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TrueTenacity · Post by **TrueTenacity** » 23 Mar 2006 12:22

is there going to be a patch for the new OTTD 4.6?

Brianetta · Post by **Brianetta** » 23 Mar 2006 12:46

TrueTenacity wrote:is there going to be a patch for the new OTTD 4.6?

One has to ask why...?

TrueTenacity · Post by **TrueTenacity** » 23 Mar 2006 13:20

OTTD 4.6 was released a few days ago... but if you use the ELRails patch you're using the old engine for the game... so you're faced with one or the other till a new version is released for the new engine...

egladil · Post by **egladil** » 23 Mar 2006 13:50

Actually, elrail uses more new features than 0.4.6, as it is (almost) up to date with trunk, while 0.4.6 only had some backported (to 0.4.5) bugfixes.

CharlyHRO · Post by **CharlyHRO** » 23 Mar 2006 14:05

TrueTenacity wrote:OTTD 4.6 was released a few days ago...

No no, it was released yesterday. And the correct version number is 0.4.6... Nightly r4026 was also released yesterday.

But I found a bug in elrail r4026. When loading an old savegame (before elrail) the track type isn't converted at all. And because of this it happens that maglevs drive on monorails, monorail engines drive on electrified rail and rail engines (steam, diesel AND electric) drive on normal rails.

screenshots will follow...

EDIT: screenshots added

Bjarni · Post by **Bjarni** » 23 Mar 2006 14:06

Ch'marr wrote:
TrueLight wrote:New binaries released
Awesome... still missing the OS/X port, though. Sorry to seem pushy

look at the first post. I uploaded the OSX binary there (and I did so long before you posted this request

)

TrueTenacity · Post by **TrueTenacity** » 23 Mar 2006 14:11

cool!

Post by **TrueBrain** » 23 Mar 2006 14:47

TrueTenacity wrote:OTTD 4.6 was released a few days ago... but if you use the ELRails patch you're using the old engine for the game... so you're faced with one or the other till a new version is released for the new engine...

LOL! What a piece of bulls*** you wrote, sorry to say

First of all, 0.4.6 is released, not 4.6. Second, 0.4.6 is a backport from the mainline to 0.4.5, not including all things in the mainline. elrail is in full sync with the mainline. You do the math.
And.... it has nothing to do with any 'engine'. 0.4.6 is solo a bug-fix release.....

Anyway, next time, please check things before you tell others 'how it really is'

TrueTenacity · Post by **TrueTenacity** » 23 Mar 2006 15:31

Forgive me o' awesome one...

Celestar · Post by **Celestar** » 24 Mar 2006 08:27

Ok once again. How to report a bug:

1) A bug report without a savegame attached is not of big help usually. ESPECIALLY if the bug might be save or load related.

2) A bug report on the forums is much more likely to be overlooked than one that is posted on the bug tracker. Not every post is read by the devs, so PLEASE use the bug tracker. It's a hell of a job to remember "oh there was a bug report about feature foobar on the forums" and then you scan for a single post ...

Thanks Celestar

bobingabout · Post by **bobingabout** » 24 Mar 2006 09:08

Celestar wrote: 2) A bug report on the forums is much more likely to be overlooked than one that is posted on the bug tracker. Not every post is read by the devs, so PLEASE use the bug tracker. It's a hell of a job to remember "oh there was a bug report about feature foobar on the forums" and then you scan for a single post ...

ok, in this case you are wrong, we have been spacificly told not to post bugs in the bug tracker for this branch of OTTD, but to spacificly post bugs on this forum page.

Brianetta · Post by **Brianetta** » 24 Mar 2006 09:11

bobingabout wrote:
Celestar wrote: 2) A bug report on the forums is much more likely to be overlooked than one that is posted on the bug tracker. Not every post is read by the devs, so PLEASE use the bug tracker. It's a hell of a job to remember "oh there was a bug report about feature foobar on the forums" and then you scan for a single post ...
ok, in this case you are wrong, we have been spacificly told not to post bugs in the bug tracker for this branch of OTTD, but to spacificly post bugs on this forum page.

Celestar has just overridden that instruction with the "PLEASE use the bug tracker" that you just quoted back at him. He's not reminding people of procedure, he's changing it.

Bjarni · Post by **Bjarni** » 24 Mar 2006 09:58

Brianetta wrote:
bobingabout wrote:
Celestar wrote: 2) A bug report on the forums is much more likely to be overlooked than one that is posted on the bug tracker. Not every post is read by the devs, so PLEASE use the bug tracker. It's a hell of a job to remember "oh there was a bug report about feature foobar on the forums" and then you scan for a single post ...
ok, in this case you are wrong, we have been spacificly told not to post bugs in the bug tracker for this branch of OTTD, but to spacificly post bugs on this forum page.
Celestar has just overridden that instruction with the "PLEASE use the bug tracker" that you just quoted back at him. He's not reminding people of procedure, he's changing it.

it appears so, so I just added a Category named elrails (sub category to vehicles) so we still got some sort of seperation of the elrail bugs and trunk bugs

bobingabout · Post by **bobingabout** » 24 Mar 2006 15:10

Bjarni wrote:
Brianetta wrote:
bobingabout wrote:ok, in this case you are wrong, we have been spacificly told not to post bugs in the bug tracker for this branch of OTTD, but to spacificly post bugs on this forum page.
Celestar has just overridden that instruction with the "PLEASE use the bug tracker" that you just quoted back at him. He's not reminding people of procedure, he's changing it.
it appears so, so I just added a Category named elrails (sub category to vehicles) so we still got some sort of seperation of the elrail bugs and trunk bugs

if there is a seperate catagory now, thats different. i take it back then.

Ch'marr · Post by **Ch'marr** » 24 Mar 2006 18:33

Bjarni wrote:look at the first post. I uploaded the OSX binary there (and I did so long before you posted this request )

Oh, sorry, I assumed "new binaries released" meant there was a new version of elrail released; a later one than the one in the initial announcement.

(Or, is that still true?

)

Edit: Oh, I see, you edited your post to update the binary there. I didn't even consider that... I turned that feature off on my own board

Bjarni · Post by **Bjarni** » 25 Mar 2006 12:19

ebik wrote:Hmm. and three (and more) line caternaries?

Like
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These are used mainly on stations (not usable with ottd stations), but also before and after stations where are more than two lines.

I guess you mean like this: http://www.tellerup.se/jarnvag/bild/031316.jpg

It would be nice if we could get something like that in OpenTTD, though it's not the highest priority

and before you ask, yes it's not a completely random locomotive. In fact I looked for the locomotive and thought of this thread when I saw this pic

Thief^ · Post by **Thief^** » 26 Mar 2006 01:24

I started a game in 2001 to test elrails (built to newest revision myself). I like the new feature where trains with mixed electric and regular can run on normal track with the electric trains turned off, and I thought, it would be nice if when trains of different speeds are joined the whole set had a max speed of the highest engine but only used the power of trains that can go that fast.
ie. TIM (150MPH, 7000HP) + SH125 (125MPH, 4500HP) runs at 11500HP at up to 125MPH and 7000HP up to 150MPH. Obviously only on electric rail, as the TIM is an electric train.
What do you think?

Bjarni · Post by **Bjarni** » 26 Mar 2006 01:33

Thief^ wrote:I started a game in 2001 to test elrails (built to newest revision myself). I like the new feature where trains with mixed electric and regular can run on normal track with the electric trains turned off, and I thought, it would be nice if when trains of different speeds are joined the whole set had a max speed of the highest engine but only used the power of trains that can go that fast.
ie. TIM (150MPH, 7000HP) + SH125 (125MPH, 4500HP) runs at 11500HP at up to 125MPH and 7000HP up to 150MPH. Obviously only on electric rail, as the TIM is an electric train.
What do you think?

we already decided against this because SH125 is designed to deal with 125 MPH and risk breaking stuff if it goes 150 MPH, even when pulled and not on own power

Thief^ · Post by **Thief^** » 26 Mar 2006 01:42

Maybe as a patch option then.

Or maybe newgrf should have a separate speed for the speed an engine can be pulled to (like the option for speed a wagon can be pulled to). I would think that the wheels and axels on many trains are designed for higher speeds than the trains themselves, so with the train's engine disconnected from the axels (clutch or neutral gear or whatever) it could be pulled faster than it's own powered top speed. I don't think steam engines have gears though, so they might not be able to do this.

Brianetta · Post by **Brianetta** » 26 Mar 2006 02:06

Bjarni wrote:SH125 is designed to deal with 125 MPH and risk breaking stuff if it goes 150 MPH, even when pulled and not on own power

s/even/especially/

When the class 91 was first being tested, there were not yet any mark IV carriages or DVTs. HST125 power cars (class 43) were used, initially with the engine running idle. Turns out they were a fire risk when used in such a way, and most testing was performed with a fully powered up HST power car, giving a total of 7000 HP. Lovely. [1]

As for the HST having trouble at higher speeds than 125mph, that's probably not quite correct, especially since the locomotives have been getting nice new engines over the last few weeks. [2] Even before the upgrade, they were rated to run at 148mph just fine, but signalling issues prevent any train running at speeds greater than 125mph.

[1] http://www.traintesting.com/IC225.htm
[2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Speed ... The_future

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