains from the "fast set" that have the oceanblue/ Cream livery from 1974 on... Is there any way to combine the red/ beige TEE coaches with the oceanblue/ cream coaches? It's a problem, as both are "fast" trains right?

Yes, that´s the problem, exactly. Although the 103 (and the 110 even more) has a rather sophisticated system of livery changing and overriding, it´s not possible to have long-distance coaches with different livery overrides/modifications attached to the 103 at the same time.

OTOH, some engines in the DBXL (e.g. the 110 or the BR01, BR18, ...) allow having long-distance coaches in different liveries simultaneously by manual refitting. I don´t recall, but reason for the 103 to not have this feature could be that passenger->passenger refitting had only be introduced into TTDPatch long after the 103 got its stable behaviour and secondly, although there are a couple of essential features in the official DB livery scheme, especially in later years they combined each with everything. That´s exactly the reason why the 103 may be used after 1990 rather "freely" without any livery override etc.

Now, the question would be what more to allow in special livery modifications for 103 hauled trains.

I could easily change it along the same lines as I did for the 110 and those steamers. E.g., for the 103 you´ll have an additional refitting option like "passengers(TEE) ./. passengers" (maybe after 1985 or so?) and for the latter you´ll get the normal ocean-blue/cream 1974s long-distance coach then.

Since your original problem seems to be based on the lack of "classes" (TEE-liveried coaches were first class, cream/blue were second class), this too would be a solution. But, although I recently introduced "classes" for coaches, I only did so for the very early stock which has usually quite different liveries (prussian stuff before DRG). I don´t think it would be a good idea to have classes for every coach, only to get that additional small yellow stripe in the DB era ...

I´d prefer the manual refitting solution.

regards
Michael

[earlwarren]

I could easily change it along the same lines as I did for the 110 and those steamers. E.g., for the 103 you´ll have an additional refitting option like "passengers(TEE) ./. passengers" (maybe after 1985 or so?) and for the latter you´ll get the normal ocean-blue/cream 1974s long-distance coach then.

That refitting option would be totally utterly awesome. The oldest pictures of the red/ cream-oceanblue/ cream intercities which I found date back to 1983. So you are quite right with 1985.

Since your original problem seems to be based on the lack of "classes" (TEE-liveried coaches were first class, cream/blue were second class), this too would be a solution. But, although I recently introduced "classes" for coaches, I only did so for the very early stock which has usually quite different liveries (prussian stuff before DRG). I don´t think it would be a good idea to have classes for every coach, only to get that additional small yellow stripe in the DB era ...

Well, the idea of classes would be even more awesome I think, as in the intercity era of the 1980s there's not only the yellow stripe and in the 50s and 60s, first class coaches were blue, second class coaches were green, so it would show... It only wouldn't show much on the fast trains with oceanblue/ cream livery from the 70s-80s fast trains, they merely had that yellow stripe... I think the idea of classes sounds totally cool. But I could also live with the refitting solution.

Greetings from David.

[michael blunck]

That refitting option would be totally utterly awesome. The oldest pictures of the red/ cream-oceanblue/ cream intercities which I found date back to 1983. So you are quite right with 1985.

OK, then I´ll do that change.

> I think the idea of classes sounds totally cool.

As already mentioned, classes will be included, although ATM there´s no first/second class choice (long-distance is identical to first class, so to speak) as you can see here:

regards
Michael

[earlwarren]

Thanks a lot Michael.

Keep up your great work.

BTW when speaking of 1st and 2nd class coaches... Could there also be different passenger classes like different cargo types? E.g. cities with a bank or generally big cities would have more 1st class passengers waiting at the train station, cities which are more industry oriented would have more second class, blue collar passengers? Then there would be a real need to really refit trains with 1st and 2nd class coaches...

Greetings from David.