[RELEASE] Prague metro pack v5.5 - includes Moscow trains

The Irish · Post by **The Irish** » 23 Mar 2006 16:15

Are these trains the ones which are still running on Prague Metro line A?

strongbow · Post by **strongbow** » 23 Mar 2006 17:48

The Irish wrote:Are these trains the ones which are still running on Prague Metro line A?

The ECS train isn't running anymore since 1997. On line A, the 81-71 has been running until last year, which is quite similar to ECS. Check here for pictures:

http://www.metroweb.cz/metro/VOZIDLA.htm

Basically, the only difference between ECS and 81-71 is the front mask.

Right now, there's Siemens M1's running on line C, modernised 81-71M on line A and the old 81-71's on line B. But they'll be phased out slowly by the M1's or the 81-71M.

-s

strongbow · Post by **strongbow** » 23 Mar 2006 17:56

Oleg wrote:Wow. Someone has ever made anything in Moscow livery... Moscow Metro Train. Calm and blue and natural on the great green fields of Locomotion... Many thanks to the author.

Thanks!

Do you, by any chance, know about other liveries / colors the train has been running in? I saw some pictures from Moscow and Peteresburg of a darkblue train with a white stripe. Was that the ECS or the newer one 81-70? Do you know of any other cities in ex-Soviet Union that were running the ECS in other colors than the dark/lightblue?

As for my todo list for version 3.0:

- metro station
- brighten up dark sides of the Moscow train
- ECS with company colors

Progress is slow, but steady. I'm a bit annoyed by the limitations of the game engine - 256 colors, stations have to be inserted into trackst.dat, no antialiasing on edges... Oh well.

Oleg · Post by **Oleg** » 26 Mar 2006 17:20

strongbow wrote:Do you, by any chance, know about other liveries / colors the train has been running in?

You mean this very train "Type E"? In Moscow, E-type trains mainly have the livery you've drawn.

Yet in Kharkov (Ukraine) for example there are trains with green top and even a modernized E-type train which looks like its later successors.

I saw some pictures from Moscow and Peteresburg of a darkblue train with a white stripe. Was that the ECS or the newer one 81-70?

It was definitly the newer one. The 81 series have a nice white stripe which is "V"- or "X"-shaped on the doors:

Do you know of any other cities in ex-Soviet Union that were running the ECS in other colors than the dark/lightblue?

Well, "ECS" means E-type for Czechoslovakia, in the USSR these trains were named just Type E. Besides, Type E is rather old, and when Metro systems were built in other ex-USSR cities, they were mainly supplied with more modern 81 Series.

BTW don't you want to draw a 81 Series also? A lot of these trains were also made for export. If you need pictures, just ask

Besides, taking into consideration the scale of drawing, you won't need too much work, as the visual differences between type E and type 81 are not very large. Or, you could make a conversion, as there are 81-717 and 81-714 drawn for MSTS.

P.S. Good luck in your work!

strongbow · Post by **strongbow** » 26 Mar 2006 19:36

Oleg wrote: You mean this very train "Type E"? In Moscow, E-type trains mainly have the livery you've drawn.

Yet in Kharkov (Ukraine) for example there are trains with green top and even a modernized E-type train which looks like its later successors.

Ok, thanks! I guess those liveries are not too different from the Moscow version, so I'll pass on making them. But those Charkov blue/yellow colors are quite nice.

Oleg wrote: Well, "ECS" means E-type for Czechoslovakia, in the USSR these trains were named just Type E. Besides, Type E is rather old, and when Metro systems were built in other ex-USSR cities, they were mainly supplied with more modern 81 Series.

Eh.

This makes me look quite stupid, I didn't realize the CS in Ecs was standing for Czechoslovakia.

Hehe. Geez. I'll rename the Moscow version to "E Moscow" in the next release, promise!

Oleg wrote: BTW don't you want to draw a 81 Series also? A lot of these trains were also made for export. If you need pictures, just ask Besides, taking into consideration the scale of drawing, you won't need too much work, as the visual differences between type E and type 81 are not very large. Or, you could make a conversion, as there are 81-717 and 81-714 drawn for MSTS.

True, for Locomotion purposes, it would be enough to change the front mask. I don't need any pics, there's a line B metro station just a couple of streets away where 81-71's still operate.

If I make it, I'll definitely do the Moscow livery too - blue with white stripe. Gimme some time, maybe it'll come sooner than you think.

Thanks for your informative post!

Oleg · Post by **Oleg** » 27 Mar 2006 06:56

Thanks for your detailed reply

I'll look forward to your next releases. BTW, 81-71's come in a large variety of liveries. In Kiev they can be gray, Nescafe (awful!) and even cucumber (it's not a joke!). In Samara they also look completely different. There has also been one Series 81 trainset painted green for Teheran Metro, but its destiny is unknown.

I'll rename the Moscow version to "E Moscow"

If you want to be historically correct, it should be just "E", or maybe "Type E", as it was marked by its manufacturer. There has also been a modification called "Ezh" (Type E, modification zh, often referred to as "hedgehog" - ezh means hedgehog in Russian), but the difference is too insignificant to be reflected in Locomotion. There was also an older A/B Type painted yellow and brown... Oh, I'd better stop this trainset history

P.S. I've found another foto of a Type E train painted just like 81-71, only the stripe is yellow. The photo was taken in Kiev.

strongbow · Post by **strongbow** » 27 Mar 2006 17:29

Oleg wrote:Thanks for your detailed reply I'll look forward to your next releases. BTW, 81-71's come in a large variety of liveries. In Kiev they can be gray, Nescafe (awful!) and even cucumber (it's not a joke!). In Samara they also look completely different. There has also been one Series 81 trainset painted green for Teheran Metro, but its destiny is unknown.

Ugh, those Nescafe and cucumber 81s are ugly.

I'll just do the Prague, Moscow and maybe Warsaw (blue/red/white) version.

If you want to be historically correct, it should be just "E", or maybe "Type E", as it was marked by its manufacturer. There has also been a modification called "Ezh" (Type E, modification zh, often referred to as "hedgehog" - ezh means hedgehog in Russian), but the difference is too insignificant to be reflected in Locomotion. There was also an older A/B Type painted yellow and brown... Oh, I'd better stop this trainset history

I think I'll call it "E Metro" and "ECS Metro" for Locomotion purposes, so it's clear what they're used for. E is too short somehow and "Type E" reminds me of a certain Jaguar car.

Other trains in Locomotion are also named in the format "BR Driving carriage" and so on.

Anyway, thanks for sharing your metro knowledge! Very interesting stuff!

I'll let you know if I need anything.

intercity125 · Post by **intercity125** » 27 Mar 2006 17:58

That cucumber one was great!

strongbow · Post by **strongbow** » 27 Mar 2006 18:03

intercity125 wrote:That cucumber one was great!

Pervert.

Oleg · Post by **Oleg** » 28 Mar 2006 08:16

BTW, the word that is written on the cucumber ad reads "Pervak", and as far as I could get it from my Ukranian collegue, that's an allusion to "Pervach" which means a strong home-made vodka (samogon). Which people traditionally have with cucumbers. It's a pity I can't get what the slogan says. It's funny to look at such a train, but I wouldn't like to have it in my city.

strongbow · Post by **strongbow** » 28 Mar 2006 20:20

progress on the metro station, still not happy with colors.

intercity125 · Post by **intercity125** » 28 Mar 2006 20:59

Looking good i think

Metromaster · Post by **Metromaster** » 28 Mar 2006 22:07

The station is looking good, so far.

andel · Post by **andel** » 28 Mar 2006 22:25

that looks superb

strongbow · Post by **strongbow** » 30 Mar 2006 21:23

so, i'm having a productive evening...

after lots of xml dissecting and checking it in loco, my metro station is finally ingame and working.

it was a bit difficult to get the roof displayed underground (normal/city stations don't have roofs underground), but i managed.

i will clean up the graphics (the platform texture, which looks like a zebra now) and put it into the pack.

however, i had to modify the trackst.dat to insert the station into the game. so a question for you all - what type of trackst.dat do you want to come with the station? i thought about doing one with the earth slopes included and one without, as it's the most used mod atm.

and passengers only doesn't work for some reason. i've put the line

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<useobject desc="cargo" class="8">PASS    </useobject>

into the XML, but the game is ignoring it. maybe it only works with road stations?

oh and for version 3, there's also 3 new metro trains coming along with the station!

the follow-up to ECS, the 81-71 in liveries from Prague (similar to ECS) and Moscow (darkblue with white stripe), plus the modernised 81-71Ms running on line A in Prague.

later,
-s

Barry · Post by **Barry** » 30 Mar 2006 22:03

Looks excellent.

I'd use the one with the grass slopes, but it's probably safer to do the two versions.

Hope you get the passenger-only station working - this would really improve the game, imho.

Metromaster · Post by **Metromaster** » 30 Mar 2006 22:35

This station is looking better all the time. And then there were those magic words, more new Metro trains? I await the fruits of your labor.

strongbow · Post by **strongbow** » 30 Mar 2006 22:52

Barry wrote: Hope you get the passenger-only station working - this would really improve the game, imho.

Thanks, I'll try.

I also tried to make the station quite generic, so it can be used with other sets as well - like the London one.

As for the new metro trains, here's the plan:

Version 3
81-71 Prague - http://www.metroweb.cz/metro/81-71/P817193.JPG

81-71 Moscow - http://trehgranka.metro.ru/images/vagon ... 632_01.jpg

81-71M Prague - http://www.metroweb.cz/metro/81-71M/P1010122.JPG

Version 4

Siemens M1 Prague - http://www.metroweb.cz/metro/M1/P000001.JPG

Don't count on version 4 appearing too soon, cause it's a whole new train.

81-71s should be easy though, just changing the front mask of the ECS...

hongjian · Post by **hongjian** » 30 Mar 2006 22:54

Strongbow, this is the best station I had ever seen for Locomotion.

Not only the design is good but it is suitable as an overground and underground station. Moreover, it does not generate mail but only passengers, which is what commuter stations is all about.

Putting an extra mail train just to transport the mail is a waste of capacity on the line where more passenger trains are necessary to transport the passengers. By the way, do you see any commuter or underground train carry mail?

I am looking forward to the release of the station and also the mentioned Prague and Moscow Subway trains, especially the Siemens M1 train.

strongbow · Post by **strongbow** » 01 Apr 2006 22:55

Ok, I've finished the station today.

Though I still have to do a bit of XML hacking to see if passengers only will work. Right now it doesn't, but maybe it requires somewhere else to be switched on as well... Any insights appreciated.

Next up are the 3 promised 81-71 trains.

Nite.
-s

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