templates & basics savegame

Salvo_guy · Post by **Salvo_guy** » 19 Jul 2006 21:36

looks good from here...

would users b able to upload there templates aswell... so users can share?

and then possibly use a ranking system as well...

Rens2Sea · Post by **Rens2Sea** » 19 Jul 2006 22:26

Salvo_guy wrote:looks good from here...

would users b able to upload there templates aswell... so users can share?

and then possibly use a ranking system as well...

People need to register to upload and comment.

I'm against a ranking system, that will only create competition between players, and the comments system is enough to express your opinion about a certain template.

I'll probably make this whole site much bigger, adding categories and such. Making it all TTD related, not only OpenTTD or the templates.
Think of it as Fileplanet, but for TTD stuff only.

Salvo_guy · Post by **Salvo_guy** » 20 Jul 2006 06:53

sounds good... but could b a "logistical" nightmare...

how would you plane on getting "all" the patch's etc and other files? when they're updated...

well i'd offer my services to help... but i'm not much good at coding stuff...

skidd13 · Post by **skidd13** » 21 Jul 2006 22:16

New Savegame is attatched.
This is a pre-version, where not all things are at the final state.

Missing:
- Testing Grounds
- most load-balancer's (need at first some basic's here, ot to complex!!)
- some classification

Need some feedback and examples for "simple" load balancers.

@Rens2Sea:
I think the idea to make it possible for anybody to upload junctions is not so good. I'd prefer the idea, that users apply for upload junctions, or just to post them to an "admin" or someone who cares for style, rules and so on.

Edit: Savegame removed. Use the latest one

skidd13 · Post by **skidd13** » 23 Jul 2006 23:25

Here is the new styled savegame with first testing area. Please comment. Is it ok?
If not post your proposal.

EDIT: Attachment revoved

Salvo_guy · Post by **Salvo_guy** » 24 Jul 2006 00:43

well i would like to download that, but for some reason (using a crappy mac... like i mean networked school mac) it just won't download.. i have ottd on here tho...

but when i get home tonight i will download it and tell you what i think...

From what i saw of the beta... i think this should b a good "update"

skidd13 · Post by **skidd13** » 24 Jul 2006 08:37

Added a lock to exchange the junction more easy.

EDIT: Attachment removed

Salvo_guy · Post by **Salvo_guy** » 25 Jul 2006 01:39

just a point with the testing "zone" i only found one junction to use in that zone...

probably best having a few "zones" (ie 4 way, load balancer, station)
the way that the testing zone is currently set out... it is customized with very little space for modification... as i believe the zone was intended to be used, a larger section that can cope with possibly 3 of the biggest templates that are in use in the savegame...

Just thought i'd tell you... and the "locking system" is quite a nice idea... good work with that...

skidd13 · Post by **skidd13** » 25 Jul 2006 08:28

This is only the first testing area.

These will follow:

junction of 4 lines with 4 tracks wip by Salvo_guy
junction of 4 lines with 2 2 tracks and 2 4 tracks
junction of 4 lines with 2 tracks
junction of 3 lines with 4 tracks
junction of 3 lines with 1 2 track and 2 4 tracks build by skidd13
junction of 3 lines with 2 tracks
station testion with 4 tracks
station testion with 3 tracks
station testion with 2 tracks
load balancer 4 tracks
load balancer 3 tracks build by skidd13
load balancer 2 tracks

The first one was just for testing purpose

if there is enough traffic and a good station config to load the traffic and don't jam into the junction.

@all
I need a bit help with all that work.
It would be nice if some people would build some (or even just one) of these teseting areas.
(just one condition: build them realistic, so everyone can use them.)

@Salvo_guy
The first junction is for SLH testing, those SLH's are a main part of the #openttdcoop game play and most of their junctions don't need more space than that for this.

Salvo_guy wrote:Just thought i'd tell you... and the "locking system" is quite a nice idea... good work with that...

THX

Salvo_guy · Post by **Salvo_guy** » 28 Jul 2006 01:53

i'll start working on some of the tester junctions... i'll just make them with a standard amount of trains per station.

So that you can see exactly how efficient each junction is... i was thinking like maybe 15 trains for a 6-8 platorm station? (possibly 20 trains)

skidd13 · Post by **skidd13** » 28 Jul 2006 08:02

Errr, on the the big junctions I build, I have an amount of 40-70 trains.
Maybe that has to be balanced.
But the jam density is an indicator to differ the junctions.

I think a crossing junction (with 2 in and 2 out each) should be used by about 50-90 trains.
I think a crossing junction (with 1 in and 1 out each) should be used by about 30-60 trains.
But that all depends on the length between the stations.
short way, less trains = longer way, more trains
I prefer the longer way, cause there the people can test their junctions easyer, or even build new efficiant junctions.

The testiong areas can be mor then just testing they can also be used to develop new junctions.

@Salvo_guy:
On which testing areas are you working?

Salvo_guy · Post by **Salvo_guy** » 28 Jul 2006 09:09

i'll work on the 2x2 4-way junction...

and possibly a Hub tester

skidd13 · Post by **skidd13** » 02 Aug 2006 13:01

Savegame updated. (See 1st post)

@Salvo_guy:
How far is your testing area?

shampie · Post by **shampie** » 03 Aug 2006 01:05

I didnt see this junction yet, usefull?

Salvo_guy · Post by **Salvo_guy** » 03 Aug 2006 07:00

thats a clover leaf... and well... it was on there... but its pretty much useless

cabbit · Post by **cabbit** » 14 Sep 2006 18:22

I downloaded the sav. it's very nice, but I noticed all the mainline junctions assume you will run your mainline track right next to each other. I ussaully put an empty square in between them. See the picture below. Would you want my templates for a 4 by 4, 2 by 4, and T junctions?

skidd13 · Post by **skidd13** » 14 Sep 2006 19:26

@cabbit: nice junction, I'll add it.

So please post this in a savegame, cause I'm too lazy to reconstruct it.

THX

cabbit · Post by **cabbit** » 14 Sep 2006 23:12

Here's my best three junctions. I must admit the basic idea for the first one was suggested by someone else. I use the versions w/ suspension steel brideges becuase I start games around 1920. For some of the bridges I could have used tunnels but, hey, I like the way bridges look.

Brianetta · Post by **Brianetta** » 15 Sep 2006 09:08

cabbit wrote:I noticed all the mainline junctions assume you will run your mainline track right next to each other. I ussaully put an empty square in between them.

One has to wonder why you do. You don't appear to make any use of this space at all.

DannyA · Post by **DannyA** » 19 Sep 2006 13:59

Howdy,

I reckon you've got a good idea, making a save game with templates. I checked it out a while back and was pretty impressed, and some if the ideas I’ve used here have come from that.

I think it would be even better if you changed the climate to desert and used monorail instead of basic rail. I reckon the monorail much easier to follow, and using desert helps even more since you don't get any trees or the picket fence beside the track cluttering things up. The option to convert the track type when you paste makes the source type pretty irrelevant.

Also, I've been fiddling around with different YAPF settings and setup a test (attached) which worked OK, moving twenty something thousand items between a couple of 64 platform stations. The changes I made allow preferred routes to be setup with a single slope, giving less emphasis on corners etc. I included the script I used to apply these settings to other existing games, or change them. (exec ApplyYapfConfig.txt) in the console.

This stuff has probably been done before, but I couldn’t find it.
The station entrance works really well for it’s size. Slopes cause trains to take bypass empty platforms leaving green signals behind them. This way several trains can enter the pre-signal block at once, or are held up at the entrance if the station is full.

The station exits I pinched from some of the OTTDCoop save games, and they work as well as any I've tried. Usually I find the exits are the bottle neck, but the 8 lines out of the station, supporting 8 platforms each do the job.

These are merged back to 4 tracks with a line merger built by pasting a small section of track (attached) over and over again (to make something a bit more like spaghetti). All the slopes from the edge where you want the trains to end up have been removed.
The idea is that trains all want to go to the edge with no slopes, but have to give priority to existing traffic in those 'better' lanes. They will move across if it’s free, or keep going till they hit something – or find out the lane they’re in is not so bad after all…
The biggest problem I had was when a signal turned red a moment after a train committed to the branch towards it, stopping the train and tying everything up. There is a bypass track as part of this merger, which allows following trains to continue past one stopped in this manner. It does the job OK, and can be made to merge as many tracks are required to however many you like with a series of ‘ctrl V’s, but there is certainly room for improvement, such as shortening it and alternating the lane speeds to merge the traffic better.

Instead I’m following another idea which allows trains to be diverted based upon pre-signals without any chance of being stoped, which works by driving signals with their own presence at various points. I got this to work, but it’s too big and clunky to be practical at this stage.

It would be good if there were any similar examples of this kicking around which I could take a look at…

Comments anyone...

Cheers,

Danny

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