[OTTD] BRTrains - Development Thread
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Re: [OTTD] BRTrains - Development Thread
FIRS Industry Replacement Set (released) | HEQS Heavy Equipment Set (trucks, industrial trams and more) (finished)
Unsinkable Sam (ships) (preview released) | CHIPS Has Improved Players' Stations (finished)
Iron Horse ((trains) (released) | Termite (tracks for Iron Horse) (released) | Busy Bee (game script) (released)
Road Hog (road vehicles and trams) (released)
Unsinkable Sam (ships) (preview released) | CHIPS Has Improved Players' Stations (finished)
Iron Horse ((trains) (released) | Termite (tracks for Iron Horse) (released) | Busy Bee (game script) (released)
Road Hog (road vehicles and trams) (released)
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Re: [OTTD] BRTrains - Development Thread
FIRS Industry Replacement Set (released) | HEQS Heavy Equipment Set (trucks, industrial trams and more) (finished)
Unsinkable Sam (ships) (preview released) | CHIPS Has Improved Players' Stations (finished)
Iron Horse ((trains) (released) | Termite (tracks for Iron Horse) (released) | Busy Bee (game script) (released)
Road Hog (road vehicles and trams) (released)
Unsinkable Sam (ships) (preview released) | CHIPS Has Improved Players' Stations (finished)
Iron Horse ((trains) (released) | Termite (tracks for Iron Horse) (released) | Busy Bee (game script) (released)
Road Hog (road vehicles and trams) (released)
Re: [OTTD] BRTrains - Development Thread
Yeah it doesn't seem to be on that link either - the repository is present but it looks to be a VERY early version as far as I can see, with almost no work done
What happened to the Devzone repository? Is there any chance of it being available again/recovered etc? Or at least access to the files on it?
EDIT: Found the dropbox link (a few pages back)
What happened to the Devzone repository? Is there any chance of it being available again/recovered etc? Or at least access to the files on it?
EDIT: Found the dropbox link (a few pages back)
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Re: [OTTD] BRTrains - Development Thread
we need our BRTrains Back!
Only ever been on 2 185's and 144 023!
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Re: [OTTD] BRTrains - Development Thread
What do you need "back", exactly?
(Not being facetious, just wondering if there's something specific you'd like to see)
(Not being facetious, just wondering if there's something specific you'd like to see)
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Re: [OTTD] BRTrains - Development Thread
The whole development, so we can see things e.g. More steam locos
Only ever been on 2 185's and 144 023!
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Re: [OTTD] BRTrains - Development Thread
I don't want to poop on this needs-wants party, but I think the project is dead.
FIRS Industry Replacement Set (released) | HEQS Heavy Equipment Set (trucks, industrial trams and more) (finished)
Unsinkable Sam (ships) (preview released) | CHIPS Has Improved Players' Stations (finished)
Iron Horse ((trains) (released) | Termite (tracks for Iron Horse) (released) | Busy Bee (game script) (released)
Road Hog (road vehicles and trams) (released)
Unsinkable Sam (ships) (preview released) | CHIPS Has Improved Players' Stations (finished)
Iron Horse ((trains) (released) | Termite (tracks for Iron Horse) (released) | Busy Bee (game script) (released)
Road Hog (road vehicles and trams) (released)
Re: [OTTD] BRTrains - Development Thread
Oh it very much isn't.
The repository has 58 commits since the start of September, including
- Re-drawn 170 (including fixing the "Only has the Central Trains livery" bug)
- Added pacers (Classes 140, 141, 142, 143, 144)
- Avanti and another Virgin livery for the 390
- New class 333
- Heathrow Express livery for the Electrostar
- Class 47 and 57 added, with about a dozen liveries
- New Northern livery added to most of the fleet
- Addition of most of the units from the MUTS expansion (800/802/805, 755, 769, 68+Mk5a, 195, 331, 345, 397, 701, 707, 710, 720, 745, 777, 807) and some work on making their liveries more consistent with the rest of the set (mostly updating BRTrains units to the MUTS liveries)
- New TPE livery for the 185
- Re-drawn 319
And a bunch of other bugfixes and some work on re-scaling some of the worst offending units, consolidating liveries between units (GWR is one of the worst offenders) etc
When I asked if there's anything they particularly felt was missing, it was so I could add those things to the to-do list
The repository has 58 commits since the start of September, including
- Re-drawn 170 (including fixing the "Only has the Central Trains livery" bug)
- Added pacers (Classes 140, 141, 142, 143, 144)
- Avanti and another Virgin livery for the 390
- New class 333
- Heathrow Express livery for the Electrostar
- Class 47 and 57 added, with about a dozen liveries
- New Northern livery added to most of the fleet
- Addition of most of the units from the MUTS expansion (800/802/805, 755, 769, 68+Mk5a, 195, 331, 345, 397, 701, 707, 710, 720, 745, 777, 807) and some work on making their liveries more consistent with the rest of the set (mostly updating BRTrains units to the MUTS liveries)
- New TPE livery for the 185
- Re-drawn 319
And a bunch of other bugfixes and some work on re-scaling some of the worst offending units, consolidating liveries between units (GWR is one of the worst offenders) etc
When I asked if there's anything they particularly felt was missing, it was so I could add those things to the to-do list
Jon
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Re: [OTTD] BRTrains - Development Thread
FIRS Industry Replacement Set (released) | HEQS Heavy Equipment Set (trucks, industrial trams and more) (finished)
Unsinkable Sam (ships) (preview released) | CHIPS Has Improved Players' Stations (finished)
Iron Horse ((trains) (released) | Termite (tracks for Iron Horse) (released) | Busy Bee (game script) (released)
Road Hog (road vehicles and trams) (released)
Unsinkable Sam (ships) (preview released) | CHIPS Has Improved Players' Stations (finished)
Iron Horse ((trains) (released) | Termite (tracks for Iron Horse) (released) | Busy Bee (game script) (released)
Road Hog (road vehicles and trams) (released)
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Re: [OTTD] BRTrains - Development Thread
Woah didn't expect that lol
Only ever been on 2 185's and 144 023!
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Re: [OTTD] BRTrains - Development Thread
does the class 67 have royal sovereign livery? because i tried to refit it and theres no royal claret livery available.
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Re: [OTTD] BRTrains - Development Thread
No. Sorry
Only ever been on 2 185's and 144 023!
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Re: [OTTD] BRTrains - Development Thread
Currently, no. In future, absolutely yes.
The sprites are drawn and most of the code is there, I haven't actually checked yet why it doesn't show up - most likely it will be because it wasn't quite finished at the last release - but it shouldn't be too much hassle to add it and I intend to do so
Jon
Re: [OTTD] BRTrains - Development Thread
Any idea when the update will be out?audigex wrote: ↑19 Oct 2020 17:25 Oh it very much isn't.
The repository has 58 commits since the start of September, including
- Re-drawn 170 (including fixing the "Only has the Central Trains livery" bug)
- Added pacers (Classes 140, 141, 142, 143, 144)
- Avanti and another Virgin livery for the 390
- New class 333
- Heathrow Express livery for the Electrostar
- Class 47 and 57 added, with about a dozen liveries
- New Northern livery added to most of the fleet
- Addition of most of the units from the MUTS expansion (800/802/805, 755, 769, 68+Mk5a, 195, 331, 345, 397, 701, 707, 710, 720, 745, 777, 807) and some work on making their liveries more consistent with the rest of the set (mostly updating BRTrains units to the MUTS liveries)
- New TPE livery for the 185
- Re-drawn 319
And a bunch of other bugfixes and some work on re-scaling some of the worst offending units, consolidating liveries between units (GWR is one of the worst offenders) etc
When I asked if there's anything they particularly felt was missing, it was so I could add those things to the to-do list
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Re: [OTTD] BRTrains - Development Thread
Really it just comes down to “when it’s ready” or “when I run out of time to dedicate to the project for now”, whichever comes first
I’ve got a couple more models that I definitely want to fix (319 is a big one) before there will be a release, but it’s also a question of adding enough to be worthwhile overall - I’d rather release a few big updates rather than lots of piecemeal ones, because I don’t think most people update their GRFs too often. Maybe a month or so if I get a good amount of time over the Christmas period (not gonna be doing much partying this year, but I’m damned if I’m gonna work!)
If you join the discord though, I can always send a current test copy of you want to take a look
I’ve got a couple more models that I definitely want to fix (319 is a big one) before there will be a release, but it’s also a question of adding enough to be worthwhile overall - I’d rather release a few big updates rather than lots of piecemeal ones, because I don’t think most people update their GRFs too often. Maybe a month or so if I get a good amount of time over the Christmas period (not gonna be doing much partying this year, but I’m damned if I’m gonna work!)
If you join the discord though, I can always send a current test copy of you want to take a look
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Re: [OTTD] BRTrains - Development Thread
That would be great. Whats the discord?
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Re: [OTTD] BRTrains - Development Thread
Just a quick hello to say cheers for all of this. I've been using BRTrains in a game i've had running form onths on end now, no bugs or glitches or oddities. Really great work, and it's awesome to see it sounds like another version will be out later with even more stuff, from what i've read.
Re: [OTTD] BRTrains - Development Thread
So I've been working on this for far too long, off and on, and decided that I should probably release something otherwise I could keep going forever and never have it perfect.
When I took over on the set I had two goals
- Fix the glaringly bad errors
- Add some modern units and liveries so that you can pretty much create the modern network
There are about 40 entirely new units, and about 20 more that have been re-drawn. I've lost track of how many new unit-livery combinations have been added, but it's well into the hundreds
As it is, I feel like the majority of the worst offending "bad" units have been re-drawn, the worst of the sprite alignment issues have been fixed, the worst of the glaringly bad liveries or livery inconsistencies have been fixed, and the worst of the badly-out-of-scale units have been fixed... it's a much better set than it was a couple of years ago
So, it's almost time for a release. Changelog included in the next comment because, well... it's a bit big
Currently I have two or three items to complete before release
- Consolidate the 80X units and liveries
- Add the FLiRT units (mostly drawn already)
- Re-draw the Aventra (745? The Crossrail one) and include the other new versions based on that rework
When I took over on the set I had two goals
- Fix the glaringly bad errors
- Add some modern units and liveries so that you can pretty much create the modern network
There are about 40 entirely new units, and about 20 more that have been re-drawn. I've lost track of how many new unit-livery combinations have been added, but it's well into the hundreds
As it is, I feel like the majority of the worst offending "bad" units have been re-drawn, the worst of the sprite alignment issues have been fixed, the worst of the glaringly bad liveries or livery inconsistencies have been fixed, and the worst of the badly-out-of-scale units have been fixed... it's a much better set than it was a couple of years ago
So, it's almost time for a release. Changelog included in the next comment because, well... it's a bit big
Currently I have two or three items to complete before release
- Consolidate the 80X units and liveries
- Add the FLiRT units (mostly drawn already)
- Re-draw the Aventra (745? The Crossrail one) and include the other new versions based on that rework
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Re: [OTTD] BRTrains - Development Thread
Status update/changelog (not including livery changes included as part of a rework or new unit)
Anything labelled as "Re-drawn (new model)" or "New Unit"
should have most/all modern liveries, but I'm too lazy
to add them all individually
New build process based on MUTS
Added a passenger capacity multiplier parameter
.. So you can have huge games with a realistic number of trains
.. I got bored of needing 8 car Sprinters
Fixed various animation errors
Fixed various alignment errors
Fixed some introductory dates
- Re-drawn (new model)
LONDON UNDERGROUND
- Added A stock (A60/A62)
- Added C stock (C69/C77)
- Added D stock (D78)
- Reworked S stock (S7/S8)
- Added 1938 Stock
- Added 1967 Stock
- Added 1986 Stock
- Added 1992 Stock
- Added 1995 Stock
- Added 1996 Stock
- Added 2009 Stock
31
- New unit
37
- Re-drawn (new model)
- Added Police livery
43 (/Intercity 125)
- Fixed sprite alignment
- Fixed height of some diagonals
- Various graphical fixes
- Fixed weight
- Consolidated Grand Central livery with 180
- Added Inter7City livery
- Added LNER livery
- Added Blue Pullman livery
47
- New unit
57
- New unit
67
- Re-drawn (new model)
68
- Re-drawn (new model)
68 + Mk5a coach rake
- Added unit from MUTS
- Added TPE (modern) livery
70 (The Southern Rail OG version...)
- New unit
70 (The modern one)
- Re-drawn (new model)
71 (The Southern Rail OG)
- New unit
89
- New unit
90
- Added Intercity livery
- Added Greater Anglia livery
- Added Freightliner liveries
- Added ONE livery
- Added Virgin livery
- Added Rail Express livery
- Added First Scotrail livery
- Added GNER livery
91
- Fixed alignment
121
- New unit
139
- New unit
140
- New unit modified from existing art
141
- New unit modified from existing art
142
- New unit modified from existing art
143
- New unit modified from existing art
150
- Added TfW livery
153
- Added Scotrail Saltire livery
- Added TfW livery
155
- Added Northern (modern) livery
156
- Added Northern (modern) livery
- Improved GWR livery for consistency
- Added EMR (Maroon and white) livery
- Added Scotrail (Saltire) livery
158
- Added Northern (modern) livery
- Added EMR (Maroon and white) livery
- Added SWR livery
- Added Scotrail (Saltire) livery
- Added TfW livery
168
- New unit
- Includes both Networker and Turbostar cab variants
170
- Re-drawn (new model)
- Included some liveries that were drawn but not coded (London Midland, ONE, Scotrail Saltire, South West Trains, First Barbie, NatEx Scotrail, Midland Mainline, SPT, Greater Anglia)
- Added some additional liveries (TfW, AtW, Scotrail, Scotrail Saltire, West Midlandds Railway, EMR Regional)
171
- New unit based on 170 rework
175
- Re-drawn (new model)
- Added TfW livery
180
- Consolidated Grand Central livery with class 43
- Added EMR (Maroon and white) livery
185
- Added TPE (modern) livery
- Improved frontend design
- Fixed scaling inconsistency with the rest of the set
195
- Added unit from MUTS
196
- New unit
197
- New unit
220
- Minor fixes
221
- Added Avanti West Coast livery
222
- Added EMR Intercity (Maroon) livery
- Added EMR (Maroon and white) livery
- Fixed a bug where the rear cars were smaller than the rest
230
- New unit
310
- New unit
317
- New unit
318
- New unit
319
- Re-drawn (new model)
- Added Northern (mdoern) livery
323
- Shape improvements
- Added Northern livery
- Added WMR livery
325
- New unit (reworked from graphics in the repository)
326
- New unit
331
- Added unit from MUTS
333
- New unit
334
- New unit
345
- Added unit from MUTS
350
- Re-drawn (new model)
357
- Re-drawn (new model)
375
- New unit
376
- New unit
377
- Re-drawn (new model)
378
- Re-drawn (new model)
- Improved GWR livery for consistency
379
- Reworked
387
- Re-drawn (new model)
- Added Heathrow Express livery
- Reworked GWR livery
390
- Added Avanti West Coast livery
- Added Virgin "Flowing Silk" livery
397
- Added unit from MUTS
- Added TPE (modern) livery
442
- Added SWR livery
- Rework pending
444
- Re-drawn (new model)
- Added SWR livery
450
- Re-drawn (new model)
- Added SWR livery
455
- Re-drawn (new model)
456
- Re-drawn (new model)
483
- New unit
484
- New unit
504
- New unit
700
- Added unit from MUTS
- Re-drawn (new model)
701
- Added unit from MUTS
- Re-drawn (new model)
707
- New unit
710
- Added unit from MUTS
- Re-drawn (new model)
717
- New unit
720
- Added unit from MUTS
- Re-drawn (new model)
745
- Added unit from MUTS
- Re-drawn (new model)
755
- Added unit from MUTS
- Re-drawn (new model)
756
- Added unit from MUTS
768
- New unit
769
- Re-drawn (new model based on 319 re-work)
- Improved GWR livery for consistency
777
- Added unit from MUTS
800
- Added TPE (modern) livery
- Re-drawn (new model)
801
- Added unit from MUTS
- Re-drawn (new model)
802
- Added unit from MUTS
- Improved GWR livery for consistency
- Re-drawn (new model)
805 *Temporarily disabled until the unit is actually on the network in a real livery*
- Added unit from MUTS
- Re-drawn (new model)
807 *Temporarily disabled until the unit is actually on the network in a real livery*
- Added unit from MUTS
LNER A1, LNER A3
- Fixed some animation errors
GWR Great Bear
- New Unit
GWR Hall Class
- New Unit
Mk2 Coach
- Improved alignment
Mk3 DVT
- New unit
Mk3 Sleeper
- New unit
Mk5 Sleeper
- New unit
Hopper wagon BRHHA
- Modernized cargo refit choices
Tanker wagon BRTTA
- New unit
Container Flatbed wagon
- New unit
Travelling Post Office wagon
- New unit
- Includes DVT/PCV (graphical only)
Anything labelled as "Re-drawn (new model)" or "New Unit"
should have most/all modern liveries, but I'm too lazy
to add them all individually
New build process based on MUTS
Added a passenger capacity multiplier parameter
.. So you can have huge games with a realistic number of trains
.. I got bored of needing 8 car Sprinters
Fixed various animation errors
Fixed various alignment errors
Fixed some introductory dates
- Re-drawn (new model)
LONDON UNDERGROUND
- Added A stock (A60/A62)
- Added C stock (C69/C77)
- Added D stock (D78)
- Reworked S stock (S7/S8)
- Added 1938 Stock
- Added 1967 Stock
- Added 1986 Stock
- Added 1992 Stock
- Added 1995 Stock
- Added 1996 Stock
- Added 2009 Stock
31
- New unit
37
- Re-drawn (new model)
- Added Police livery
43 (/Intercity 125)
- Fixed sprite alignment
- Fixed height of some diagonals
- Various graphical fixes
- Fixed weight
- Consolidated Grand Central livery with 180
- Added Inter7City livery
- Added LNER livery
- Added Blue Pullman livery
47
- New unit
57
- New unit
67
- Re-drawn (new model)
68
- Re-drawn (new model)
68 + Mk5a coach rake
- Added unit from MUTS
- Added TPE (modern) livery
70 (The Southern Rail OG version...)
- New unit
70 (The modern one)
- Re-drawn (new model)
71 (The Southern Rail OG)
- New unit
89
- New unit
90
- Added Intercity livery
- Added Greater Anglia livery
- Added Freightliner liveries
- Added ONE livery
- Added Virgin livery
- Added Rail Express livery
- Added First Scotrail livery
- Added GNER livery
91
- Fixed alignment
121
- New unit
139
- New unit
140
- New unit modified from existing art
141
- New unit modified from existing art
142
- New unit modified from existing art
143
- New unit modified from existing art
150
- Added TfW livery
153
- Added Scotrail Saltire livery
- Added TfW livery
155
- Added Northern (modern) livery
156
- Added Northern (modern) livery
- Improved GWR livery for consistency
- Added EMR (Maroon and white) livery
- Added Scotrail (Saltire) livery
158
- Added Northern (modern) livery
- Added EMR (Maroon and white) livery
- Added SWR livery
- Added Scotrail (Saltire) livery
- Added TfW livery
168
- New unit
- Includes both Networker and Turbostar cab variants
170
- Re-drawn (new model)
- Included some liveries that were drawn but not coded (London Midland, ONE, Scotrail Saltire, South West Trains, First Barbie, NatEx Scotrail, Midland Mainline, SPT, Greater Anglia)
- Added some additional liveries (TfW, AtW, Scotrail, Scotrail Saltire, West Midlandds Railway, EMR Regional)
171
- New unit based on 170 rework
175
- Re-drawn (new model)
- Added TfW livery
180
- Consolidated Grand Central livery with class 43
- Added EMR (Maroon and white) livery
185
- Added TPE (modern) livery
- Improved frontend design
- Fixed scaling inconsistency with the rest of the set
195
- Added unit from MUTS
196
- New unit
197
- New unit
220
- Minor fixes
221
- Added Avanti West Coast livery
222
- Added EMR Intercity (Maroon) livery
- Added EMR (Maroon and white) livery
- Fixed a bug where the rear cars were smaller than the rest
230
- New unit
310
- New unit
317
- New unit
318
- New unit
319
- Re-drawn (new model)
- Added Northern (mdoern) livery
323
- Shape improvements
- Added Northern livery
- Added WMR livery
325
- New unit (reworked from graphics in the repository)
326
- New unit
331
- Added unit from MUTS
333
- New unit
334
- New unit
345
- Added unit from MUTS
350
- Re-drawn (new model)
357
- Re-drawn (new model)
375
- New unit
376
- New unit
377
- Re-drawn (new model)
378
- Re-drawn (new model)
- Improved GWR livery for consistency
379
- Reworked
387
- Re-drawn (new model)
- Added Heathrow Express livery
- Reworked GWR livery
390
- Added Avanti West Coast livery
- Added Virgin "Flowing Silk" livery
397
- Added unit from MUTS
- Added TPE (modern) livery
442
- Added SWR livery
- Rework pending
444
- Re-drawn (new model)
- Added SWR livery
450
- Re-drawn (new model)
- Added SWR livery
455
- Re-drawn (new model)
456
- Re-drawn (new model)
483
- New unit
484
- New unit
504
- New unit
700
- Added unit from MUTS
- Re-drawn (new model)
701
- Added unit from MUTS
- Re-drawn (new model)
707
- New unit
710
- Added unit from MUTS
- Re-drawn (new model)
717
- New unit
720
- Added unit from MUTS
- Re-drawn (new model)
745
- Added unit from MUTS
- Re-drawn (new model)
755
- Added unit from MUTS
- Re-drawn (new model)
756
- Added unit from MUTS
768
- New unit
769
- Re-drawn (new model based on 319 re-work)
- Improved GWR livery for consistency
777
- Added unit from MUTS
800
- Added TPE (modern) livery
- Re-drawn (new model)
801
- Added unit from MUTS
- Re-drawn (new model)
802
- Added unit from MUTS
- Improved GWR livery for consistency
- Re-drawn (new model)
805 *Temporarily disabled until the unit is actually on the network in a real livery*
- Added unit from MUTS
- Re-drawn (new model)
807 *Temporarily disabled until the unit is actually on the network in a real livery*
- Added unit from MUTS
LNER A1, LNER A3
- Fixed some animation errors
GWR Great Bear
- New Unit
GWR Hall Class
- New Unit
Mk2 Coach
- Improved alignment
Mk3 DVT
- New unit
Mk3 Sleeper
- New unit
Mk5 Sleeper
- New unit
Hopper wagon BRHHA
- Modernized cargo refit choices
Tanker wagon BRTTA
- New unit
Container Flatbed wagon
- New unit
Travelling Post Office wagon
- New unit
- Includes DVT/PCV (graphical only)
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