Call for submissions: Graphics

Post by **Dave** » 21 Aug 2006 19:58

And the texture?

maquinista · Post by **maquinista** » 21 Aug 2006 23:45

Sorry, I drawed it because they don't have other graphics, and they need some graphics. I am not an artist, and I cann't draw it better.
I think that is better a bad draw than a empty draw.
If other person draw a better graphics (and allow to use it), it will replace my draws.

Graphic files in their CVS:
http://tt2.cvs.sourceforge.net/tt2/data/gfx/

A question: ¿Can you post some screnshoots of the actual program?

aarona · Post by **aarona** » 22 Aug 2006 03:26

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. If your not satisfied with the quality then offer an alternative. The fact of the matter is, we need something sooner rather than later and maquinista has been nice enough to offer something.

The only critisism I have of maquinista's work is not having 256x256 (or 128x128) sized textures. But he wasn't to know this...

Just so you know maquinista there is nothing to see at this time unfortunatley.

Ohad · Post by **Ohad** » 22 Aug 2006 07:18

Purno wrote:You can't be serious. Take a look at the attachment. A is how the T-crossing is currently detailed. B is how I'd detail it. IMO B looks way better than A.

You are talking about stupid lines, I don't think it is so hard to fix it,
except it, I think this is look very good.

I u want, u can be the lines manager...

Purno · Post by **Purno** » 22 Aug 2006 08:10

Dave Worley wrote:And the texture?

Texture is acceptable, tho another texture may look better.

maquinista wrote:Sorry, I drawed it because they don't have other graphics, and they need some graphics.

As temporary graphics, for code-testing purposes, these are good enough, I imagine.

I am not an artist, and I cann't draw it better.

Ah come'on. Of course you can draw better. Just add some more details (and make each line the same length

). You seem to be able to work with the tools you have.

I think that is better a bad draw than a empty draw.

True.

If other person draw a better graphics (and allow to use it), it will replace my draws.

Are you sure you don't want to try improving your graphics yourself?

aarona wrote:Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. If your not satisfied with the quality then offer an alternative. The fact of the matter is, we need something sooner rather than later and maquinista has been nice enough to offer something.

These graphics are, as I stated earlier in this post, indeed good for code-testing purposes. However, I guess we all want some better graphics for the game eventually?
Besides, I'm quite convinced maquinista has the talent to do better (take that as a compliment).

Ohad wrote:You are talking about stupid lines,

Lines aren't stupid. Most art is built up from lines, a right combination of lines defines wether the graphic looks bad or good.

I don't think it is so hard to fix it,

Indeed. It should be relatively easy to fix.

except it, I think this is look very good.

I'm not the one who decides wether graphics are good enough to be accepted. All I can say I hope to see better graphics ingame, eventually.

I u want, u can be the lines manager...

Is that meant to sound like a stupid, annoying, kinda insulting, trying to be funny, line?

Ohad · Post by **Ohad** » 22 Aug 2006 09:22

Purno wrote:Is that meant to sound like a stupid, annoying, kinda insulting, trying to be funny, line?

Yes, except the stupid, and it seems to work...

Anyway I think that there is A LOT of differences between:
"these graphics look quite ugly to me."
And:
"This graphics are not enough detailed".

I don't understand how the words "quite ugly" can be in constructive criticism.

Purno · Post by **Purno** » 22 Aug 2006 10:44

"Quite ugly" is my personal opinion. Tho I have to admit I should've be less hmmm.... what's the word.... agressive? Anyways, you got the point, I guess.

I'm usually very constructive and enthusiastic about peeps work, but I was quite shocked that peeps were that enthusiastic about these graphics. Perhaps because I'm an artist myself, and quite of a perfectionist person.

MeusH · Post by **MeusH** » 22 Aug 2006 13:33

Google images:
Tarmac (for line image)
Asphalt texture
Grass texture

With a nice bending textures the only problem is to make nice, curved, white lines. This is just idea, it would probably look much better near other pieces of road and grass - now it's just wide and doesn't look nice.

I've got a 1024x1024 on my HDD but here you have smaller and compressed one:

Purno · Post by **Purno** » 22 Aug 2006 18:08

Put the lines in the middle, vertically. Makes it more easy with different road tiles.

XeryusTC · Post by **XeryusTC** » 22 Aug 2006 18:17

Looks very nice, but I don't think you'll need to add grass to a road texture as roads will have their own objects, or if they're drawn directly on the landscape some blending algoritms (shader probably

) will kick in to make it look nice

.

Jpl · Post by **Jpl** » 26 Aug 2006 06:31

Maybe this signal can be used for something?

XeryusTC · Post by **XeryusTC** » 26 Aug 2006 12:33

Jpl wrote:Maybe this signal can be used for something?

That looks really good for a signal

. I think we can surely use it for signals when we get the graphics up and running

.
It would be really helpfull if you didn't disapear and could give use a model of it when we are ready to implement it

.

Jpl · Post by **Jpl** » 26 Aug 2006 16:05

Heh. I won't disappear. I'm still watching how this project is going... I'll be back when it's time for it.

aarona · Post by **aarona** » 26 Aug 2006 22:22

Given that the graphics engine we might be using (TRoS) is just around the corner I have gone to the liberty of preparing something using a different graphics engine that will hopefully be similar in implementation.

This is the reason why I think it would be good to start collecting, standardising and thinking about the models to use in the game. Otherwise we will just be waiting until its all ready and then do some more waiting for the graphics to trickle down which will slow down any momentum in creating the game.

Purno · Post by **Purno** » 27 Aug 2006 09:19

Shouldn't we first define how complicated the signal system is gonna to be, before we start modelling them? Signals might need a specific amounts of lights, etc.

Zuu · Post by **Zuu** » 27 Aug 2006 09:35

Purno wrote:Shouldn't we first define how complicated the signal system is gonna to be, before we start modelling them? Signals might need a specific amounts of lights, etc.

I've digged up this old thread [RFD] Signaling, which discuss the signaling topic. But it seams to not decide anything.

Please don't continue the discussion of signaling here, so that this thread can be keept ontopic. EDIT: However I agree that it is an important issue.

maquinista · Post by **maquinista** » 16 Sep 2006 02:08

aarona wrote:To try and get the project back on track we should start collecting resources to use when we get a graphics engine up and running.

Some possible things we would require to get started...

Ground textures (Grass/Farmland, etc)
Tracks (Road/Rail)
Signals
Models (At least one train, truck, bus, etc)
Possible GUI elements.

For the 2D artists out there you do not necessarily need to create 3D objects. For example, traffic lights for either rail or road could be made as infinitley thin 3D images.

Hopefully we could work with the Enhanced GFX replacement for OpenTTD but keeping in mind that we need 3D models and the like...

Which format (blender, 3Dmax, AC3D...) do you want?

If I do some models, it will be for the first versions only, while other people draws better graphics.

Arathorn · Post by **Arathorn** » 25 Feb 2007 18:56

Is anyone still active on this project?
In a try to spark some interest for the project, I made a Boeing 747-400 model today. It's 1002 polygons, which sounds a lot, but by the time we have something playable we'll probably all be running quantum computers.

Purno · Post by **Purno** » 26 Feb 2007 08:50

Awesome! I bet it'll look even awesomer with texture on it

Oh, and yes I'm still alive, but it seems there hasn't been much activity on the project, at least not AFAIK. Could be the TRoS engine is more developed now...

Arathorn · Post by **Arathorn** » 26 Feb 2007 09:20

Texture's my weak point. I'm just too blunt to make a fine high-res texture. Perhaps you can give it a try? If you make the graphics in png or svg format, I can apply them to the model. Modelling is actually very easy if you use a blueprint.

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