George's Long vehicles V4 beta4 is out (07 sep 2007)

[krtaylor]

Well, as you said, everything worked fine when I completely removed and deleted all my long vehicles files, and downloaded all new ones. So that's OK. My RV division is much more profitable now.

[George]

Well, as you said, everything worked fine when I completely removed and deleted all my long vehicles files, and downloaded all new ones. So that's OK. My RV division is much more profitable now.

And now try to activate tropic set. What do you see?

[SHADOW-XIII]

Geroge ... well maybe too late for that ... but since you can adjust what to refit and what text can be visible here ...

maybe you could make this way: all Volvo (freight/pasenngers) in 1 Vehicle ID, how ? well ... after buing a vehicle player would be able to refit it to any cargo ... now you mostly split a vehicle into 2 vehicles ... but why ? since you can do that in 1 ?

[George]

Since you asked before, I'll attach some pics of a Inbus.

How do you like the result?

[Colonel32]

any progress with the Skoda 706 trucks...

Oh, btw, I've heard that Greyfur had stopped by... Are you still thinking of using some old czech busses?

[Snail]

Great work man!

There's not much else to be said, really... Just a couple of details, like, the roof was actually painted grey (orange was used just on the borders). I'll attach a pic here, you can see a small part of the roof and I hope it gives you the idea... it's actually kind of hard to find a pic of those buses from above. Then, on the left side, the last side window was actually narrower than the others, but I understand that this is just a matter of pixels as TTD sprites have to be drawn on scale.



The yellow stripe adds a bit of realism, there actually were some companies which had it Does it follow the TTD company color?

That same bus (U210 / U210FT) was also produced with just three doors (the second one starting from the front is missing, meaning that there's only one central door, just before the rear axle). Would it be much work to draw it and let it appear as a refit variant of it with a slightly higher capacity and lower loading speed? Hope I'm not asking too much!

By the way, it's a bit awkward to see them running on the left

Anyway, really neat. Can't wait to see the other variants

[George]

the roof was actually painted grey (orange was used just on the borders). I'll attach a pic here, you can see a small part of the roof and I hope it gives you the idea... it's actually kind of hard to find a pic of those buses from above.

I'll make both variants, with gray and orange, Ok?

Then, on the left side, the last side window was actually narrower than the others, but I understand that this is just a matter of pixels as TTD sprites have to be drawn on scale.

My mistake, will be fixed

The yellow stripe adds a bit of realism, there actually were some companies which had it Does it follow the TTD company color?

Yes, it is

That same bus (U210 / U210FT) was also produced with just three doors (the second one starting from the front is missing, meaning that there's only one central door, just before the rear axle). Would it be much work to draw it and let it appear as a refit variant of it with a slightly higher capacity and lower loading speed? Hope I'm not asking too much!

Yes, I'll do it, but if you will find a drawing of, it would be useful.

By the way, it's a bit awkward to see them running on the left

I always forget to switch it. I have english version of the TTD and it uses left side for default.

[George]

any progress with the Skoda 706 trucks...

Sorry, but I draw one sprite a day now. I have to finish Ikarus and Inbus first, and to draw Fiat 421. Skoda 706 is the next one in the TODO list

Oh, btw, I've heard that Greyfur had stopped by...

Only a few time ago he wrote, that his work is in progress.

Are you still thinking of using some old czech busses?

I already did it. Next version of LVv3 Long Buses will include Greyfur's czech buses in it.

[Snail]

Snail wrote:

That same bus (U210 / U210FT) was also produced with just three doors (the second one starting from the front is missing, meaning that there's only one central door, just before the rear axle). Would it be much work to draw it and let it appear as a refit variant of it with a slightly higher capacity and lower loading speed? Hope I'm not asking too much!

Yes, I'll do it, but if you will find a drawing of, it would be useful.

OK. You'll find it attached to this post.
You'll notice doors made of four parts on this drawing, while most of my earlier posted drawings included doors made of two parts. Both types of doors were built pretty much in the same period of time, and it was the company which decided which type to use. Historically, the prototypes (built in 1978) had four-part doors, two-part ones were introduced in about 1981-1982. The doors' width didn't change though.

The rest is good: as for the roof, both variants will be okay, even though I only saw them with grey-painted roofs. They also had some narrow longitudinal lines, I guess they were there to reinforce the structure. I think you can see them on one of those paperbus models I sent you time ago.

I can also write a few lines to post on your page when they're finished if you like, just ask me. (both for the Inbus and 421)

[Prof. Frink]

By the way, it's a bit awkward to see them running on the left

I always forget to switch it. I have english version of the TTD and it uses left side for default.

TTDAlter can change the default side for RVs in each climate.

[Snail]

By the way George, I saw there are still a few empty slots in your buses list, especially the city ones. It'd be cool if we could get something in the mid Sixties.
How about a French bus? France is a country which yet has to be represented in your package, and there were/are lots of cool vehicles manufactured there.

I was thinking about the Saviem SC10. It was by far the best selling model in France, and was produced from 1965 to 1989 in many different variants. They were heavily used in many towns, including Paris.
I'll try to attach a couple of pictures here, anyway you'll find more info at //homepage.ntlworld.com/c.fuller1/SC10.html



There was even a very unique variant with an open rear "balcony".

What do you think? I have some info (including technical drawings) of most of its variuos versions if you're interested.[/url]

[George]

By the way George, I saw there are still a few empty slots in your buses list, especially the city ones. It'd be cool if we could get something in the mid Sixties.
How about a French bus? France is a country which yet has to be represented in your package, and there were/are lots of cool vehicles manufactured there.
I was thinking about the Saviem SC10. It was by far the best selling model in France, and was produced from 1965 to 1989 in many different variants. They were heavily used in many towns, including Paris.
I'll try to attach a couple of pictures here, anyway you'll find more info at
What do you think? I have some info (including technical drawings) of most of its variuos versions if you're interested.

Do you have drawings? Like for Inbus?

[Lt gable]

i agree these buses where heavily used in paris (i saw one in the streets yesterday) and i would like to see more french vehicles in TTDX
in paris they were painted in green.

[Snail]

Do you have drawings? Like for Inbus?

Yes. I have drawings for the versions built around 1979 and for the last one, and they apply to the earlier versions too, as the chassis never changed in the production years. I'll post here three, one of the SC10U (late seventies), one of the SC10R (renewed version of the eighties) and one of the famous open-balcony one. I also put there some data about capacities (it's in french).

I also have the performance specs and some details about capacity and weight, I might be able to post them later today. For what I can remember, they started with 160hp and they received a handful hp more in the late seventies.

There are other cool French models but these are the only ones I could find drawings of so far. Just ask me for any further details.

[George]

i agree these buses where heavily used in paris (i saw one in the streets yesterday) and i would like to see more french vehicles in TTDX
in paris they were painted in green.

If you'd like to see them, help Snail to find photos, drawings, specs.
As I alway wrote - if you want something to be done and you can not do it youself, help other to do it

[Snail]

Lt gable wrote:

i agree these buses where heavily used in paris (i saw one in the streets yesterday) and i would like to see more french vehicles in TTDX
in paris they were painted in green.

If you'd like to see them, help Snail to find photos, drawings, specs.
As I alway wrote - if you want something to be done and you can not do it youself, help other to do it

I'd like to see some too! The SC10 is the only model for which I could find drawings though. I didn't know there were still some around Paris, I haven't seen them anymore since 2002 and I thought they were all gone by now.

I'd like to see the Inbus and the Fiat 421 before tho

[Lt gable]

the one i saw was sold the the 'armée du salut' and was painted in white

here are some pics of RATP livery:



and the one i saw yesterday
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[Snail]

Ok, here are some facts about the SC10

Let's start with the specs:
Length: 11 meters
Width: 2.5 meters
Height: 2.94 meters
Weight: 8665 kg (empty), 15000 (maximum authorized weight, PTAC in french - read on though as I've got further docs about this).
Engine: front, 6 cyl 7.2 liters 144 hp (later versions had 160 though)
Max speed: 60km/h
Capacity: different according to versions, read on.

A bit of history now. There were many versions, most of which were replacements to old ones (unlike, for instance, the Fiat 421 variants):
1964-1975: beginning of a first production cycle with the "SC10U".

Inside of this cycle there were some variants called UB, UBX and UC. They shared the same specs and looked about the same. The difference between UBX and UB was the sitting places' displacement.

1975-1980: second cycle with the "SC10UM".

"M" stands for modernized. The main differences concerned the interiors, the rear window (double in the U, single from the UM onwards) and the Paris livery (I'll tell you about it in the next paragraph). There were many subvariants of the UM, called "UMC", "UMR", "UMCR" etc. They all looked pretty much the same, their main difference being capacity: I've attached a drawing which will help you get an idea.
The 1977 "UMR" variant had a white roof in the Paris livery (they had been all green until that date).

1976: production of the "SC10UMA" begins.

Variants whose names end with the "A" mean they feature a rear balcony.

1979: Renault acquires Saviem and the bus changes name (Renault SC10xx instead of Saviem SC10xx).

1980-1981: "SC10UO" introduced, featuring some minor changes like the back lights.

1981: third and last generation with the "SC10R".

"R" stands for "restyled", as these buses featured a totally new front part (more squared) to make them look more modern, and the doors had glass in all of their heights (glass had only occupied the upper part until that date). The interiors, and thus the capacity, was unchanged.

1987: the rear balcony returns with the "SC10RA" (the UMA variant was discontinued with the UM). These buses featured a two-part rear door half as wide as the others, as you can see in the pics.

1989: the SC10 production stops.

As for liveries, I collected some data about the Paris trans company (RATP). There were essentially four liveries, which I called in the pics "greenorig", "greenold", "greennew" and "current" (that's the correct order). The first one equipped the very first SC10U's: the second one was introduced in 1975 with the SC10UM: the third one in 1981 with the R's: and the fourth one came in the late Nineties and equipped the last R's. "Greenorig" and "greenold" featured a green roof, until 1977 with the UMR variant. I hope the pics will help you out.
There was even a blue,experimental livery which was almost only used in prototypes. Maybe it could equip the first production year.

However, unlike Italian buses, this livery scheme only applied in Paris, and other towns featured SC10's in lots of different colors, usually white + something else.

As for capacity, you'll find a file which shows it for pretty much all of the production (SC10_capacity). It's in french, but I hope it's comprehensible. I'm sorry, I realised that earlier today I sent you the wrong file: just ignore it.
The file "cap_weight" shows capacity and weight for the UM variants and the R. ("assis" means sitting; "debout" means standing; "masse à vide" is the empty weight, "masse en charge" the full weight and PTAC is the max weight).
The file "SC10_cap_variants" refers instead to the first bus series (SC10U). As you'll notice from some pics, the SC10U was also produced in a 3-door variant (others had almost always 2 doors): it's the "2 agents", meaning that the driver was helped by a ticket taker. I have no side drawings of it (sorry). It had fewer places but in TTD it could have a shorter loading time. Notice the first door was half as wide as normal.
I included a two-door SC10U drawing too, so you can see how its double rear window was designed.

As for life, since some of them are still hitting the street, I'd say something between 16 and 18 years would be fine.

To Lt Gable: feel free to correct me if I wrote anything wrong or if you have further info

Hope this helps.

[Lt gable]

nothing more to say, good homework would give A+

[George]

Ok, here are some facts about the SC10
1979: Renault acquires Saviem and the bus changes name (Renault SC10xx instead of Saviem SC10xx).

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