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Voyager One wrote:No I didn't. It's the same map from above but Germany, Austria and Switzerland get placed into two regions instead of just one.

Yes, so now we have another discussion about splitting countries over multiple regions. That's making the discussion more complex, since there are options available, and thus a whole lot more opinions on the matter

All the more reason to do this;

Transportman wrote:I'll stick to the official regions as first go, refining is always possible.

So we can enjoy the regional parameter while discussing the European division for the next 10 years

Purno wrote:

Transportman wrote:I'll stick to the official regions as first go, refining is always possible.

So we can enjoy the regional parameter while discussing the European division for the next 10 years

I agree with this, I'm just "discussing for the future"...

Purno wrote:so now we have another discussion about splitting countries over multiple regions.

Not really. Only Europe is "problematic". All other continents are defined very strictly.

https://www.madison.k12.al.us/Schools/l ... ts-map.jpg

We have only two countries that stretch across two continents - Russia and Turkey - and thet is settled, they will be available in Asia and Europe both.

Eddi wrote:that's a good idea. i'd probably also put france into two regions.

That could be a good idea too.

Voyager One wrote:Who says one country MUST be in one region only?

I have same thoughts.
German and Austrian locomotives, especially BR 52, are a must have for eastern block.

Looking at the development sheet, there's a fairly even distribution of countries between the north/south/east/west divisions, I say leave it at that. If somebody is overwhelmed by vehicles in one, newer versions of OpenTTD will let them be further selective of the ones they want.

Voyager One wrote:https://www.madison.k12.al.us/Schools/l ... ts-map.jpg

I did pull Indonesia with Australia and named it Oceania... How many people did I upset by this?

Voyager One wrote:and thet is settled, they will be available in Asia and Europe both.

Wait, did I miss something?

Transportman wrote:

Voyager One wrote:https://www.madison.k12.al.us/Schools/l ... ts-map.jpg

I did pull Indonesia with Australia and named it Oceania... How many people did I upset by this?

There are some definitions of Oceania that include both Australia and Indonesia (or at least Indonesian New Guinea), so I don't think it should cause problems. It doesn't bother me as an Australian, anyway . Perhaps you could count Indonesia as both Oceanian and South-East Asian?

Why not just by continents as planned, less work, less parameters, less code (yes not that much, but still less is better), less confusion, less discussion, etc...

I think the issue was the balance of the number of vehicles. I thought somebody posted the breakdown but I don't see it now so I just looked on the spreadsheet. Basically Germany and UK hog the bulk of the vehicles with 31 and 19, and the rest have 0-9 each. I say so be it, it is what it is.

Digitalfox wrote:Why not just by continents as planned, less work, less parameters, less code (yes not that much, but still less is better), less confusion, less discussion, etc...

It indeed has to do with the amount of vehicles in each region. Europe is already heavily represented, with the bulk in Germany and several other countries also hogging quite a number. Therefore separating Europe in regions is needed. I will stick with the EuroVoc regions of Europe, with Turkey and Russia part of Asia. If needed, we can always shuffle countries around.

kamnet wrote:I think the issue was the balance of the number of vehicles. I thought somebody posted the breakdown but I don't see it now so I just looked on the spreadsheet. Basically Germany and UK hog the bulk of the vehicles with 31 and 19, and the rest have 0-9 each. I say so be it, it is what it is.

You mean the breakdown I made in this post? That was for the regions Voyager One suggested, the one on the spreadsheet is with the EuroVoc regions.

Transportman wrote:

Digitalfox wrote:Why not just by continents as planned, less work, less parameters, less code (yes not that much, but still less is better), less confusion, less discussion, etc...

It indeed has to do with the amount of vehicles in each region. Europe is already heavily represented, with the bulk in Germany and several other countries also hogging quite a number. Therefore separating Europe in regions is needed. I will stick with the EuroVoc regions of Europe, with Turkey and Russia part of Asia. If needed, we can always shuffle countries around.

kamnet wrote:I think the issue was the balance of the number of vehicles. I thought somebody posted the breakdown but I don't see it now so I just looked on the spreadsheet. Basically Germany and UK hog the bulk of the vehicles with 31 and 19, and the rest have 0-9 each. I say so be it, it is what it is.

You mean the breakdown I made in this post? That was for the regions Voyager One suggested, the one on the spreadsheet is with the EuroVoc regions.

Good point!

While I'll always be using "ALL TRAINS" mode, I understand that some might find it too much, but my point is don't overload the user with too many parameters, don't go to the point of having a parameter for each country

Transportman wrote:

Voyager One wrote:and thet is settled, they will be available in Asia and Europe both.

Wait, did I miss something?

Didn't we already agree that Russian and Turkish vehicles will be available in both Asia and Europe? If not, then I must have misunderstood something, sorry.

Transportman wrote:I did pull Indonesia with Australia and named it Oceania... How many people did I upset by this

Wait, did I miss something this time? I though we are joining Asia and Oceania together because of very very few Oceania vehicles...

Voyager One wrote:Didn't we already agree that Russian and Turkish vehicles will be available in both Asia and Europe? If not, then I must have misunderstood something, sorry.

I will make it possible to change easily, but will not yet implement it, if needed it can always be changed then.

Voyager One wrote:

Transportman wrote:I did pull Indonesia with Australia and named it Oceania... How many people did I upset by this

Wait, did I miss something this time? I though we are joining Asia and Oceania together because of very very few Oceania vehicles...

With all the additional vehicles you have drawn, the amount of vehicles in Oceania is not something I worry about any more and Asia already has quite a few vehicles, so I see no reason anymore to merge Asia and Oceania.

Transportman wrote:With all the additional vehicles you have drawn, the amount of vehicles in Oceania is not something I worry about any more and Asia already has quite a few vehicles, so I see no reason anymore to merge Asia and Oceania.

No problem. I simply thought Oceania is massively underrepresented. After all, 99% of its vehicles come from Australia and New Zealand.

Voyager One wrote:

Transportman wrote:With all the additional vehicles you have drawn, the amount of vehicles in Oceania is not something I worry about any more and Asia already has quite a few vehicles, so I see no reason anymore to merge Asia and Oceania.

No problem. I simply thought Oceania is massively underrepresented. After all, 99% of its vehicles come from Australia and New Zealand.

With all those new vehicles, the only regions massively underrepresented are Africa and South America, their total equals Oceania (as can be seen on the spreadsheet).

Transportman wrote:the only regions massively underrepresented are Africa and South America

I am aware of that unfortunately. And there was very little I could do about it. There is simply very little info on vehicles from those regions, especially older vehicles.

Regarding my previous Asia-Oceania thinking, I've been guiding myself with the fact that Oceania is much smaller than e.g. Africa and S.America and it could be "attached" to Asia with lesser "consequences".

Now, last thing, regarding S. America, we could join the two Americas together...

Voyager One wrote:Now, last thing, regarding S. America, we could join the two Americas together...

So could the player by selecting both regions.

I see no reason why we should force that choice upon the players.

That's true. My bad.

Well, what do you think? I haven't coded it for the actual vehicles, but this is how the parameter menu will look like with all regions in there. I also added an entry to disable concept vehicles, as discussed earlier.

One small remark - there are two "Western" Europes...

Voyager One wrote:One small remark - there are two "Western" Europes...

That was a copy-paste error in the language file, all other names were properly updated. Even the description of Eastern Europe was updated, only the parameter name was not...