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Passengers capacity.
Posted: 28 Jun 2007 22:23
by MarkyParky
Hello,
I wanted to ask, if there is some possibility to solve following problem. Right now, I am trying to code some vehicles for Pragues underground. They are made of 5 powered wagons in one consist. Capacities of these consist in reallife are 1464, 1363 and 1526 passengers. But wagon has only one byte value for cargo capacity, allowing me to put there 256 passengers per wagon, which is maximum of 1280 passengers per consist. Is there any workaround possible?
Posted: 28 Jun 2007 22:42
by PikkaBird
Using callback 15 may let you carry a greater number of passengers; however, you will need to refit the vehicles after building them (perhaps this can be changed so that callback 15 is also run when a vehicle is built?). However, that sort of capacity seems unneccesary in TTD. I'd consider giving them more game-balanced capacities rather than real life ones.
Posted: 30 Jun 2007 08:58
by Comeng 523M
Generally, standees are not counted.
Posted: 30 Jun 2007 12:11
by Bilbo
pantagram wrote:Generally, standees are not counted.
You have obviously not travelled in prague metro
Most time there are lot of standees, even in late night hours in some parts of the line.
Or maybe make the wagon internally a "2 part engine", with each part having capacity half of the desired. I've seen some tram (Visually similar to Tatra KT8D5, but it was some else, I think something from the japanese set) consisting of 3 parts, each of them with 150 passengers. In total it had 450 passenger capacity.
Only disadvantage of this apprioach is that the wagon will "break" in curves.
Posted: 30 Jun 2007 13:56
by m4rek
cant that be worked around by one part having all the graphics and the other part none?
Posted: 30 Jun 2007 15:32
by MarkyParky
Callback 15 seems to be a good way for workaround. Thanks for advice...
Posted: 30 Jun 2007 23:31
by athanasios
pantagram wrote:Generally, standees are not counted.
So a 28 seat 90 passenger bus will be considered 28 passenger bus?
Posted: 01 Jul 2007 02:29
by Bilbo
athanasios wrote:pantagram wrote:Generally, standees are not counted.
So a 28 seat 90 passenger bus will be considered 28 passenger bus?
Well, the "standees not counted" may be wrong sometimes. In airplanes there are no standees allowed, in some better trains (intercity, etc...) you need place reservation, so basically standees are also not allowed (although you can walk in the train freely during the trip
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But in trams and city buses standees are quite common. Sometimes the buses are even overstuffed, there are probably more people in them than capacity specified by the bus manufacturer, since people tend to think like "I don't want to wait for next bus" and "I think there is place for one more person".
Posted: 01 Jul 2007 21:56
by suttonc
Or if you live in Sydney, there is the constant fear that you may not live to see the next bus/train arrive!
Posted: 02 Jul 2007 02:50
by Comeng 523M
I was referring to many suburban rail sets.
In Melbourne, a single Comeng M car can hold about 1000 passengers. If I included standees in my set for example, people would get my set just to use trains with ridiculously high space. And therefore, lots of ca$h! The 90 seats however would be fairer way to go. I was assuming everyone did the same...
Posted: 02 Jul 2007 05:30
by zerr0
MarkyParky: You shouldn't believe the manufacturers about the capacity:) Let's take the M1 train, which is supposed to have the highest capacity - 1464 places (I don't know, which one is supposed to have the 1526 places), the real capacity is much lower. When the DPP (Prague Transport Authority) made the trials, it accommodated only 1000 people (+- 25). If we count with acceptable value of 4 standing persons per square meter of free floor, it can accommodate only 779 people (224 seats+ 555 standees (=4*138,85 m2)).
Nonetheless setting the capacities needs a bit of balancing. Airplanes or long distance cars (both road and railroad) are obvious, whereas city mass transit vehicles must take more than only the seating capacity, but should not be considered capable of taking too many standees, as this would make them way too profitable compared to the other vehicles.
Posted: 02 Jul 2007 07:05
by George
zerr0 wrote:MarkyParky: You shouldn't believe the manufacturers about the capacity:) Let's take the M1 train, which is supposed to have the highest capacity - 1464 places (I don't know, which one is supposed to have the 1526 places), the real capacity is much lower. When the DPP (Prague Transport Authority) made the trials, it accommodated only 1000 people (+- 25). If we count with acceptable value of 4 standing persons per square meter of free floor, it can accommodate only 779 people (224 seats+ 555 standees (=4*138,85 m2)).
Nonetheless setting the capacities needs a bit of balancing. Airplanes or long distance cars (both road and railroad) are obvious, whereas city mass transit vehicles must take more than only the seating capacity, but should not be considered capable of taking too many standees, as this would make them way too profitable compared to the other vehicles.
When I specified capacity for LV's buses, I also modified the capacity according to the real size of the vehicle. In general, my calculations may be approximated by the following formula
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capacity = number of seats + (Total capacity - number of seats) * 75 %
If you want more realistic capacity you can use value of 4 passengers per square meter for the recent times (after 1990) and 5-7 for older times (I mean I did it that way)
Posted: 02 Jul 2007 07:21
by MarkyParky
Thanks to all for advices. Balancing will come later on, currently I was searching if there is a way to have it larger.
So I took numbers from manufacturers (and accordin to them I think 81-71M in modernised version has the highest numbers I had) as beginig, taking in concideration that balancing comes later.
Posted: 03 Jul 2007 05:01
by Comeng 523M
George wrote:If you want more realistic capacity you can use value of 4 passengers per square meter for the recent times (after 1990) and 5-7 for older times (I mean I did it that way)
Is that to consider that people are fat these days?
Posted: 03 Jul 2007 10:55
by Dave
Bilbo wrote:in some better trains (intercity, etc...) you need place reservation, so basically standees are also not allowed (although you can walk in the train freely during the trip
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You've never seen a Summer relief to Paignton or Newquay have you?
Posted: 03 Jul 2007 11:21
by Badger
Dave Worley wrote:Bilbo wrote:in some better trains (intercity, etc...) you need place reservation, so basically standees are also not allowed (although you can walk in the train freely during the trip
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You've never seen a Summer relief to Paignton or Newquay have you?
I have, best described as "cosy"!
Posted: 03 Jul 2007 11:23
by Dave
Badger wrote:Dave Worley wrote:Bilbo wrote:in some better trains (intercity, etc...) you need place reservation, so basically standees are also not allowed (although you can walk in the train freely during the trip
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You've never seen a Summer relief to Paignton or Newquay have you?
I have, best described as "cosy"!
If having your head buried in a 45 year old size 24 woman's rather oversized bosom is cute, then yes, maybe.
Posted: 09 Jul 2007 13:39
by George
pantagram wrote:George wrote:If you want more realistic capacity you can use value of 4 passengers per square meter for the recent times (after 1990) and 5-7 for older times (I mean I did it that way)
Is that to consider that people are fat these days?
No, they simply like more comfort recently
Posted: 09 Jul 2007 21:13
by Dave
George wrote:pantagram wrote:George wrote:If you want more realistic capacity you can use value of 4 passengers per square meter for the recent times (after 1990) and 5-7 for older times (I mean I did it that way)
Is that to consider that people are fat these days?
No, they simply like more comfort recently
I don't think that's necessarily true, at least here in Britain, where the emphasis is on more passengers in shorter trains.
Posted: 10 Jul 2007 20:31
by Ameecher
FGW added seats, other TOCs took 'em away. Seriously, if you want a seat on a Class 376, happy hunting, 20m long and about 30 seats, more room for people to stand that way!