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Basicly I thought after this came out, why not have it as seprate units?

Here's a image of it,


Now I was thinking that the First car be the engine (so with the last car) and that the middle car you can have as many as you want.

In otherwords make it something that isn't a multiple unit. Make it like a normal train.

Also make sure that you have to have the other unit on the rear or else the AI will mess it up just like they mess up the add on tgv's from the Highspeed pack.

EDIT: This is my 101th post!!!

That's not the way multiple unit trains work, man. They share a lot of things, like power, brakes, and such - you can't just attach as many of the carriages as you like, without major mechanical work. For one thing, sometimes there's only one toilet in the entire 2/3/4 carriage unit, which means whichever poor b****** would be travelling in the random front/middle/rear carriage you've crammed into your frankenstein MU would have to go out the window.

Anyway, they were originally built as four carriage units anyway - I can't explain why CS made them into two carriage units. Here in Wales, they assemble the DMUs out of units that have compatible couplers - so, 142s, 143s, 150s and 153s can be mixed and matched together, although it is fairly uncommon for the 153 (being as it is a single carriage) to be attached to anything else.

metalangel wrote:although it is fairly uncommon for the 153 (being as it is a single carriage) to be attached to anything else.

they use 153 to 158/150/153 a lot.

143+150 looks exceptionally odd.

When the 175s break down (frequently), one can only hope it's near Chester so something with compatible couplers can go and rescue it.

I actually meant to tell you, I finally saw a CT 170 leaving Central today!

why does the 508 crash me comp nothin else does??

Well I use them as a subway the 508's and as far as I know london has 2 cabs. One at each end. Now Toronto has 6 cabs on a train. There are 3 multiple units in a subway train in Toronto. So... That is what I mean. I want something like the London Underground where there's only 2 cabs at each end.

BTW I mean the whole train not just one MU

I think most stock on the Tube (92, 95, 96 stock) is still made up of more than one MU, so you can't go the length of the train by walking through it.

At least, though, I understand what you're trying to do, but I don't think there's many (if any) places in the real world where they sandwich unpowered carriages between the two cab ends of a multiple unit... in fact, the only I can think of off the top of my head was the London & Port Stanley, which ran MU cables under old wooden heavyweight carriages so a power car could be put at either end to make a long train when one of the purpose-built MU trailers wasn't available.

I'm happy to be proven wrong about this, but my understand of MUs is that you can add more units if needed - if not, each 2 or 3 or 4 carriage set is capable of running on its own.

Well I'm about to prove you wrong.

In paris when I was there I noticed that there was no cabs anywhere but on both ends. I looked between every single car on the train before it took off. I could not see a cab anywhere between any cars anywhere on the paris metro.

And on the L1 it's even articulated so you can walk the whole train.

Do you see any cab placed in this metro train in paris? I sure can't.

Same with this one? Here's a picture of the cab on that picture.

Yes i was in paris last month and they were also on the L6, it was the same on the Rome metro, you could basically stand where the carriages joined and look all the way up the train.

The London Underground.
Metropolitan Line A Stock trains are made out of more than one MU, unless it is in four-car formation for the East London Line.
District Line and Hammersmith & City Lines are usually made out of a unit of 4, and another 2 carriages, ie, 3 cabs per train.
I think the same applies for Bakerloo and Picadilly Lines - but i am not sure.
Jubilee are units of 7 cars, Central i think are units of 8 cars, and i think the Northern Line is also units of 8 cars.

I dont know.

Breeze646 wrote:Well I'm about to prove you wrong.

In paris when I was there I noticed that there was no cabs anywhere but on both ends. I looked between every single car on the train before it took off. I could not see a cab anywhere between any cars anywhere on the paris metro.

And on the L1 it's even articulated so you can walk the whole train.

Do you see any cab placed in this metro train in paris? I sure can't.

Same with this one? Here's a picture of the cab on that picture.

So what your showing is a 5 or 6 car MU? Which is what Metalangel is saying?

MU's are just limited to being 4-car in Locomotion due to limits in the game, but in real life they can be longer than 4.

What I'm saying is basicly lets make it so we can make it like the TGV that comes with the game, Where you have two locomotives at each end and as many unpowered cars as you want between the 2 loco's.

works in theory but...

in a class 508 the trailer was the actual powered unit and the 2 driving cars were unpowered DTSO's.

So after my little spanner, is there really any point in arguing this? If you want what you've described grab some mk1's and slap 2 class 31's at either end. Simple!

I know old topic but I remember what train I was refering to when I said the London Underground. I was refering to the fleet on the Jublie Line.

If it is a EMU then they must have a 4 car EMU and a 3 car EMU. I found out that they recently added another car to the Jublie line. (Well it isn't that recent but it was on the Underground Website) It used to be 6 cars but now it's 7 cars. (According to the Offical Underground Website)

If it is like the type of train I'm talking about then we should make it. I know that the District Line runs EMUs of 3 cars each.

Depends what stock you are talking about,

District Line 'D' Stopck is formed of two 3-Car Units, the unit itself is an independant EMU in it's own right.

It is formed of either Driving Motors (DM), Trailers (T) or Uncopuling Non-riving Motors (UNDM) in one of the following formations:

3 Car - 1 Unit
DM - T - DM
DM - T - UNDM
UNDM - T - DM

6 Car - 2 Units
DM - T - DM - UNDM - T - DM
DM - T - DM - DM - T - DM
DM - T - UNDM - UNDM - T -DM

However because Air compressors are only fitted to Trailer Cars, the current operating preactise is to operate with two compressors, (Has been since before WW 2) so hence formed into two Units that make up a train of six Cars.

However 'C' Stock is formed of only Two different Car types a Driving Motor, and a Trailer. Technically a Control Trailer due to having shunting Panel.

So C Stock is formed of the following

DM - T
T - DM

But runs in 6-Car formation to maximise usage to demand,

DM - T - DM - T - T - DM
or
DM - T - T - DM - T - DM

Now in Lomo, there are several MU's that allow you to add cars Major Duck's Wessex for the BR Set and the 444 for the BR Set are notible examples.
Barry's 1959 Tube Stock & 1967 Tube Stock, in addition to my own 'D Stock' and 1938 Tube Stock are formed of seperate cars, DM's T's etc, allowing the user to make up their own formation within reason.

Hope this hasn't confused you too much.
Cheers,
~ Matloughe

What about the 95 stock? Like on the Jubille Line? What arrangement is it in? (I heard they now run the Jubille with 7 cars)

95 Stock is Northern,
96 is Jubilee

Matloughe wrote:95 Stock is Northern,
96 is Jubilee

Well what about the 96? How do they make them 7 cars?

they added new cars.

Breeze646 wrote:

Matloughe wrote:95 Stock is Northern,
96 is Jubilee

Well what about the 96? How do they make them 7 cars?

I don't know about '96 stock in particular, but with other 7-car stocks, the general pratice seems to be that 7-car trains are made up of two EMUs - one 4-car and one 3-car, such as:

DM-T-NDM-DM:UNDM-T-DM
or
DM-T-NDM-DM:DM-T-DM

DM - Driving Motor (full drivers' cab)
T - Trailer (no controls)
NDM - Trailer with motors
UNDM - Trailer with motors and shunt driving controls

This was why I made separate models for each type of carriage for the underground stock I did (albeit, I only did one type of trailer with motors).