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Enter signal still allow to pass, but all other follow signall are red

Posted: 10 Nov 2021 16:54
by cbuhka
Enter signal still allow to pass, but all other follow signall are red
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How to solve? Or bug?

Re: Enter signal still allow to pass, but all other follow signall are red

Posted: 10 Nov 2021 17:33
by _dp_
You shouldn't be using block signals unless you really understand them. In this case replacing the entry signal with path signal and removing signals before platforms will do much better.

But if you insist on doing this with presignals use some exit signals to pair with entry signal, without exit or combo signals entry signal works the same as a regular block signal.

Re: Enter signal still allow to pass, but all other follow signall are red

Posted: 10 Nov 2021 17:46
by Eddi
not a bug. just used incorrectly.

you have no exit signals, so the entry signal works like a basic block signal.

Re: Enter signal still allow to pass, but all other follow signall are red

Posted: 10 Nov 2021 20:22
by cbuhka
_dp_ wrote: 10 Nov 2021 17:33 You shouldn't be using block signals unless you really understand them. In this case replacing the entry signal with path signal and removing signals before platforms will do much better.

But if you insist on doing this with presignals use some exit signals to pair with entry signal, without exit or combo signals entry signal works the same as a regular block signal.
I need "if then else", not simple "if then"

Re: Enter signal still allow to pass, but all other follow signall are red

Posted: 10 Nov 2021 20:41
by Taschi
cbuhka wrote: 10 Nov 2021 20:22 I need "if then else", not simple "if then"
I have no idea what that is supposed to mean.

If you mean you want the train to pick a free track, then all you need is a path signal before the first switch, and another path signal at the far end of each platform.

Re: Enter signal still allow to pass, but all other follow signall are red

Posted: 11 Nov 2021 07:40
by cbuhka
Taschi wrote: 10 Nov 2021 20:41
cbuhka wrote: 10 Nov 2021 20:22 I need "if then else", not simple "if then"
I have no idea what that is supposed to mean.

If you mean you want the train to pick a free track, then all you need is a path signal before the first switch, and another path signal at the far end of each platform.
line 1 + line 2 + line # - signal 1 - path - signal 2 - station
while signal 2 is not green train should stop near signal 1 so path would be free.
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I have more than 12 trains on 12 line station. A lot of more. Nearly 20.

Eddi already showed me where is mistake.

Re: Enter signal still allow to pass, but all other follow signall are red

Posted: 11 Nov 2021 08:14
by jfs
Take a look at the examples here: https://www.openttd.org/news/2021/11/06 ... -ui-change

Your station is bigger, but the principles are the same: Put signals before danger points, and after station platforms. Avoid putting signals there a stopped train would block the path for trains going somewhere else.

Re: Enter signal still allow to pass, but all other follow signall are red

Posted: 11 Nov 2021 08:43
by cbuhka
jfs wrote: 11 Nov 2021 08:14 Take a look at the examples here: https://www.openttd.org/news/2021/11/06 ... -ui-change

Your station is bigger, but the principles are the same: Put signals before danger points, and after station platforms. Avoid putting signals there a stopped train would block the path for trains going somewhere else.
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Eddi already showed me where there is mistake. I should use Exit signal because there is Entry signal, but in use was Block signal

And in wiki is not showed my example. There is another situation. My situation should be added.

line 1 + line 2 + line # - signal 1 - path - signal 2 - station
while signal 2 is not green train should stop near signal 1 so path would be free.


So junction is always free.
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This junection is much more interesting
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Re: Enter signal still allow to pass, but all other follow signall are red

Posted: 11 Nov 2021 11:26
by Eddi
that last junction will never work with entry/exit signals. that's why path signals are more powerful. and in all other situations you posted, path signals would be much simpler to use.

Re: Enter signal still allow to pass, but all other follow signall are red

Posted: 11 Nov 2021 11:30
by cbuhka
Eddi wrote: 11 Nov 2021 11:26 that last junction will never work with entry/exit signals. that's why path signals are more powerful. and in all other situations you posted, path signals would be much simpler to use.
Try yourself. All working. No jamming appears.