Strange but actually not so strange at all

[Mr.Killer]

Well, some people do let them hear.... Instead of answering, they give stupid rules.... as if giving stupid rules are part of the rules?


GOT YOU MORON'S

[DaleStan]

In the future, could you please
1) Remove those massive quantities of white from your images,
2) Not post bugs for a version that's nearly five hundred revisions old, and
3) Post MiniIN problems in the thread what calls itself "Post *** ALL MiniIN Problems *** Here"

[Ailure]

Besides you posted this two weeks ago... I don't know what the rules are on bumping around here but... I don't think reposting the thread is the way to go. >_>

Besides as Dalestan pointed out, test it in a newer version. :/

[Mr.Killer]

Oh, so you guys are the brave boys!!!
Well, i have a life besides waking every morning checking the forums.... There are a million forums. DUH!... And as i stated, i did not find my first Q, so i appologized for this, so if you guys read actually what i wrote, you did not had to be rude. Just an answer or directive would suffice...

THANK YOU!

Blistering eager beavers.....

(And this goes to Dalestan as well!)

Ps. as i stated in a normal fashion before... PUT A F****N LINK IN OTTD.ORG it's f****n hard to find the miniIN's. Maybe this sounds new to you.
And i can keep doin'this for a long time. It seems there is no head or tail in these forums. Do something about that and not nag at people who want to help. This won't help.

[DaleStan]

And as i stated, i did not find my first Q

There are less than 60 posts by you in the OpenTTD section. Assuming you remembered that you you posted in OpenTTD Problems, there are less than 30. If you can't be bothered to check thirty posts, we can't be bothered to help you.

Ps. as i stated in a normal fashion before... PUT A F****N LINK IN OTTD.ORG it's f****n hard to find the miniIN's.

It's not SUPPOSED to be easy to find the MiniIN. The MiniIN is not supported.

Also:
1) The MiniIN problems thread is a sticky, so you can ALWAYS find it at the top of this forum. And don't even try to claim you didn't know it existed. You've posted in it.
2) Editing your post just make you look like even more of a luser. Maybe you don't care about that, but if that's the case, why did you edit your post in the first place?
3) Bug reports for old versions are worse than useless, because the answer will always be "Upgrade to the latest version and try again." So just do so in the first place, and save everyone the trouble.

[Rubidium]

I've got a few remarks, though I do not (and cannot) know the solution for this bug (why I cannot know it is explained later):

• everyone here is volunteer; some people have serious cases of 'Real Life', meaning they do not show their face on the forums nor IRC channels. It can therefore take some time before the author of a patch replies.
• do not expect that a developer of a patch reads every subforum nor every thread; if you think it is a bug in the subsidiaries patch, post it in the subdisidaries problems thread, if that does not exist in the subsidiaries development thread.
• posting a bug with only an image does normally not suffice; how can one fix the bug when you have no way of knowing where/what the bug is? We need to be able to reproduce the bug and for that we usually need a savegame and a reproducable sequence of actions to reproduce the bug, like "open the savegame and start train number X" or just "it crashes two days after opening the savegame", or a reliable way to reproduce the bug without the savegame, like "make a new game with seed X, size YxZ, [other settings] and at position A,B there is a town with 0 inhabitants". A shorter way to reproduce is always better, so try to make a savegame that needs only one action or very few actions. To compare: can you tell me who killed a person and what caused the killer to kill the person purely on a single photo?
• posting a bug for a version that is 'old', i.e. nightlies & MiniINs from a few days ago, 0.4.7 when 0.4.8 is the latest etc usually means you have not tried whether the bug is already fixed in a later version. Therefore we ask the users to try to reproduce it in the latest version (at a given time) so the developers can see whether it still happens. Not doing so means that you (might) waste time of developers could have used to implement new features/fix other bugs.
• there are some rules about posting at this forum and Dalestan only asks you to obey these rules in your next threads. If it is not said the forum becomes one big mess and it would take even more time of the developers to see whether a new thread influences their patch(es).
• the fact that MiniIN is not on the frontpage is that it is not supported by the OpenTTD developers as a whole, though there are some OpenTTD developers who support it. If we would add it to the frontpage of openttd.org it would imply that it is supported by the OpenTTD developers. Furthermore if you think there needs to be a place where all spin-offs of OpenTTD are listed, what about the wiki. That is made by and for users and does therefore not imply that the spin-offs are supported by the OpenTTD developers? Secondly adding MiniIN to the frontpage, as it technically is not a spin-off, would mean we need to add the subsidiaries patch and countless other 'large' patches to the frontpage. Even if the developers know that some patches do not work as intended in all cases. Furthermore there was an offer to create something like miniin.community.openttd.org or community.openttd.org/~miniin, but the author of the MiniIN deemed it unnecessary (those URL even work, though they are only placeholders).
• the rules and guidelines on this forum are there to improve the workflow and efficiency of the developers.
• and yes, I have now used quite some time I could have used for developing OpenTTD.

So please try to reproduce this bug in the latest MiniIN and post a savegame and a way to reproduce in the "Post *** ALL MiniIN Problems *** Here" thread. Then there might be somebody who notices and has enough information to either fix this bug or give you some informed information about the savegame. The savegame might, for example, be corrupted some time before.

[Darkvater]

Let me add to this discussion:

- In general if you find a bug in MiniIN, post the bug in the sticky topic. As said you can find it at the top of the 'OpenTTD Problems' forum. Or even better, since you have posted there is a View your posts link at the top-right side when you come to the forums with a link to every post you have posted in!
- If you find a bug in a stable release like 0.4.8, 0.4.7 etc. we ask of you the following: If it is in a previous release from before 0.4.8 do upgrade to 0.4.8 and test if bug happens there. If it does, you do not have to upgrade to a nightly, although preferrable. If the problem is reproducable in 0.4.8 we can check whether it is so, and if a fix is deemed.

[Mr.Killer]

These remarks you kindly take time to put here are well appreciated, though, as i stated before, i was not aware, or the mail reply must have missed me, though, i did not know that my first problem was fixed and\or replied on, so forgive me for putting things so dramatic, i thought to help, that's all, not being pissed on.

But very far from this meaningless and boring discussion.... YOU DO A HELL OF A JOB!

Well, merry X-mas.....

[Mr.Killer]

There are less than 60 posts by you in the OpenTTD section. Assuming you remembered that you you posted in OpenTTD Problems, there are less than 30. If you can't be bothered to check thirty posts, we can't be bothered to help you.

I'm not in the mood for checking every thing in this forum. When i play and find a bug, i try, You hear? I TRY to find a similar problem. You guys point always to the forums when finding actually a problem takes more time then to write a new Q; so i did. Sorry for being helpfull.

It's not SUPPOSED to be easy to find the MiniIN. The MiniIN is not supported..

Not supported? in wich way NOT? There is a forum, a download section, there are people working on improvement??? What is not supported then? Ah, sorry, let me answer my own Q: Dear Mr. Killer, BLA BLA BLA....

Also:
1) The MiniIN problems thread is a sticky, so you can ALWAYS find it at the top of this forum. And don't even try to claim you didn't know it existed. You've posted in it.

That i know Dan! It's harder to find an updated version of MiniIN, and i like playing it darn!

2) Editing your post just make you look like even more of a luser. Maybe you don't care about that, but if that's the case, why did you edit your post in the first place?.

Do you mean why i removed it? You superguys told so nicely to me that it was 'stupid' to post twice, and 'stupid' to have the blank space in the pictures. Be glad i took time to convert to PNG! And while you are peeing at me, it is LOSER!

3) Bug reports for old versions are worse than useless, because the answer will always be "Upgrade to the latest version and try again." So just do so in the first place, and save everyone the trouble..

And Dan, do you know what? I still don't know if my problem exists anymore, nor what the solution is.....
I am not an angry person, just a huge fan from day one. Do not forget that this thing you dev's do is widely appreciated, but when i try to help i alway wind up against some person who think that i am the most unexperienced and dumb person in the world. It is maybe not your intension to hurt people, but sometimes people do not realize that they do.
I hope you understand this....

And typing here a lot, i could play and test the latest version...

[Griff]

Perhaps you could try not to hurt people then also..because the Dev's do not appreciate it. You may not be aware you are hurting people but all along this thread you seem to have a bad attitude and you are only nice when someone does something for you.

Be glad i took time to convert to PNG! And while you are peeing at me, it is LOSER!

That, for instance will not make you any friends here. Everyone else is generally satisfied with the help they are given..Perhaps if you are going to continue to stay here you could try being patient when you have a problem.

[Darkvater]

I'll just lock this for the sake of sanity of some forumers. If anyone has problems; PM me.