ECS vectors v1.1.2 (by George) 19/06/2011

[wallyweb]

Important 2! I'm in trouble with new texts in fund new industry window. I'm in doubts, what should I write there. For example, what should I write for a mine while a player CAN'T to build one. He can only prospect one and the location conditions are not important for him, he can't manage them anyway. The only thing he may use is the success probability, max, average and min capacities. What else? So, I'm waiting for your suggestions for new industry window.

For resource industries that must be prospected, why put anything other than "Good luck"?. Other than positioning requirements for non-resource industries, what does the player really need or want to know?

2Wallyweb:
Could you please try to create wiki pages for new industries and features? I'm a bit busy now, but I hope I shall find time to fix mistakes if you'll make any.

I'll see what I can do. Shall I use the same format as with the tourist centers?
Also ... I'll need to know the features.

BUG REPORT
Using the Beta 4 Town Vector in the scenario editor, all its graphics (Tourist Centers, Factory and Bank) are displaying as groups of mine heads. The default TTDX bank displays properly.
I have to add the Beta 4 Basic Vector to get them to display properly when I build them. What if a player only wants to use the Town Vector and not the Basic Vector?
Also, when trying to build a shipyard near water in the town suburbs on a 2x2 block of tiles, I get too many error messages "Can't build shipyard here ... site unsuitable". Please tell us what we need for a site to be suitable.

[Korenn]

George, what if i provide you a variable that will tell you the size of the map? Not like 512*512 or else, but more in the idea of a range, from 0 to 12.
This could allow you to make it so the closure would be proportional to the map's size. The bigger, the longer before it closes.
I do not have the code with me right now, though.
If I remember correctly, TTDP is going to use the range 3, which stands for 256*256 (or any combination that gives the same amount of tiles).
Just a though.
I've worked on that in order to find a way to allow adapting numbers of industries and towns in another way as the current relation with map size that we have. But if it could give you more flexibility, i'd be happy to code and commit the variable.

Well, why not have it. But how should closure chance change on 512x256 map (size x 2) or 128x256 (size / 2) in comparison with 256x256 map? I think they should be the same

It shouldn't be the same, because on a larger map, it takes far longer for your network to be big enough to reach the larger amount of industries. The more industries on the map, the longer it takes players to link them up.

[George]

For resource industries that must be prospected, why put anything other than "Good luck"?

How lucky should you be? 5% chance? 25% chance? 66%? 100%?

Other than positioning requirements for non-resource industries, what does the player really need or want to know?

But he will get location messages anyway, so he will find out what is wrong with any location.

Shall I use the same format as with the tourist centers?

May be something like steel mill and factory would fit better? Tourist centres are a special case

Also ... I'll need to know the features.

Advanced closure, exhaust warning

BUG REPORT
Using the Beta 4 Town Vector in the scenario editor, all its graphics (Tourist Centers, Factory and Bank) are displaying as groups of mine heads.

They are fine here. Does it happen for a newly created scenario? Do cheats reload industries and purge industries make any change? If not, please provide more information. BTW, does it work in new random games?

I have to add the Beta 4 Basic Vector to get them to display properly when I build them. What if a player only wants to use the Town Vector and not the Basic Vector?

I do not know, I can't reproduce it.

Also, when trying to build a shipyard near water in the town suburbs on a 2x2 block of tiles, I get too many error messages "Can't build shipyard here ... site unsuitable". Please tell us what we need for a site to be suitable.

Looks like a bug in TTDP

Code: Select all

10830 * 18	 02 0A 03 81 0C 00 FF 02
                 01 80 22 22
                 02 00 28 28
                 00 FF
10831 * 7	 03 0A 01 10 00 03 00

this code should disable ship yard BOTH in game and SE. But it does not! You can build it in SE! It is a bug!

Industry availability (22)
Called when TTDPatch needs to know if a given industry type is available.
Return zero to make your type available, or any nonzero value to disable it.

[George]

how should closure chance change on 512x256 map (size x 2) or 128x256 (size / 2) in comparison with 256x256 map? I think they should be the same

It shouldn't be the same, because on a larger map, it takes far longer for your network to be big enough to reach the larger amount of industries. The more industries on the map, the longer it takes players to link them up.

It does not affect closure chance. It affects protection period.

[wallyweb]

For resource industries that must be prospected, why put anything other than "Good luck"?

How lucky should you be? 5% chance? 25% chance? 66%? 100%?

How about 90%? Anything less would be extremely frustrating for the player.

Other than positioning requirements for non-resource industries, what does the player really need or want to know?

But he will get location messages anyway, so he will find out what is wrong with any location.

He should have positioning information before trying to build so that he will be able to plan ahead. The messages should be for errors in case the player makes a mistake.

Shall I use the same format as with the tourist centers?

May be something like steel mill and factory would fit better? Tourist centres are a special case

ok ... I can do that.

Also ... I'll need to know the features.

Advanced closure, exhaust warning

I will add these to the general information page.

BUG REPORT
Using the Beta 4 Town Vector in the scenario editor, all its graphics (Tourist Centers, Factory and Bank) are displaying as groups of mine heads.

They are fine here. Does it happen for a newly created scenario? Do cheats reload industries and purge industries make any change? If not, please provide more information. BTW, does it work in new random games?

This was for a newly created scenario using the latest ttdpatch. The newgrf configuration is as you see it in the GRF status window. I will do a purge and a reload to see what happens.

I have to add the Beta 4 Basic Vector to get them to display properly when I build them. What if a player only wants to use the Town Vector and not the Basic Vector?

I do not know, I can't reproduce it.

Which patch version are you using? Can you PM to me your patch configuration?
EDIT Never mind ... cht:reloadindustries fixed the problem.

Also, when trying to build a shipyard near water in the town suburbs on a 2x2 block of tiles, I get too many error messages "Can't build shipyard here ... site unsuitable". Please tell us what we need for a site to be suitable.

Looks like a bug in TTDP

Code: Select all

10830 * 18	 02 0A 03 81 0C 00 FF 02
                 01 80 22 22
                 02 00 28 28
                 00 FF
10831 * 7	 03 0A 01 10 00 03 00

this code should disable ship yard BOTH in game and SE. But it does not! You can build it in SE! It is a bug!

Industry availability (22)
Called when TTDPatch needs to know if a given industry type is available.
Return zero to make your type available, or any nonzero value to disable it.

If this is a possible patch bug, then when I have a chance I will post it in the Problems Forum ... unless some nice patch developer replies here.

[George]

BUG REPORT
Using the Beta 4 Town Vector in the scenario editor, all its graphics (Tourist Centers, Factory and Bank) are displaying as groups of mine heads.

They are fine here. Does it happen for a newly created scenario? Do cheats reload industries and purge industries make any change? If not, please provide more information. BTW, does it work in new random games?

This was for a newly created scenario using the latest ttdpatch. The newgrf configuration is as you see it in the GRF status window. I will do a purge and a reload to see what happens.

your screen shot looks strange. IT looks like a Palenque, but you should be able to build Palenque only in RAIN FOREST

EDIT Never mind ... cht:reloadindustries fixed the problem.

And what about Palenque? How could you build it outside rain forest?

[wallyweb]

your screen shot looks strange. IT looks like a Palenque, but you should be able to build Palenque only in RAIN FOREST

And what about Palenque? How could you build it outside rain forest?

It was fixed with the reloadindustries. No more Palenque!

[George]

Csaboka, Belugas

Could you please add random value in var 10 or 18 for Industry location permissibility callback (28)?

[Draakon]

Do you have archives of older versions?

[George]

Do you have archives of older versions?

Mostly no. I make a backup when I start a huge change, but usually it happens once in 2 months. What file are you looking for?

[Draakon]

Beta 3 of Basic, Town and machinery.

[George]

Beta 3 of Basic, Town and machinery.

Beta 3 is not a version
I have a copy from 01-12-2007. I doubt that it is what you need

[Draakon]

Ok then, V1 Beta 3 of Town Vectors, Basic Vectors and Machinery Vectors

[George]

Ok then, V1 Beta 3 of Town Vectors, Basic Vectors and Machinery Vectors

What is v1?
The version data is a number and a date. Like ECS Town vector. Beta 4 (11/01/2008)

[Draakon]

Oh, i thought it was like i said(i am used with this kind of version system) but if i remember correctly it is ECS Town,Basic,Machinery Beta 3 December releases(about 6-11 December). Sorry i dint save that date to my brain.

[Smaug]

Hi,

Edit: I was experiencing some problems with the latest Town Vectors, Basic Vectors and Machinery Vectors when I updated them with the latest versions from the 11th of januari. However those problems disapeared when I also updated my openttd nightly to the latest version. Sorry for the interuption.

George, thanks for your wonderful work! I wish you luck and good health!

[George]

Oh, i thought it was like i said(i am used with this kind of version system) but if i remember correctly it is ECS Town,Basic,Machinery Beta 3 December releases(about 6-11 December). Sorry i dint save that date to my brain.

No, these dates were deleted. I have only 24 November 2007.

[Draakon]

24 November will be enough too. Can you send me them?
PS: it would be good if you start archiving but you decide

[George]

24 November will be enough too. Can you send me them?
PS: it would be good if you start archiving but you decide

Why should I create archives more often?

[Draakon]

24 November will be enough too. Can you send me them?
PS: it would be good if you start archiving but you decide

Why should I create archives more often?

well for me i want the old versions more because i personally dont like new coal mines and other stuff and maybe other members feel that too