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Russian highspeedline underway

Posted: 04 Sep 2007 10:44
by Illegal_Alien
Source: http://www.TheRailwaycentre.com
Together with Siemens Transportation Systems (TS), Russian Railways (RZD) is now entering the era of high-speed rail travel. During his visit to the Siemens plant in Krefeld-Uerdingen on July 20, RZD President Vladimir Yakunin gave the formal go-ahead for bodyshell production of the first Russian high speed train, Velaro RUS. Starting at the end of 2009, these trains should be running at speeds of up to 250 km/h on a line connecting Moscow and St. Petersburg.

Yakunin called the start of Velaro production a "significant milestone in the development of the cooperation between RZD and Siemens". And he firmly stated that the Velaro RUS, "whose design and technology reflected the highest standard in modern railway engineering, will soon enable RZD to catch up with other railway companies in the high speed rail sector and allow Russia to join the world’s elite club of high speed nations."

During the visit by the Russian delegation, Hans M. Schabert, President of Siemens Transportation Systems, emphasized the good cooperation with the RZD on the Velaro project, calling it an "outstanding basis for a long-term partnership between Siemens and the RZD in all areas of railway technology." He affirmed his belief that modern high speed trains were the ideal means of satisfying Russia’s growing need for mobility.

The Minister of Transport of the German state of North-Rhine Westphalia, Oliver Wittke, congratulated Yakunin on making this decision, stressing that "the Velaro contract from

Russia demonstrates impressively how well the railway industry is able to tap its innovative strength and utilize its international contacts in Germany's most densely populated state."

Back in May 2006, Siemens Transportation Systems had already received the contract to build a total of eight high speed trains, all of which to be manufactured in its Krefeld-Uerdingen plant and delivered by 2010. In addition, Siemens will be responsible for service and maintenance of these trains for 30 years. In all, that contract is worth about 600 million euros. Yakunin and Schabert officially approved the start of production of the bodyshells when they placed their signatures on a document certifying that the first step in the milestone agreement had been achieved.

In Schabert’s words, the Velaro RUS will give Russian Railways the "world’s most modern high speed trainset." It is similar to the ICE 3 used by German Rail and the Velaro E used by Spanish National Railways (Renfe). The ten cars of the multiple-unit formation offer enough space for over 600 passengers and are specially modified to meet both the particular technical and climatic conditions encountered in Russia. The trains are designed for the Russian broad-gauge tracks and are around 33 cm wider than the ICE 3. When the Russian Velaro RUS, the Chinese Velaro CN, the Spanish Velaro E and the German ICE 3 are considered all together, more than 160 EMU high speed trains have meanwhile been ordered from Siemens worldwide.

With its billions in investments each year, Russia is considered to be one of the largest market for trains in the coming decades. In addition to the high speed line between Moscow and St. Petersburg, other rail connections are being planned, such as one between Moscow and Nizhny Novgorod. In Russia, a modern railway infrastructure featuring high speed rail travel is also considered to be a good response to the challenges of global warming. For instance, the amount of carbon dioxide, a contributor to global warming, emitted per passenger on high speed trains is about one-third the amount caused by airliners.
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Re: Russian highspeedline underway

Posted: 04 Sep 2007 20:47
by lws1984
In Soviet Russia, you transport train!

Re: Russian highspeedline underway

Posted: 04 Sep 2007 20:54
by Ameecher
Is it just me, or is that an ICE3 dressed up in the colours of the Russian flag?

Re: Russian highspeedline underway

Posted: 04 Sep 2007 20:58
by lws1984
Did you read the article?
Yes, it's a modified ICE3.

Well, it's "similar to an ICE3."

However, built by the same company, same basic looks. For all intents and purposes, it's an ICE3.

Re: Russian highspeedline underway

Posted: 05 Sep 2007 03:55
by Railwaymodeler
And just where is this broken old Commie place getting the money for this?

Must be good money in spam accounts and viruses that come from there.

Re: Russian highspeedline underway

Posted: 05 Sep 2007 08:06
by Ameecher
Railwaymodeler wrote:And just where is this broken old Commie place getting the money for this?

Must be good money in spam accounts and viruses that come from there.
Oil. End of story.

Re: Russian highspeedline underway

Posted: 05 Sep 2007 12:14
by Jose
Railwaymodeler wrote:And just where is this broken old Commie place getting the money for this?

Must be good money in spam accounts and viruses that come from there.
Well Russia are a G8 country, so they are not exactly a 'broken old Commie place'. A lot of non G8 countries have high speed railways and for a country as massive as Russia one is probably needed.

Re: Russian highspeedline underway

Posted: 05 Sep 2007 14:55
by Pug
Just to hold you back and that one Jose. Remember that the G8 are the 7! richest economies in the world, plus Russia.

But I would say that Russia does make a lot of money in the oil business nowadays. And besides, why are we complaining about money when Russia makes such a great step forward in the world of public transport.

Re: Russian highspeedline underway

Posted: 05 Sep 2007 16:35
by Railwaymodeler
Well, I was always under the impression (probably from late-cold war USA public education) that Russia was dirt-poor. Sigh.

Oh, well, this should be pretty neat when it is done.

Re: Russian highspeedline underway

Posted: 05 Sep 2007 17:04
by Kevo00
That was in the '90s. They have pulled thier socks up now.

Surely 250kph sounds a little on the slow side?

Re: Russian highspeedline underway

Posted: 05 Sep 2007 17:23
by Ameecher
250km/h is about 155mph, fast by Russian (and British :P) standards. I'm not sure what the maximum speed of the current Moscow to St Petersburg service is but if it's anything like the Trans-siberian, it's not quick.

Re: Russian highspeedline underway

Posted: 10 Sep 2007 07:09
by MHTransport
250Km/h does sound slow by French/Japanese standards.

But I remember reading the original line was one of the most challenging lines to be constructed at the time. The speed limit is probably due to geography first, and running cost second. Those high speed trains and lines aren't cheap. The Russians aren't that rich, yet.

It looks like it will be almost the length of France.

Re: Russian highspeedline underway

Posted: 15 Sep 2007 10:15
by Benjamin
Not that rich yet? I thought the Russians were making quite a tidy profit with them building the nuclear power plant for the Iranians.

Re: Russian highspeedline underway

Posted: 15 Sep 2007 10:23
by TheGrew
Benjamin wrote:Not that rich yet? I thought the Russians were making quite a tidy profit with them building the nuclear power plant for the Iranians.
I doubt it, I imagine most russian money is being pumped into the army.

Re: Russian highspeedline underway

Posted: 15 Sep 2007 10:25
by Raichase
alistairgrew wrote:
Benjamin wrote:Not that rich yet? I thought the Russians were making quite a tidy profit with them building the nuclear power plant for the Iranians.
I doubt it, I imagine most russian money is being pumped into the army.
Totally. I'm sure the Berlin Wall is still up too.

Re: Russian highspeedline underway

Posted: 18 Sep 2007 23:15
by Dave
Raichase wrote:
alistairgrew wrote:
Benjamin wrote:Not that rich yet? I thought the Russians were making quite a tidy profit with them building the nuclear power plant for the Iranians.
I doubt it, I imagine most russian money is being pumped into the army.
Totally. I'm sure the Berlin Wall is still up too.
And their grain is still being collected from communities that are forced to produce it. :roll:

Come on gentlemen. You're all spewing bulls*** rumours and general bulls*** about Russia. At least READ Wikipedia before judging.

You're using the internet. It isn't just for talking about trains. Make the effort.

The close-minded remarks in this thread astound me. I'm glad Raichase had the sense to come in and break it up with a sarcastic comment.

Re: Russian highspeedline underway

Posted: 19 Sep 2007 03:48
by MHTransport
The Railway Digest http://www.arhsnsw.com.au/rdigest.htm had an interesting article on simulations of HST between Sydney and Melbourne. The key point being that the energy input to energy output to journey time relationship is not linear. For example moving from 100Km/h to 120Km/h for freight (+20%) resulted in a 40% (?) increase in energy required.

Perhaps the 'slow' speeds have been chosen to hit a sweet spot in that energy input to energy output to journey time relationship.



BTW, Russia did just test the worlds most devastating known non-nuclear weapon.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid= ... refer=home

Re: Russian highspeedline underway

Posted: 19 Sep 2007 09:16
by Raichase
Dave Worley wrote:I'm glad Raichase had the sense to come in and break it up with a sarcastic comment.
Sarcasm? I was being serious...

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Re: Russian highspeedline underway

Posted: 19 Sep 2007 12:26
by Ameecher
Dave Worley wrote:I'm glad Raichase had the sense to come in and break it up with a sarcastic comment.
Say what you want but I'm still claiming 50% of that remark! :P Sorry Raichase ;)