DACH Sets - Standard Gauge/Narrow Gauge : Development Thread

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DACH Sets - Standard Gauge/Narrow Gauge : Development Thread

Post by Yoshi » 19 Sep 2011 04:26

This is the train set for the Total Alpine Replacement Set project.
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v0.3.0:

New Engines:
Bombardier TRAXX (different liveries: DB, BLS, SBB, Cisalpino)
ÖBB 1144
ÖBB 1142
ÖBB 1116 Taurus
DB 146.2 IC-Livery (future)

New Multiple Units:
ÖBB 5022 Desiro
ÖBB 4024 Talent
ÖBB 5047
ÖBB 5147
SBB RABDe 500 ICN
BLS RABe 535 Lötschberger

New Coaches:
Cisalpino coaches
ÖBB EC-Coaches
DB Intercity-double-deck-coaches (future)
SBB IC 2000
ÖBB CityShuttle single-deck
ÖBB CityShuttle double-deck

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v0.2.0:

Engines:
DB BR 146.2
DB BR 143
DB BR 101
DB BR 218
SBB Re 460 "Lok 2000"
ÖBB 1116 "railjet"

Multiple units:
DB BR 641
DB BR 611
DB BR 628
Stadler Regio Shuttle
Stadler KISS
Stadler Flirt "Seehas"
SBB Re 450
SBB ICN

Coaches (with cab-cars):
DB double-deck coaches
DB n-coaches "Silberling"
DB IC-coaches
SBB IC-coaches
ÖBB railjet-coaches
freight wagons
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Known Bugs:
-Push-pull trains have wrong details, when they are reversed


Download Version 0.1.1
Download Version 0.2.0
Download Version 0.3.0
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Readme (german)

Please report bugs here!
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Re: TARS Trains: Total Alpine Replacement Set Trains

Post by Dwight_K._Schrute » 19 Sep 2011 06:46

I think I should mention that this is not a complete set, yet. It is just a v0.1 and of course more trains are planned. So if you have wishes, suggestions or if you want to contribute let us know.

EDIT: Two little impressions from the set:
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Re: TARS Trains: Total Alpine Replacement Set Trains

Post by V453000 :) » 19 Sep 2011 10:02

Looks nice so far, one thing I like is that there arent useless engines but they evolve with time - newer = better. :)
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Re: TARS Trains: Total Alpine Replacement Set Trains (v0.1)

Post by alluke » 19 Sep 2011 13:19

Will there be any freight/shunting stuff?
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Re: TARS Trains: Total Alpine Replacement Set Trains (v0.1)

Post by Dwight_K._Schrute » 19 Sep 2011 13:27

alluke wrote:Will there be any freight/shunting stuff?
Yes, of course. In later versions this set will contain freight trains as well.

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Re: TARS Trains: Total Alpine Replacement Set Trains (v0.1)

Post by Pilot » 19 Sep 2011 15:57

Great looking set.

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Re: TARS Trains: Total Alpine Replacement Set Trains (v0.1)

Post by Yoshi » 19 Sep 2011 16:14

Thanks...

I hope it will continue like this :D

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Re: DACH Tripoint Set: "TARS-Trains" v0.1.1

Post by PinkMoon » 21 Sep 2011 21:18

Very nice trainsets ! Especially the Stadler Flirt and the RailJet are very nice ! :D :o :o :o

I know it's a first release but the running costs for the RailJet are almost €3.000.000 a year ! :shock:

But overall a very nice trainset !

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Re: DACH Tripoint Set: "TARS-Trains" v0.1.1

Post by as » 21 Sep 2011 21:46

Shouldn't the RailJet also have higher top speed? But I agree with others this is a very good start.

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Re: DACH Tripoint Set: "TARS-Trains" v0.1.1

Post by Dwight_K._Schrute » 21 Sep 2011 21:57

as wrote:Shouldn't the RailJet also have higher top speed? But I agree with others this is a very good start.
This is fixed in 0.1.1. I forgot to adjust the top speed of the control car and the coach.
PinkMoon wrote:Very nice trainsets ! Especially the Stadler Flirt and the RailJet are very nice ! :D :o :o :o

I know it's a first release but the running costs for the RailJet are almost €3.000.000 a year ! :shock:

But overall a very nice trainset !
Thank You! But I can't see the problem with the running costs. See attached picture. Maybe you can post a screenshot or a savegame?
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EDIT: If you play with inflation this may happen. But the revenues are very high then, too, aren't they?

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Re: DACH Tripoint Set: "TARS-Trains" v0.1.1

Post by PinkMoon » 22 Sep 2011 07:34

I've made a screenshot of the game I play at this moment . As you see the running costs are above 3 million euro's . What can I do ?
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Re: DACH Tripoint Set: "TARS-Trains" v0.1.1

Post by V453000 :) » 22 Sep 2011 07:46

Are you sure you dont have inflation on? As your train obviously made only -400 000 om the last year, 2 600 000 income per year is ... suspicious
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Re: DACH Tripoint Set: "TARS-Trains" v0.1.1

Post by PinkMoon » 22 Sep 2011 07:56

Indeed I had the inflation on . Now I disabled it but the running costs stay very high ! :(:(:(
The ÖBB set is really beautiful but with such high running costs it is very difficult to make profits .
The DB set I use doesn't have that high amount of running costs.

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Re: DACH Tripoint Set: "TARS-Trains" v0.1.1

Post by FooBar » 22 Sep 2011 08:32

Disabling inflation in a running game doesn't reset all costs. It just disables inflation from that point forward.

A savegame may be useful to figure out what went wrong here.

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Re: DACH Tripoint Set: "TARS-Trains" v0.1.1

Post by PinkMoon » 22 Sep 2011 08:52

Thank you for the information . For the next new game I will disable the inflation.

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Re: DACH Tripoint Set: "TARS-Trains" v0.1.1

Post by Dwight_K._Schrute » 22 Sep 2011 09:16

I think inflation is no problem as your revenues rise in the same amount your costs do. But there seem to be very few passengers in your train. So maybe your average utilisation is just too low to run the train profitably.

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Re: DACH Tripoint Set: "TARS-Trains" v0.1.1

Post by Eddi » 22 Sep 2011 12:33

actually income rises slower than expenses with inflation, so when you don't have technical development over the 170 years of inflation you run into trouble.

Addendum: my math says:
(1.04/1.03)^170 = 5.168202132 (4% inflation) and
(1.02/1.01)^170 = 5.338209935 (2% inflation)
so after 170 years running costs have increased by ~ factor 5.
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Re: DACH Tripoint Set: "TARS-Trains" v0.1.1

Post by Dwight_K._Schrute » 22 Sep 2011 19:46

Thank you for this information Eddi. So I think the best and easiest way to handle this is a parameter. Version 0.2 will have a parameter to adjust running costs (1/4, 1/2, 1, 2, 4)

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Re: DACH Tripoint Set: "TARS-Trains" v0.1.1

Post by PikkaBird » 23 Sep 2011 00:36

Eddi wrote:actually income rises slower than expenses with inflation, so when you don't have technical development over the 170 years of inflation you run into trouble.
"Technical development" is beside the point; it's impossible to balance a set for inflation, because the level of divergence between costs and incomes is dependent on how long the game has been running - ie, by game year 2000 a game which was started in 1850 has 150 years of inflation divergence, whereas one started in 1975 only has 25 years worth. To make the vehicles competitive in the first case means making them ridiculously cheap in the second (and they still wont make profit in a game started in 1800!).

The only reasonable thing set developers can do for now is recommend players play with inflation turned off, and balance vehicles for that.

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Re: DACH Set: "TARS-Trains" v0.1.1

Post by Dwight_K._Schrute » 28 Sep 2011 10:46

Here is version 0.1.2

It fixes some minor issues with speed (SBB control car) and graphic alignments (SBB Re 450). There is still a bug with DB BR 628 (graphics too long), which we will fix before 0.2.0. After that work can begin for 0.2.0. There are alreaady some SBB mail wagons. But if you have further suggestions, please let us know.
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