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Posted: 29 Jul 2005 20:42
by Wile E. Coyote
I posted standard gauge version, with new locos and corrected weights. This is also corrected narrow gauge version, but it's still not working good.
Here is what to do to finish this set (I can't do anything more, so please help if you can):
1. draw two narrow gauge DMUs and one standard gauge DMU (I hope Purno will help)
2. code 712 DMU (DaleStan is working on it)
3. collect missing data for some drawn locos (I still search for them, Marek helped with some data)
4. Improve AI management for standard gauge wagons (needed somebody to look at NFO and re-code GRF), they use allways only one sort of wagons
5. Improve AI management for all narrow gauge vehicles (not to favorize them like maglev vehicles, not to use original maglev wagons, refit wagons if it's possible).
Thanx for any kind of help!
Posted: 29 Jul 2005 20:56
by DaleStan
Wile E. Coyote wrote:4. Improve AI management for standard gauge wagons (needed somebody to look at NFO and re-code GRF), they use allways only one sort of wagons
5. Improve AI management for all narrow gauge vehicles (not to favorize them like maglev vehicles, not to use original maglev wagons, refit wagons if it's possible).
Which engines and wagons (ID, not name) should be used under which circumstances:
1) cargo type
2) source industry type
3) destination industry type
4) manhatten service distance
5) date
6) station size (I think the options here are 1x2, 1x3, and 2x3)
Posted: 29 Jul 2005 21:43
by Wile E. Coyote
I hope all data are now in tracking table. Dates are following (introduction dates in action 0):
1920 - 00 00
1955 - F0 31
1970 - 56 47
1996 - 6F 6C
2000 - 24 72
About station sizes - if it's possible, all available sizes.
Posted: 29 Jul 2005 21:56
by DaleStan
Here's a working 712, and the changes I made to srssgw.nfo.
The chunks that change action 0s are required to make the 712 work; the remainder are optional.
Wile E. Coyote wrote:1920 - 00 00
1955 - F0 31
1970 - 56 47
1996 - 6F 6C
2000 - 24 72
That's the easy part. The hard part is which vehicle IDs are available when, and your site is down right now.
What I really need is:
For $CARGO, use $ID1 from 1920 to $YEAR1, $ID2 from $YEAR1 to $YEAR2, ...
for each $CARGO.
And, if you want to use different wagon IDs depending on what the source and destination industry are, mention that too.
OT: Wile, could you change your sig to
Code: Select all
Serbian rail set - coding needed to finish
[url=www.geocities.com/wilesttdpage/1435vehicles.htm]standard gauge tracking table[/url] | [url=www.geocities.com/wilesttdpage/076vehicles.htm]narrow gauge tracking table[/url]
And so on, so it looks like this:
Serbian rail set - coding needed to finish
standard gauge tracking table |
narrow gauge tracking table <...>
Your current sig is pushing the length limits, IMO.
Posted: 30 Jul 2005 00:09
by Wile E. Coyote
It's working! DaleStan, great job as allways
Only little thingy: first engine don't accepts passengers (i.e. anything). Mistake or it's impossible? I incorporated DMU in srssgw.grf. So if you can change something, please change in this grf.
Hmmm... I checked, and site is available. Probably I uploaded something when you tried to visit site, or maybe Yahoo! makes new problems
Anyway, if some data are missing, tell me and I'll post them.
I changed sig, and I hope it looks better. Thanx for suggestions!
Posted: 30 Jul 2005 03:29
by DaleStan
It was a mistake I guess. Just change/set properties 14 and 15 in the 712's action 0 to the appropriate values. You probably also want to set property 1D. 05 00 00 00 will make the engine refittable to pax and mail, but nothing else, which is a pretty common setting for DMU/EMU engines.
Posted: 30 Jul 2005 05:04
by DaleStan
Wile E. Coyote wrote:Here's rank for wagons:
Passenger:
A (ID 39), AB (2B), At (2C), Bt (39), Am (2A), Bm (2E), Beelmt (2F), Baat (1B)
Great. Now, care to explain why a wagon that's released in 1970 is rated above five of the six wagons that are released in 1996? (Or am I reading it backwards, and the wagon released in 1920 is the highest rated?)
I cannot code the AI callback until you tell me which wagon ID should be used for which cargo in which year ranges. Explicitly. None of this when-it-was-introduced stuff; that concept doesn't exist. If there are special cases[0], mention them too.
If you want the AI to use choose between narrow and standard gauge, I have to know which combinations of date, cargo, service distance, &c. should be carried NG, and which should be carried SG.
Random can also be done, in halves, quarters, eighths, sixteenths, &c. (up to at least 1/32768), but it's not particularly pretty.
[0] eg:
- use ID1 to carry goods from a oil refinery, but ID2 to carry goods from a factory
- use ID1 to carry wood to a paper mill, but ID2 to carry wood to a sawmill/factory
- use ID1 for runs shorter than $FOO, ID2 for runs between $FOO and $BAR, and ID3 for runs longer than $BAR
- etcetra.
Posted: 30 Jul 2005 09:49
by Wile E. Coyote
OK, I hope I got the point. Here is plan:
Passengers:
1B from 1920-1970; 39 from 1970-2005; 2F from 2005
Mail, valuables:
1B from 1920-1970; 3A from 1970-2005; 43 from 2005
Goods from factory and oil rafinery:
1F from 1920-1955; 26 from 1955-1970; 3D from 1970
Goods from sawmill:
22 from 1920-1970; 27 from 1970
Food, livestock:
1F from 1920-1955; 26 from 1955-1970; 44 from 1970
Wood, paper:
22 from 1920-1970; 24 from 1970
Steel:
22 from 1920-1970; 27 from 1970-1996; 40 from 1996
Coal, iron ore, copper ore:
23 from 1920-1955; 1D from 1955-1970; 41 from 1970-1996; 46 from 1970
Grain:
21 from 1920-1970; 41 from 1970-1996; 3F from 1996
Oil, water:
1E from 1920-1970; 29 from 1970-1996; 47 from 1996
Fruit, rubber:
1D from 1920-1970; 41 from 1970
This is plan due to real facts (older wagons are sometimes favorized).
If it's possible, it should be management with NG vehicles with parameter:
-AI not use NG;
-AI use NG only;
-AI use sometimes NG (I'll provide this later).
If not, then that will be third variant.
Posted: 30 Jul 2005 17:29
by DaleStan
Thank you. Looks good, except:
Wile E. Coyote wrote:23 from 1920-1955; 1D from 1955-1970; 41 from 1970-1996; 46 from 1970
Does that mean "randomize beween 41/46 from 1970-1996"?
Wile E. Coyote wrote:If it's possible, it should be management with NG vehicles with parameter:
-AI not use NG;
-AI use NG only;
-AI use sometimes NG
All three are possible.
I'll need the same listing for the NG wagons, if you want the AI to know how to use them.
Posted: 01 Aug 2005 17:48
by Wile E. Coyote
DaleStan wrote:Thank you. Looks good, except:
Wile E. Coyote wrote:23 from 1920-1955; 1D from 1955-1970; 41 from 1970-1996; 46 from 1970
Does that mean "randomize beween 41/46 from 1970-1996"?
Yes, if it's possible.
DaleStan wrote:I'll need the same listing for the NG wagons, if you want the AI to know how to use them.
Here it is:
Passengers: 59
Mail, valuables: 5A
Steel, wood, paper:60
Goods: randomize between 60 and 5D
Livestock, food: 5D
Coal, iron ore, copper ore, grain, fruit, rubber: 5B
Oil, water: 5C
Behavior for variant when AI use both sets:
Passengers and mail: randomize NG and SG between 1920-1975; use only SG from 1975-2002; randomize between NG and SG after 2002.
Other cargos: randomize between NG and SG between 1920-1975; after 1975 use only SG.
(This is again due to real facts; NG rails were used in Serbia till mid-1970's; then they were disasembled; couple years ago some of them were revitalized, but they're not in use for freight transport.)
Is it possible for example to give bigger chance to SG than NG or it's only possible to add equal chances?
Posted: 02 Aug 2005 14:38
by Wile E. Coyote
In meantime, more help needed.
I want to change some industries in Tropical climate, but I don't know is it possible and if it is, I need help.
Fruit hoppers will be filled with apples and plums, because they are most produced fruit in Serbia. It means it would be necessary to replace tropical trees in fruit plantation with apple and plum trees.
In Serbia diamonds are not produced. It would be needed to replace diamond mines with nickel ore mines (factories accepts nickel ore) and replace banks with petrol stations. Oil refineries could produce petrol and rubber (normal transported to factory). Is that possible?
Thanx for advices!
Posted: 08 Aug 2005 09:11
by Purno
As requested
Posted: 08 Aug 2005 14:28
by Wile E. Coyote
Great as allways!
Meanwhile, I tried to draw apple and plum trees. Please tell your suggestions. Thanx!
And here is new version of narrow gauge set (working same as previous, so please don't download if you can't help).
Posted: 13 Aug 2005 12:30
by Wile E. Coyote
Well, now are all SG vehicles finished! GRF is on the first page. So, enjoy!
Posted: 13 Aug 2005 18:11
by lifeblood
Good work, I really enjoy using this set. How much longer for the narrow gage?
Posted: 14 Aug 2005 10:46
by Wile E. Coyote
DaleStan is working on AI management for all standard and narrow gauge vehicles, and Purno will draw two remaining narrow gauge DMUs, so when they finish it, it'll be complete playable. BTW, we are working on new industries also, I'm thinking about automotive industry, more agricultural industries (because agriculture is main industry in Serbia) etc.
Posted: 14 Aug 2005 11:07
by Purno
Wile E. Coyote wrote:and Purno will draw two remaining narrow gauge DMUs,
sorry to dissapoint you, but I did not promise anything. Lately I barely draw for TT, so if you find someone else to do it, that's fine too. Or else, you might have to wait for a pretty long time. Sorry.
Posted: 14 Aug 2005 12:50
by Wile E. Coyote
No problem, you did great job anyway. If you'll have time, go for it. If not, maybe I'll try to do something.
Posted: 20 Aug 2005 09:55
by Wile E. Coyote
Here is my first try to draw DMU (I know it's not good as Purno's, but...) Pay attention, it's NG DMU, so it's smaller than usual. Any suggestions?
Question for coders: is it possible to fake introduction date? I mean to show in purchase list date before 1921.
Posted: 20 Aug 2005 10:49
by Purno
THB it looks quite nice. But the train doesn't seem to have headlights. Also, the roof in | looks different then from the other views, perhaps only use some light colors, besides, it looks to round now.