Here folks, is what I like to call "The North Shore" effect in play. Now, those of you that live anywhere NEAR the northern suburbs of Sydney, will know that the Northern Shore of the harbour is home to some of the wealthiest people (but the key point is that they are not THE wealthiest people), but they are the LAZIEST, and some of the RUDEST and MOST DEMANDING people in Sydney.
Now, thats not to say that Maley123 here is the first or second option, but he's clearly showing symptoms of the third symptom, and thats what irks me, not as a moderator, but as someone always willing to learn and improve apon his abilities and knowledge.
graphics_master wrote:What I think some things are very hard to do straight off.
Thats correct. Normally, what a standard practice to do, is to start one of those hard things, create something pheonminally PANTS, then learn from mistakes there, try again, improve. Stop, try something else similar, applying any knowledge you have, and keep plugging away at it. I work for Games Workshop, and teach kids how to paint model soldiers about... a couple of inches tall. Sure, the first time around, every kid has a pretty poor model, but it's the best they can do, and if they are willing to learn, I can have them painting like any other gamer after a couple of months. It's not hard to do, it's about learning the techniques, and applying them, and learning each step of the way.
Master something basic, move on to the next step, always seeking the knoweldge, and the learning through DOING.
If this gets me banned I say ow well,
Well, it wouldn't be a new experience for you, doubtless it would take a mere matter of days before you show up in a new guise. So please, don't bring those whole "if this gets me banned" thing into it, because with you, banning seems a minor punishment at best.
but I want to help new people.
Why?
Firstly, you want to run before you can walk. You want to TEACH new people, when I doubt you have the patience or the ability. Now, this is not me trying to be critical of you, but it's the god-honest truth. I see kids at my painting table all the time trying to help, and most of the time (bless their hearts), it's because they genuinly want to help. But, if they are not giving out the CORRECT advice, they are leading the poor newbie astray, and doing damage to their hobby and their abilities. Hell, happened to ME when I started, I got taught ALL the bad habits, and it wasn't until I came to work for the company 8-9 years later that I snapped out of them. Imagine if I had been helping the kid next to me all that time.
Secondly, I'm assuming your motives are good, that you actually want to help people. However, if you are doing not to help people, but for respect that you see other artists getting (I for example, will always weigh Purno, Michael B, DanMacK, etc's opinions very highly, as they have drawn a LOT of stuff in their careers), then thats not the right way to go about it. Again, I assume you are doing it to help, and you deserve kudos for your intentions, which are very rare these days, but just a warning in advance if you (or anyone else out there) is not
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I would like people here to give there ways to plan out real life structures or normal drawings
Thats good, as I said, I respect your intentions straight off the bat.
becaude many newbies just go straight off to draw, and by doing this and by posting this thread the little newbies will have a libary of infomation of planning to start out and to see which one fits the best.
Thats where it starts to get confusing. You threw SO much stuff at the wall, hoping something would stick, that you're not yet in a place to co-ordinate something like this. Once again (I know it's a tired old phrase to trot out, bit it's true...), I'm not intending malice here, it is simply a fact. A hard fact, that only after mastering horse riding in all it's guises, are you equipped to teach, or even co-ordinate the teaching of others. I would consider trying to co-ordinate the education of artists a hell of a lot harder than doing the teaching, as you have to cover all the bases. As you've not yet mastered drawing itself, let alone teaching others, I wouldn't think you are capable of this role. Yet.
I will leave all you people to post the guide and me myself will also be posting my guide but only later.
And finally, the selfish kicker at the end. Not only do I consider you ill-eqipped to doll out such information, you have this "idea" to make this guide, then expect everyone else to do the work for you. I don't know about the UK/US/Europe, but here in Australia, thats a damned near offensive thing to do, is have the idea, and then just dump it on the punters. Especially with the promise "I'll be posting mine, but later". That is a very hurtful sting, which tells us, as readers, that you consider yourself superior, and you will be the master, correcting the teachers and patching the holes.
If you want to do this RIGHT, you must follow the following steps:
PRACTICE drawing. Accept your first time around the block will involve a lot of swerving, starting and stopping, and going half the posted speed limit. Or, to apply my own flavour, expect your first model to not look like the pictures. Thats OKAY, and it's NORMAL.
Then, you must master drawing. Seek out every new technique, and build upon your existing knowledge. Do not try to do this until you've mastered the basics, and have been told this. You can't paint eyes until you've painted the face. You can't win the painting competiton until you've finished your first model.
After that, watch how others help new people, and work on that for a while. Buzz around to new artists threads, and post helpful, freindly comments.
THEN, and ONLY THEN would you be equipped to do something of this scale, and have it be successfull.
Now, I hope you (and some others out there) read all of that, because, and I say it again, I want to be blunt, but I don't want to be hurtful. I just fear that, helpful tending and prodding won't help, as it hasn't in the past. You need the kick in the bum, and get moving on the right track.
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