German translation

[LiOn]

- "Pfadsignal" or "Fahrstraßensignal" instead of "erweitertes Signal"?

I would vote for "Pfadsignal", it makes sense the way someone could draw conclusions from usage like PBS, maths, logistic and graph theory. Maybe "pfadbasiertes Signal" - hm, not sure.

Never heard of "Fahrstraßensignale" though (i think because of "Fahrstraßen") shipping came into my mind... I really do not like it.

"Erweitertes Signal" is without meaning - I dislike it.

i dislike "Pfadsignal"... i'm just not really sure why... it doesn't sound right...

Hm, sound in terms of auditory phonetics or to propose something wrong.

To put something up for discussion:
What about {Wege-Signal}?

- For the difficulty settings: "Angepasst" instead of "Benutzerdefiniert" (which is too long)?

I could bring these terms to mind:
{beutzerdefiniert} >too long
{angepasst}
{individuell}
{spezifisch}
{speziell}

I think I would vote for "angepasst", nothing against it.

[Eddi]

"individuell" sounds nice

[michael blunck]

Never heard of "Fahrstraßensignale" though (i think because of "Fahrstraßen") shipping came into my mind... I really do not like it.

"Fahrstrasse" is a valid German railway term:

Als Fahrstraße bezeichnet man im Eisenbahnwesen den aus Gleisen, Kreuzungen und Weichen gebildeten und signaltechnisch gesicherten Schienenfahrweg eines Schienenfahrzeuges. [...]
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fahrstraße

regards
Michael

[LiOn]

"Fahrstrasse" is a valid German railway term

So you think the inexistent "Fahrstraßensignal" would indicate the right meaning? Ok, then we could use this term. Maybe the tooltip can be used to point to the path based background.

[sulai]

I like "Individuell", too. It fits perfectly on the button!

Votes for "Pfadsignal":
Roujin
sulai
planetmaker
LiOn

Votes against "Pfadsignal":
Eddi

other suggestions: "Wegesignal", "Fahrstraßensignal"
Any more votes or suggestions?

[dihedral]

i like both, however, 2 things to think of
1. we are replacing PBS (the chars) with something very much longer, and we already are fighting with space, so we need to chose wisely
2. i could imagine a bunch of people wanting to abbreviate it (yes, eddi i know) so it's not a bad idea to think about the options there are
WBS (weg-basierte-signale) PBS (pfad basierte signale)
FSS (fahrstrassensignal) PS (pfadsignal)
i though cannot understand (not even in english) when people write or say PBS signal, as that is a double signal right there: path based signal signal
pfad basierte signale is a more literal translation
fahrstrassensignal is the more correct translation (where to me that just sounds like a signal of a fahrstrasse, which could again be any signal type)
pfadsignal is the shorter, yet still descriptive translation

[sulai]

1. I checked the length of all strings. They fit on all tooltips and windows, if they look like this:

-STR_CONFIG_PATCHES_DEFAULT_SIGNAL_TYPE :{LTBLUE}Standard gebaute Signalart: {ORANGE}{STRING}
+STR_CONFIG_PATCHES_DEFAULT_SIGNAL_TYPE :{LTBLUE}Voreinstellung für Signale: {ORANGE}{STRING}
STR_CONFIG_PATCHES_DEFAULT_SIGNAL_NORMAL :Normal
-STR_CONFIG_PATCHES_DEFAULT_SIGNAL_PBS :Erweitert
-STR_CONFIG_PATCHES_DEFAULT_SIGNAL_PBSOWAY :Einseitig erweitert
+STR_CONFIG_PATCHES_DEFAULT_SIGNAL_PBS :Pfadsignale
+STR_CONFIG_PATCHES_DEFAULT_SIGNAL_PBSOWAY :Einseitige Pfadsignale
STR_CONFIG_PATCHES_CYCLE_SIGNAL_TYPES :{LTBLUE}Durchlaufen der Signalarten: {ORANGE}{STRING}
STR_CONFIG_PATCHES_CYCLE_SIGNAL_NORMAL :nur Normale
-STR_CONFIG_PATCHES_CYCLE_SIGNAL_PBS :nur Erweiterte
+STR_CONFIG_PATCHES_CYCLE_SIGNAL_PBS :nur Pfadsignale
STR_CONFIG_PATCHES_CYCLE_SIGNAL_ALL :Alle
+STR_RAILROAD_TRACK_WITH_PBSSIGNALS :Gleis mit Pfadsignal
+STR_RAILROAD_TRACK_WITH_NOENTRYSIGNALS :Gleis mit einseitigem Pfadsignal
+STR_RAILROAD_TRACK_WITH_NORMAL_PBSSIGNALS :Gleis mit normalem Signal und Pfadsignal
+STR_RAILROAD_TRACK_WITH_NORMAL_NOENTRYSIGNALS :Gleis mit normalem Signal und einseitigem Pfadsignal
+STR_RAILROAD_TRACK_WITH_PRE_PBSSIGNALS :Gleis mit Vor- und Pfadsignal
+STR_RAILROAD_TRACK_WITH_PRE_NOENTRYSIGNALS :Gleis mit Vor- und einseitigem Pfadsignal
+STR_RAILROAD_TRACK_WITH_EXIT_PBSSIGNALS :Gleis mit Ausfahr- und Pfadsignal
+STR_RAILROAD_TRACK_WITH_EXIT_NOENTRYSIGNALS :Gleis mit Ausfahr- und einseitigem Pfadsignal
+STR_RAILROAD_TRACK_WITH_COMBO_PBSSIGNALS :Gleis mit Kombinations- und Pfadsignal
+STR_RAILROAD_TRACK_WITH_COMBO_NOENTRYSIGNALS :Gleis mit Kominations- und einseitigem Pfadsignal
+STR_RAILROAD_TRACK_WITH_PBS_NOENTRYSIGNALS :Gleis mit erweitertem und einseitigem Pfadsignal
+STR_BUILD_SIGNAL_SEMAPHORE_PBS_TIP :{BLACK}Pfadsignal (Formsignal){}Erlaubt mehreren Zügen gleichzeitig, einen Signalbereich zu befahren, sofern ein Pfad reserviert werden kann. Pfadsignale können von hinten durchfahren werden.
+STR_BUILD_SIGNAL_SEMAPHORE_PBS_OWAY_TIP :{BLACK}Einseitiges Pfadsignal (Formsignal):{}Erlaubt mehreren Zügen, einen Signalblock zu befahren, sofern ein Pfad reserviert werden kann. Einseitige Pfadsignale können nicht von hinten durchfahren werden.
+STR_BUILD_SIGNAL_ELECTRIC_PBS_TIP :{BLACK}Pfadsignal (Lichtsignal){}Erlaubt mehreren Zügen gleichzeitig, einen Signalbereich zu befahren, sofern ein Pfad reserviert werden kann. Pfadsignale können von hinten durchfahren werden.
+STR_BUILD_SIGNAL_ELECTRIC_PBS_OWAY_TIP :{BLACK}Einseitiges Pfadsignal (Lichtsignal):{}Erlaubt mehreren Zügen, einen Signalblock zu befahren, sofern ein Pfad reserviert werden kann. Einseitige Pfadsignale können nicht von hinten durchfahren werden.

2. I don't like german abbreviations

edit: using code broke table...

[dihedral]

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+STR_CONFIG_PATCHES_DEFAULT_SIGNAL_PBS                           :Pfadsignale
+STR_CONFIG_PATCHES_DEFAULT_SIGNAL_PBSOWAY                       :Einseitige Pfadsignale

singular please

[Aylo]

- For the difficulty settings: "Angepasst" instead of "Benutzerdefiniert" (which is too long)?

I could bring these terms to mind:
{beutzerdefiniert} >too long
{angepasst}
{individuell}
{spezifisch}
{speziell}

I think I would vote for "angepasst", nothing against it.

What about benutzerdef. ? Yes, it is an abbreviation, but everybody knows, what it means. And in all other PC-programs this term is commonly used.
I don't have anything against abbreviations, when they are used, if the full word doesn't fit on a button (like "Abbr. instead of "Abbrechen")

[dihedral]

if it's possible, cutting a word short like that should be avoided (however this is not always possible due to the lack of alternatives and or space)
here we have enough alternatives, so i would quiet strongly be against benutzerdef.

[Eddi]

-STR_017B_DISPLAY_LIST_OF_COMPANY :{BLACK}Zuglisten der Firmen
+STR_017B_DISPLAY_LIST_OF_COMPANY :{BLACK}Zuglisten der Firmen anzeigen
STR_017C_DISPLAY_LIST_OF_COMPANY :{BLACK}Fahrzeuglisten der Firmen
-STR_017D_DISPLAY_LIST_OF_COMPANY :{BLACK}Schiffslisten der Firmen
-STR_017E_DISPLAY_LIST_OF_COMPANY :{BLACK}Flugzeuglisten der Firmen
+STR_017D_DISPLAY_LIST_OF_COMPANY :{BLACK}Schiffslisten der Firmen anzeigen
+STR_017E_DISPLAY_LIST_OF_COMPANY :{BLACK}Flugzeuglisten der Firmen anzeigen

why leave out the road vehicles?

[sulai]

-STR_017B_DISPLAY_LIST_OF_COMPANY :{BLACK}Zuglisten der Firmen
+STR_017B_DISPLAY_LIST_OF_COMPANY :{BLACK}Zuglisten der Firmen anzeigen
STR_017C_DISPLAY_LIST_OF_COMPANY :{BLACK}Fahrzeuglisten der Firmen
-STR_017D_DISPLAY_LIST_OF_COMPANY :{BLACK}Schiffslisten der Firmen
-STR_017E_DISPLAY_LIST_OF_COMPANY :{BLACK}Flugzeuglisten der Firmen
+STR_017D_DISPLAY_LIST_OF_COMPANY :{BLACK}Schiffslisten der Firmen anzeigen
+STR_017E_DISPLAY_LIST_OF_COMPANY :{BLACK}Flugzeuglisten der Firmen anzeigen

why leave out the road vehicles?

I just added that one.

[Roujin]

+STR_NEWGRF_ERROR_UNKNOWN_PROPERTY :Unbekannte Eigenschaft von Aktion 0

I am against translating newGrf terms like action and property. Users that are not into newGrfs won't understand this message in any way, and users knowing newGrf surely use the terms action and property and not translations of these words into their native language.

[sulai]

I think we all did a great job so far! Until now we submitted roughly 150 strings into SVN, which are now available in the latest nightly!

I think there are only a few minor things left to discuss about =)

In the patch settings:

-STR_CONFIG_PATCHES_SELECTGOODS :{LTBLUE}Fracht wird erst bei Bedarf an Haltestelle verfügbar: {ORANGE}{STRING}
+STR_CONFIG_PATCHES_SELECTGOODS :{LTBLUE}Industrien beliefern nur Stationen mit passendem Transport: {ORANGE}{STRING}

In the create world window: should we take "Gering" instead of the non fitting string "Sehr wenig"?

What about that plural thing Eddi proposed here. It seems to be a little hacky to use a fourth gender as "plural". But it definitely looks better in the game. Should we take it? Is there a better solution?

Someone wants to work on strings to avoid "Du" and the imperative form, preferably in the patch settings window?

I attached a diff to my personal german.txt, but only minor stuff is left =)

[Eddi]

firstly, i resent the term "hack", because that is the exact german grammar. nouns have a numerus, genus and casus.

while the casus is defined from the context of the noun, the numerus and genus are defined by the noun itself. it makes sense to combine numerus and genus in one feature, because they are not very different from a grammatical point of view. theoretically this would yield 6 forms, but the plural forms are equal at all times. the "gender" of language files is designed to handle exactly that, a word form influencing the surrounding words.

the openttd grammar system is also able to handle "cases", where the surrounding words influence a word, but i have not seen a situation, where that would be necessary (yet).

+STR_USE_CTRL_TO_SELECT_MORE :{BLACK}Strg gedrückt halten um mehrere Einträge auszuwählen

while the new rules do not require you to place a comma at a "erweiterter Infinitiv mit 'zu'", i would strongly suggest you put one here.

+STR_028F_DEFINE_DESERT_AREA :{BLACK}Lege Wüstengebiet an.{}Strg-Taste drücken zum entfernen

how about "Wüste[ngebiet] anlegen{}Zum entfernen Strg-Taste drücken"?

[Roujin]

sulai: found one little spelling mistake in your diff

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+STR_RAILROAD_TRACK_WITH_COMBO_NOENTRYSIGNALS                    :Gleis mit Kominations- und einseitigem Pfadsignal

Kombinations...

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What do you think about what I wrote in my last post?

[dihedral]

@Eddi: i am walking through wt2, and rv's were not listed next to the rest (for whatever reason), so i did not see it and could not change that along with it

@Roujin: i agree fully, and will change it in the next few days again

@Eddi's_gender_diff: i like you

@everybody: good work all of you so far keep it coming

[planetmaker]

+STR_028F_DEFINE_DESERT_AREA :{BLACK}Lege Wüstengebiet an.{}Strg-Taste drücken zum entfernen

how about "Wüste[ngebiet] anlegen{}Zum entfernen Strg-Taste drücken"?

Wüste[ngebiet] anlegen{}Zum Entfernen Strg-Taste drücken.

Wenn man substantivierte Verben groß schreibt sieht's irgendwie richtiger aus

[Eddi]

öööh.... of course...

i just didn't look for that kind of error

[sulai]

+STR_NEWGRF_ERROR_UNKNOWN_PROPERTY :Unbekannte Eigenschaft von Aktion 0

I am against translating newGrf terms like action and property. Users that are not into newGrfs won't understand this message in any way, and users knowing newGrf surely use the terms action and property and not translations of these words into their native language.

What about: "NewGRF Fehler: 'Unknown Action 0 property.'"?

I just wanted to add Eddi's plural diff to WT2, but at the message

STR_8101_WE_HAVE_JUST_DESIGNED_A :{GOLD}Wir haben {G "einen " "eine " "ein " ""}neue{G n "" s ""} {0:STRING} entwickelt. {}Sind Sie daran interessiert, {G 0 den die das die} {0:STRING} ein Jahr lang exklusiv zu nutzen, so dass wir die Funktionen testen können, bevor {G 0 er sie es sie} allgemein zur Verfügung gestellt {G 0 wird wird wird werden}?

It keeps saying:

STR_8101_WE_HAVE_JUST_DESIGNED_A: Language command 'G' requires different number of parameters!

The problem seems to be the free space behind "einen". Seems OTTD doesn't support that. I now added this instead:

{GOLD}Wir haben {G "einen" "eine" "ein" ""} neue{G n "" s ""} {0:STRING} entwickelt. {}Sind Sie daran interessiert, {G 0 den die das die} {0:STRING} ein Jahr lang exklusiv zu nutzen, so dass wir die Funktionen testen können, bevor {G 0 er sie es sie} allgemein zur Verfügung gestellt {G 0 wird wird wird werden}?