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acs121 wrote:Well, Class 22 needs debating before inclusion though. So let's skip this, and move on to other thingies...
Brush Avocet.png
Stadler Euro Dual.png
If you're wondering, the Avocet is the Class 89 and the Euro Dual is the Class 88. I gave them those filenames for the simple reason that i didn't find a proper name yet. Maybe "Shark" for the Avocet and "Double Juice" (reference to IH 1) for the Euro Dual ?

Would it be possible to add company color or details to differentiate the two? They look almost identical, and I nearly mistook them as the same file accidentally uploaded twice.

Actually i did add CC but i don't know how i can modify the Euro Dual for it to look less like the Avocet.

acs121 wrote:Actually i did add CC but i don't know how i can modify the Euro Dual for it to look less like the Avocet.

Try adding company color "logos" or "liveries" to the sides, different ones for each loco. Or just invert the CC of one of them?

SimYouLater wrote:

acs121 wrote:Actually i did add CC but i don't know how i can modify the Euro Dual for it to look less like the Avocet.

Try adding company color "logos" or "liveries" to the sides, different ones for each loco. Or just invert the CC of one of them?

I improved the Avocet sprites and gave it an Intercity-style livery and more shading.

Made a mistake uploading "3.5", it was actually 3.4 with code that wouldn't compile, so 3.7 is the latest version.

acs121 wrote:

SimYouLater wrote:

acs121 wrote:Actually i did add CC but i don't know how i can modify the Euro Dual for it to look less like the Avocet.

Try adding company color "logos" or "liveries" to the sides, different ones for each loco. Or just invert the CC of one of them?

I improved the Avocet sprites and gave it an Intercity-style livery and more shading.

For some reason, the two locos you provided are not in TTD palette, and GIMP is unable to convert them to the correct palette. Unless you o0r someone else fixes them, we can't add the Badger or Double Juice. Fixed. Sorry about that.

My £0.02: stick the Broken Nose loco in if there's a gameplay purpose.

Everything in Horse is gameplay orientated, and 'inspired by':

• some engines have stats and appearance close to a real train because it fits gameplay
• others take something real and distort key stats or appearance
• some are invented entirely (based on never-built designs or 'might have beens')

If you want to do a strict-realism add-on, Horse is the wrong grf to choose . Try RUKTS or one of the many "BR-something" sets

andythenorth wrote:My £0.02: stick the Broken Nose loco in if there's a gameplay purpose.

Everything in Horse is gameplay orientated, and 'inspired by':

• some engines have stats and appearance close to a real train because it fits gameplay
• others take something real and distort key stats or appearance
• some are invented entirely (based on never-built designs or 'might have beens')

If you want to do a strict-realism add-on, Horse is the wrong grf to choose . Try RUKTS or one of the many "BR-something" sets

Good point.

You got your wish, acs121! 3.8 will include the Broken Nose.

SimYouLater wrote:

andythenorth wrote:My £0.02: stick the Broken Nose loco in if there's a gameplay purpose.

Everything in Horse is gameplay orientated, and 'inspired by':

• some engines have stats and appearance close to a real train because it fits gameplay
• others take something real and distort key stats or appearance
• some are invented entirely (based on never-built designs or 'might have beens')

If you want to do a strict-realism add-on, Horse is the wrong grf to choose . Try RUKTS or one of the many "BR-something" sets

Good point.

You got your wish, acs121! 3.8 will include the Broken Nose.

Hmmm...how about totally faking the stats of the Broken Nose, and giving it like 125mph speed to make it an express pax loco ?

acs121 wrote:

SimYouLater wrote:

andythenorth wrote:My £0.02: stick the Broken Nose loco in if there's a gameplay purpose.

Everything in Horse is gameplay orientated, and 'inspired by':

• some engines have stats and appearance close to a real train because it fits gameplay
• others take something real and distort key stats or appearance
• some are invented entirely (based on never-built designs or 'might have beens')

If you want to do a strict-realism add-on, Horse is the wrong grf to choose . Try RUKTS or one of the many "BR-something" sets

Good point.

You got your wish, acs121! 3.8 will include the Broken Nose.

Hmmm...how about totally faking the stats of the Broken Nose, and giving it like 125mph speed to make it an express pax loco ?

How are these?

Quicksilver (1935)
2450 hp, 185 km/h

Broken Nose (1975)
5850 hp, 185 km/h

Badger (1987)
7510 hp, 200 km/h

Double Juice (2015)
9100 hp, 225 km/h

Only issue with the Quicksilver is that it tops out at 115, but all the coaches limit it to 100.

Other than that, looks nice.

Comm Cody wrote:Only issue with the Quicksilver is that it tops out at 115, but all the coaches limit it to 100.

Other than that, looks nice.

Speed limits? Iron Horse has speed limits?

SimYouLater wrote:

Comm Cody wrote:Only issue with the Quicksilver is that it tops out at 115, but all the coaches limit it to 100.

Other than that, looks nice.

Speed limits? Iron Horse has speed limits?

The coaches have a speed limit, of course. But still, there's a parameter to disable car speed limit if it bothers people. It's true it's really annoying.
So i think it should be like this :
Quicksilver - 1935 - 185kph - 1450hp
Broken Nose - 1976 - 201kph - 4850hp
Badger - 1989 - 211kph 5010hp
Double Juice - 2015 - 201kph - 9110hp

I lowered the Double Juice speed because it would be totally OP if it was faster than all locos (fastest in IH2 is 217kph) and had huge horsepower.
Also, all steamers, even streamliners, don't provide this much power - even 1450 is a lot for a steamer.

acs121 wrote: So i think it should be like this :
Quicksilver - 1935 - 185kph - 1450hp
Broken Nose - 1976 - 201kph - 4850hp
Badger - 1989 - 211kph 5010hp
Double Juice - 2015 - 201kph - 9110hp

I lowered the Double Juice speed because it would be totally OP if it was faster than all locos (fastest in IH2 is 217kph) and had huge horsepower.
Also, all steamers, even streamliners, don't provide this much power - even 1450 is a lot for a steamer.

The highest recorded power output from an A4 was 2450 drawbar horsepower when Mallard herself was hauling 11 coaches (390 tons tare, 415 tons gross) up Stoke Bank at a sustained 80 mph in 1963.

Admittedly that was at 80 mph, I'll reduce it to 781 hp and 175 km/h.

Other than that, I'll use the stats you provided.

I'm okay for 2450. But no more, okay ?

Because those trains are not in IH2 in any form, i decided to take back the Electra, Cyclops and Cargo Sprinter.

SimYouLater wrote:

acs121 wrote: So i think it should be like this :
Quicksilver - 1935 - 185kph - 1450hp
Broken Nose - 1976 - 201kph - 4850hp
Badger - 1989 - 211kph 5010hp
Double Juice - 2015 - 201kph - 9110hp

I lowered the Double Juice speed because it would be totally OP if it was faster than all locos (fastest in IH2 is 217kph) and had huge horsepower.
Also, all steamers, even streamliners, don't provide this much power - even 1450 is a lot for a steamer.

The highest recorded power output from an A4 was 2450 drawbar horsepower when Mallard herself was hauling 11 coaches (390 tons tare, 415 tons gross) up Stoke Bank at a sustained 80 mph in 1963.

acs121 wrote:I'm okay for 2450. But no more, okay ?

SimYouLater wrote:Admittedly that was at 80 mph, I'll reduce it to 781 hp and 175 km/h.

Other than that, I'll use the stats you provided.

Sorry you missed that.

acs121 wrote:Because those trains are not in IH2 in any form, i decided to take back the Electra, Cyclops and Cargo Sprinter.

Cargo Sprinter DMU.png

Thanks. Try not to double post!

I know, but for some reason i couldn't edit my post.

acs121 wrote:I know, but for some reason i couldn't edit my post.

Just to be sure, where did you get the sprites for the Badger, Broken Nose and Double Juice? I don't trust you to do licensing right.

Both the Badger and Double Juice appear to be based on the Class 90 from UKRS2, which is fine by me (although without reworking they won't match the scale of IH, and there is an actual Avocet in UKRS2 which is probably a better starting point).

PikkaBird wrote:Both the Badger and Double Juice appear to be based on the Class 90 from UKRS2, which is fine by me (although without reworking they won't match the scale of IH, and there is an actual Avocet in UKRS2 which is probably a better starting point).

They are heavily based on the Class 89 and 90 from UKRS2, even though i actually mainly used the SH 40 to do those graphics.
I did not license the graphics yet. So...which license, since UKRS is All Rights Reserved and the baseset GPL v3 IIRC ?