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Aha, on that way, thanks!
I will change them.

And how about Breng? Is it correct or ?

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I hope this pantographs are correct ... I thought somebody notice that there also gonne be a "Vechtdal" Livery.

I can try to make it...

The breng looks good to me!

Voyager One wrote:

colossal404 wrote:That silo wagon doesn't have that grey rings on it as it's on the drawn ones. And I think the shape is not correct too.

oberhümer wrote:At the very least, the gaps at the ends are missing.

That silo on the picture was just an example. When I was drawing this one, I was using a different picture. I'll look for it. BTW, here are some other examples, as you can see, they vary in shapes...

I veto your usage of international examples in pictures. Unfortunately I know nothing about freight wagons, and searching for Dutch examples at railfaneurope didn't result in any findings. Bah. My knownledge really lacks on freight wagons. I've seen them. I know roughly how they look like. I will recognize them from a picture. But I just don't know their codes or whatever company uses them to perform a proper search around the interwebs.

Either way, *please* try to use Dutch examples first.

I'm probably a bit late with this, however;

The Veolia livery misses it's Veolia logo at the front (1x) and sides (3x). Additionally the roof seems to be lighter gray in the pictures I find (could be because those show new trains and aren't weathered yet). And the white paint/stickers don't go as high up the roof as the Arriva livery. I doubt you can see the white paint/stickers at the other side of the train when looking up at the roof.

And, oddly, all liveries seem to missing the 3rd headlight. I guess I overlooked that when drawing the original sprites.

Those veolia issues are probably my bad

And it's never too late to improve sprites!

I also updated the wiki to link to the latest nightly of v2.

Purno wrote: I'm probably a bit late with this, however;

The Veolia livery misses it's Veolia logo at the front (1x) and sides (3x). Additionally the roof seems to be lighter gray in the pictures I find (could be because those show new trains and aren't weathered yet). And the white paint/stickers don't go as high up the roof as the Arriva livery. I doubt you can see the white paint/stickers at the other side of the train when looking up at the roof.

And, oddly, all liveries seem to missing the 3rd headlight. I guess I overlooked that when drawing the original sprites.

I will change them to grey. About the logo, i'm afraid that for the front side it looks like a third back light... And for the side's i don't think it wouldn't be visible as a logo.

Anyway, i can add them and see how it looks and post it here.

Front logo, perhaps, though it's a slightly darker red. Side logos should be large enough for a few red pixels. Several trains in the set have a NS logo of 2 pixels

Purno wrote:I veto your usage of international examples in pictures.

Now I remembered something about those silo wagons!

Currently, there are NONE in Holland. I've send those to FooBar to be included as futuristic.

colossal404 wrote:draw more shapes and randomize them or make them to change shape if the player refit them to another cargo.

This can be done, good idea!

Voyager One wrote:

Purno wrote:I veto your usage of international examples in pictures.

Now I remembered something about those silo wagons!

Currently, there are NONE in Holland.

Unpossible! Or well, I've seen something which at least looks like silo cars. Are you sure there's no actual silo cars in the Netherlands?

I've send those to FooBar to be included as futuristic.

Unveto! I guess they'll be fine as futuristic ones.

colossal404 wrote:draw more shapes and randomize them or make them to change shape if the player refit them to another cargo.

This can be done, good idea!

On a side note, I like it if there's minor color variations in cargo wagons, as IRL, none of them has the exact same color. I did this with quite a few of my own sprites for cargo wagons with only very minor color changes. Personally, I <3 it. Gives a tad more work though. See below example;

Purno wrote:

Voyager One wrote:

Purno wrote:I veto your usage of international examples in pictures.

Now I remembered something about those silo wagons!

Currently, there are NONE in Holland.

Unpossible! Or well, I've seen something which at least looks like silo cars. Are you sure there's no actual silo cars in the Netherlands?

I think I've seen things like these in the Netherlands;




And holy crap...

http://flickrhivemind.net/Tags/silowagens/Recent

That dude got more pics of Silo stuff in the Netherlands (not all of them, but quite a few).

As future wagon everything is acceptable IMO. And it doesn't need to be based on real life at all.

As for silo wagons at this moment we often have a lot of these: http://karow900.startbilder.de/name/ein ... wagen.html
Same type of thing Purno has found.

For pictures of cargo wagons in general, this is a nice page: http://www.flickr.com/photos/remcowagonnetje/
With location of photograph and exact name and number of the wagon and everything.

Nicely done Foo.

Voyager One wrote:

Purno wrote:I veto your usage of international examples in pictures.

Now I remembered something about those silo wagons!

Currently, there are NONE in Holland.

I veto.

Sorry, I'm not really helpful on those cargo wagons I'm more familiar with passenger trains.

And I couldn't find any! Well, when I'm wrong, I'm seriously wrong.

BTW, people sometimes confuse these silo wagons with modern self-discharger hoppers. They're not the same, not even close. Silos are fully watertight, more like tankers, and are designed for "sensible" cargos like cement or lime or grain. The only similarity is that both have self-discharging equipment (read: holes) at the bottom of their hold.

EDIT: Thank you both for additional data and pics! They will be VERY helpful. In any case, I'll finish those pax/mail wagons first.

So far, most Silo wagons I see are more round than hoppers. Is that a general rule-of-thumb I could use?

Not necessarily but 99% true. Anything specifically designed for i.e. cement or lime should fall into the "silo" category.

EDIT: They are still a little bit sloped at the bottom so the cargo can slide out easily.

What kinda cargos do these silo things carry, apart from the above-mentioned cement and lime?

Any bulk cargo that is i.e. susceptible to water...

Grain, cereals, coffee beans, flour, seeds... stuff like that.

EDIT: rice, animal feed, sugar
http://www.waggonbau-graaff.de/v/s/cont ... 01028DB424

EDIT: This is also a silo wagon, older and smaller version but truly Dutch!

Purno wrote: I'm probably a bit late with this, however;

The Veolia livery misses it's Veolia logo at the front (1x) and sides (3x). Additionally the roof seems to be lighter gray in the pictures I find (could be because those show new trains and aren't weathered yet). And the white paint/stickers don't go as high up the roof as the Arriva livery. I doubt you can see the white paint/stickers at the other side of the train when looking up at the roof.

And, oddly, all liveries seem to missing the 3rd headlight. I guess I overlooked that when drawing the original sprites.

So how about this one ?

Location is fine, but you forgot to take shading and lighting in account