"French Trains Set - freight rolling stock needs drawing
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Re: "French Trains Set - freight rolling stock needs drawing
Yes, it is possible and some people are doing it... however, since TTD wasn't really designed to do that, we decided to stick with standard sizes for this set.
I personally would have liked to draw trains like you did (they look more realistic), but the glitches they would incur into when on slopes or curves put me off (you would have wagons that bend in curves, or that get clipped so much that they would look as if they were derailing at each curve).
So, if you want your creations to be included in the set, you should follow standard measures... as for shading and detailing, they will come with experience you should just start working on them.
On the other hand, I think following TTD's palette is a must for everyone... isn't it?
I personally would have liked to draw trains like you did (they look more realistic), but the glitches they would incur into when on slopes or curves put me off (you would have wagons that bend in curves, or that get clipped so much that they would look as if they were derailing at each curve).
So, if you want your creations to be included in the set, you should follow standard measures... as for shading and detailing, they will come with experience you should just start working on them.
On the other hand, I think following TTD's palette is a must for everyone... isn't it?
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Re: "French Trains Set - freight rolling stock needs drawing
Hello ,
But the loco is very long , i can't do it in 32px . Else , it very very small and not beautiful .
If you want you can use my draws .
Good suite .
But the loco is very long , i can't do it in 32px . Else , it very very small and not beautiful .
If you want you can use my draws .
Good suite .
Re: "French Trains Set - freight rolling stock needs drawing
That's how TT has always been...Th0m@s wrote:But the loco is very long , i can't do it in 32px . Else , it very very small and not beautiful .
That's how every other TT trainset out there does it...
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Re: "French Trains Set - freight rolling stock needs drawing
Well, there was a Russian one that tried to experiment with doing what you're talking about. It did not work too well. The game just isn't designed to work that way.
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Re: "French Trains Set - freight rolling stock needs drawing
Texturing, colour and shape look very good.Snail wrote:the CC7100 I drew time ago
However, I feel the engine a bit too high in _ direction?
I always had some "lower" engines in the DB set (rather inconsistent ...), and I think that DanMack´s are also one pixel lower.
I simply removed one line (just to give an example of the new height):
How about that?
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Re: "French Trains Set - freight rolling stock needs drawing
I recall the CSSet also had most coaches and 'MU at a non-standard length. Some of 'em even used two slots to let a coach have a passenger and mail compartment at the same time. A very intelligent way to do things IMO.krtaylor wrote:Well, there was a Russian one that tried to experiment with doing what you're talking about. It did not work too well. The game just isn't designed to work that way.
However, I think the French set is better off with standard lengths.
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Hello ,
I have find the Newgrf , this the americain train set .
And the loco are long and i haven't no problem .
Good bye .
I have find the Newgrf , this the americain train set .
And the loco are long and i haven't no problem .
Good bye .
Re: "French Trains Set - freight rolling stock needs drawing
That's because the "long" locos are actually two or even three separate pieces. Watch them when they go around corners - they split in half. You could do the same thing with a passenger car if you wished, but it would look strange.
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Re: "French Trains Set - freight rolling stock needs drawing
The way we did it in the NARS with the Centennial was to code it as a multipart (3 unit) loco, but have a single sprite. The clipping isn't bad at all, and it actually looks pretty normal for TTD. I'm all for longer vehicles, especially if it works like this... but it would be a big step in TTD evolution, that's for sure.
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Re: "French Trains Set - freight rolling stock needs drawing
I did some tests with some real size imports from 3dsmax:
http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php? ... 05#p754305
The clipping isn't really that bad, only a little bit on the slopes.
The only big problem atm. is coupling this trains with carriages from other normal sets. When I do this they will attach in the middle of the loco instead of the end.
http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php? ... 05#p754305
The clipping isn't really that bad, only a little bit on the slopes.
The only big problem atm. is coupling this trains with carriages from other normal sets. When I do this they will attach in the middle of the loco instead of the end.
Re: "French Trains Set - freight rolling stock needs drawing
DanMack, your locomotive is interesting! I guess you technically coded it as a 3-part vehicle, but only assigned the sprite to the first (or middle?) part, right?
So far, the FRSet only has one locomotive that's longer than the standard length: it's the 2CC2 3400 of 1929, almost 24 meters long. I drew it as a two-part articulated engine, intended to be coded in two separate sprites therefore bending in half in curves, but DM's good results show that there might be a better way of coding it.
Theoretically, one could extend this to passenger carriages as well. What I would like to avoid for this set, is to have engines of the same length as carriages (very unrealistic). Perhaps drawing a 40-pixel-long pax carriage and code it in a similar way as DM suggested might have acceptable results in terms of proportions and looks in curves and bends. It might not be perfect, but I guess it could be worth a try... What do you think?
Of course, this would make it problematic to use different train sets at the same time. But that's a whole other can of worms. This set will not be intended to work with other sets as well (of course people will be able to use it like that, but at their own risk).
MB: Yours is a good point. I also hesitated a bit when it came to setting my electric locomotives' height. When you say inconsistent, you mean that not all of your locos have the same height, right? This is something I do with my steamers... I usually define different combinations of boiler and cab height to give the overall impression of how large and hefty the engine is. I'm attaching a sketch that shows three different sizes for different locomotives. Shunters and NG locos are even smaller, btw.
As for electrics, the variant you proposed probably gives a better idea of the proportions of the loco (it correctly looks longer), but then I guess the panto would need to be redrawn, because it wouldn't probably touch the catenary wire anymore. Another thing that put me off is that, by lowering it by one pixel, the sides would become 5 pixel high instead of 6. That's a 1/6 reduction in drawing area, which constraints even more the shading and detailing possibilities. And with crocodile-shaped engines, this would be even trickier. Do you have any particular criteria you use to set the height of your engines?
This issue is of course is strictly connected to defining the height of wagons, as well...
So far, the FRSet only has one locomotive that's longer than the standard length: it's the 2CC2 3400 of 1929, almost 24 meters long. I drew it as a two-part articulated engine, intended to be coded in two separate sprites therefore bending in half in curves, but DM's good results show that there might be a better way of coding it.
Theoretically, one could extend this to passenger carriages as well. What I would like to avoid for this set, is to have engines of the same length as carriages (very unrealistic). Perhaps drawing a 40-pixel-long pax carriage and code it in a similar way as DM suggested might have acceptable results in terms of proportions and looks in curves and bends. It might not be perfect, but I guess it could be worth a try... What do you think?
Of course, this would make it problematic to use different train sets at the same time. But that's a whole other can of worms. This set will not be intended to work with other sets as well (of course people will be able to use it like that, but at their own risk).
MB: Yours is a good point. I also hesitated a bit when it came to setting my electric locomotives' height. When you say inconsistent, you mean that not all of your locos have the same height, right? This is something I do with my steamers... I usually define different combinations of boiler and cab height to give the overall impression of how large and hefty the engine is. I'm attaching a sketch that shows three different sizes for different locomotives. Shunters and NG locos are even smaller, btw.
As for electrics, the variant you proposed probably gives a better idea of the proportions of the loco (it correctly looks longer), but then I guess the panto would need to be redrawn, because it wouldn't probably touch the catenary wire anymore. Another thing that put me off is that, by lowering it by one pixel, the sides would become 5 pixel high instead of 6. That's a 1/6 reduction in drawing area, which constraints even more the shading and detailing possibilities. And with crocodile-shaped engines, this would be even trickier. Do you have any particular criteria you use to set the height of your engines?
This issue is of course is strictly connected to defining the height of wagons, as well...
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Re: "French Trains Set - freight rolling stock needs drawing
you can see the problem description here (it is the same for RVs and trains): http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=41357Snail wrote:but DM's good results show that there might be a better way of coding it.
Re: "French Trains Set - freight rolling stock needs drawing
Some of the articulated locomotives such as the Challenger, Big Boy, etc. had the front section on a separate frame. On a sharp curve, it would actually leave the boiler hanging out to the outside of the curve. If you were drawing one of these as a three-part, if you kept the boiler as part of the middle sprite and let it "hang out" over the running gear, that would actually be accurate.
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Re: "French Trains Set - freight rolling stock needs drawing
Also done in NARS, with the Challenger and Mallet.ostlandr wrote:Some of the articulated locomotives such as the Challenger, Big Boy, etc. had the front section on a separate frame. On a sharp curve, it would actually leave the boiler hanging out to the outside of the curve. If you were drawing one of these as a three-part, if you kept the boiler as part of the middle sprite and let it "hang out" over the running gear, that would actually be accurate.
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trainboy2004 wrote: The only big problem atm. is coupling this trains with carriages from other normal sets. When I do this they will attach in the middle of the loco instead of the end.
You need to make it articulated, and not multihead. I can help you with that if you want to
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New Train for your set!
Hi, I'm french, and i live in eastern of France. I was draw an AGC (Automotrice à Grande Capacité=DMU hight Capacity) with colors of Franche Comté.
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Yes, i now: i have very bad english! sorry!
Hi, I'm french, and i live in eastern of France. I was draw an AGC (Automotrice à Grande Capacité=DMU hight Capacity) with colors of Franche Comté.
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photo AGV Z27590 In "Arc et Senans" station (at home!)
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Wow, it looks great !
Apart from windows and doors black highlighting, it's perfect, with an original curved look
If I can help you improving your English :
I drew an AGC (High Capacity DMU) with Franche-Comté colors.
Apart from windows and doors black highlighting, it's perfect, with an original curved look
If I can help you improving your English :
I live in eastern France.Mister Me wrote:Hi, I'm french, and i live in eastern of France. I was draw an AGC (Automotrice à Grande Capacité=DMU hight Capacity) with colors of Franche Comté.
I drew an AGC (High Capacity DMU) with Franche-Comté colors.
I can draw it but I don't know how to code a .nfo file.(i can draw but i don't now code a .nfo file!)
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Though you're artwork looks pretty nice, unfortunately the sprites are too big for Transport Tycoon. Please read my drawing tutorials (link in sig) for info about sprite sizes, color palette and lighting effects.Mister Me wrote:New Train for your set!
Hi, I'm french, and i live in eastern of France. I was draw an AGC (Automotrice à Grande Capacité=DMU hight Capacity) with colors of Franche Comté.
photo: wikipédia français: http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/TER_Franche-Comt%C3%A9
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Re: "French Trains Set - freight rolling stock needs drawing
Your scale is unfortunately completely off - more than twice as large as they should be. The width-length proportions are also not TTD-ish. In TTD the length will always have to be compressed, not realistic. See comparison picture:
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trops grands? bon ben... on va éssayer de réduire! (i will try drawn few size down!)
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