German translation

[Timmaexx]

Hello,

i found something, which confused me a bit:

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Can you say a "Fruchtplantage" will be "aufgeforstet"? I either would say "gepflanzt".

Please Feedback.

Greets Tim

[planetmaker]

I think you're right. "angepflanzt" is IMO the appropriate word. The problem with that is, that the verb has to relate to both, woods and fruit plantations (maybe even more, dunno now, anything being planted). I changed it to "angepflanzt" for now.

[DonRazzi]

If it's needed for plantations and woods to use the same word, I think best solution would be the term „angelegt“ which suits well for both.

CU,

Don

[planetmaker]

Hi,
I'm having another look at the language file. Still there are some inconsistencies and some words I'm not quite happy with:

a)
STR_3053_CENTER_MAIN_VIEW_ON_STATION
{BLACK}Centre main view on station location
{BLACK}Hauptansicht zur Station scrollen

STR_8848_CENTER_MAIN_VIEW_ON_TRAIN
{BLACK}Centre main view on train's location
{BLACK}Hauptansicht zum Zug scrollen

I'm not quite happy with "scrollen". What's the opinion about these (and a lot of similar strings), rewriting them to
{BLACK}Hauptansicht auf Zug zentrieren

b)
I'm not happy with some of the default station names like "Anbau", "Zweig" and "Nebengleis". Proposals for nicer replacements?

[Eddi]

[...]zentrieren[...]

how about "ausrichten"?

[Roujin]

I'm not happy with some of the default station names like "Anbau", "Zweig" and "Nebengleis". Proposals for nicer replacements?

What is the english string of each of these?

[dihedral]

wait for wt3, it will have some levely options wrt checking consitencies

[planetmaker]

I'm not happy with some of the default station names like "Anbau", "Zweig" and "Nebengleis". Proposals for nicer replacements?

What is the english string of each of these?

Annex, Branch and Sidings
But I don't think we have to be too close to the English original here...

@dih: guess how I got aware of these inconsistencies Fully operational it will be just fantastic

[Auge]

Hello

[...]zentrieren[...]

how about "ausrichten"?

Generally I like "ausrichten", but then we have to give an article ("Ansicht auf Zug ausrichten" vs. "Ansicht auf den Zug ausrichten" and "... auf Station ausrichten" vs. "... auf die Station ausrichten" (I used the given examples)). Is it possible to use genders and articles or has this to be hardcoded for every string (may be unflexible)?

Tschö, Auge

[planetmaker]

[...]zentrieren[...]

how about "ausrichten"?

Generally I like "ausrichten", but then we have to give an article ("Ansicht auf Zug ausrichten" vs. "Ansicht auf den Zug ausrichten" and "... auf Station ausrichten" vs. "... auf die Station ausrichten" (I used the given examples)). Is it possible to use genders and articles or has this to be hardcoded for every string (may be unflexible)?

Each of those is a seperate string anyway. So using a proper article isn't a problem. Otherwise genders could be used, though.

[Aylo]

I'm not happy with some of the default station names like "Anbau", "Zweig" and "Nebengleis". Proposals for nicer replacements?

What is the english string of each of these?

Annex, Branch and Sidings
But I don't think we have to be too close to the English original here...

@dih: guess how I got aware of these inconsistencies Fully operational it will be just fantastic

What about Zweigbahnhof und Nebenbahnhof bzw. Zweigbf. und Nebenbf. if it is too long?

[Eddi]

i'm pretty sure i said this before. to really fix the station naming, one would need a different set of names for each station type.

anyway, "Abzweigung" is a perfectly fine name for a bus station. i kind of remember that TTO had the name "Abstellgleise"

what about "Rangierbahnhof"?

[Eddi]

i just spotted this, since this line was just modified:

STR_TOWNNAME_SLOVAK :Slovakisch

this must say "Slowakisch"

[planetmaker]

Thx, Eddi. Slowakisch it is now.

Another issue which I stumbled upon:
STR_0014_GOODS Diese Station akzeptiert keine {STRING} mehr
Das schlägt natürlich fehl für diverse {STRING} wie Papier, Eisenerz,... - ist aber richtig für "Waren".
Jetzt habe ich's so umgangen, dass ich Waren das weibliche Geschlecht zugewiesen habe (da die Artikel und Bildung von Plural gleich ist von der Form her) und den anderen Gütern die entsprechenden Genera und den oben angegebenen String den Umgang mit Genera beigebracht.. Ist vielleicht nicht ideal, sollte aber funktionieren.... Meinungen?

[Roujin]

Thx, Eddi. Slowakisch it is now.

Another issue which I stumbled upon:
STR_0014_GOODS Diese Station akzeptiert keine {STRING} mehr
Das schlägt natürlich fehl für diverse {STRING} wie Papier, Eisenerz,... - ist aber richtig für "Waren".
Jetzt habe ich's so umgangen, dass ich Waren das weibliche Geschlecht zugewiesen habe (da die Artikel und Bildung von Plural gleich ist von der Form her) und den anderen Gütern die entsprechenden Genera und den oben angegebenen String den Umgang mit Genera beigebracht.. Ist vielleicht nicht ideal, sollte aber funktionieren.... Meinungen?

Why..? We do have a plural "gender", don't we? Eddi introduced it some time back.
By the way, you slipped back to german in the middle of your post again (or was it on purpose this time since this should only matter to people who understand german anyway?)

[Roujin]

Okay, comments to the batch of changes today...

first, what I already wrote, you can use the plural "gender" instead of the female gender for

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      27 +STR_000F_PASSENGERS                                             :{G=w}Passagiere
      32 +STR_0014_GOODS                                                  :{G=w}Waren
      37 +STR_0019_VALUABLES                                              :{G=w}Wertsachen
      40 +STR_001C_FRUIT                                                  :{G=w}Früchte
      41 +STR_001D_DIAMONDS                                               :{G=w}Diamanten
      42 +STR_001E_FOOD                                                   :{G=w}Nahrungsmittel

next, you did not include all the cargos (naybe the translator update got triggered before you were finished with your changes?):

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      47  STR_0023_RUBBER                                                 :Kautschuk
      48  STR_0024_SUGAR                                                  :Zucker
      49  STR_0025_TOYS                                                   :Spielwaren
...

then, you accidentally added the gender to some strings where we need them (next two):

here, "Passagiere" is a unit of cargo (like "Säcke", "Tonnen"), not the cargo itself

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     155 -STR_PASSENGERS                                                  :Passagiere
     156 +STR_PASSENGERS                                                  :{G=w}Passagiere
     157  STR_BAGS                                                        :Säcke
     158  STR_TONS                                                        :Tonnen
     159  STR_LITERS                                                      :Liter

here, "Wasser" refers to the water on the map, not water as a cargo:

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     202 -STR_3804_WATER                                                  :Wasser
     203 +STR_3804_WATER                                                  :{G=n}Wasser

here, I think the first letter should be a capital letter:

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     246 -STR_680A_INITIAL_INTEREST_RATE                                  :{LTBLUE}Kreditzinsen: {ORANGE}{COMMA}%
     247 +STR_680A_INITIAL_INTEREST_RATE                                  :{LTBLUE}anfänglicher Zinssatz auf Kredite: {ORANGE}{COMMA}%

finally, one thing I noticed that you didn't change, but should be changed in my opinion:

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      51  STR_002D_FIZZY_DRINKS                                           :Limonaden

namely, to "Limonade"


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As always this is meant as constructive criticism, please don't take offense at the corrections/suggestions I've posted.

[planetmaker]

Okay, comments to the batch of changes today...
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As always this is meant as constructive criticism, please don't take offense at the corrections/suggestions I've posted.

Thanks for the extensive review. Changes implemented. Actually I found the 4th gender already - but too late to change for today. And I missed a few despite, so it was good to see those strings again and check back. And search functions only return what is asked for - so with a less than optimal search it's easy to miss some things - such reviews are greately appreciated.

Next will be to add plural forms to all {COMMA} strings - e.g. where singular and plural might make a difference - but isn't properly differentiated right now.

[Roujin]

In the latest batch, there is a closing paranthesis left here:

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     155 -STR_3804_WATER                                                  :{G=n}Wasser
     156 +STR_3804_WATER                                                  :}Wasser

[planetmaker]

In the latest batch, there is a closing paranthesis left here:

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     155 -STR_3804_WATER                                                  :{G=n}Wasser
     156 +STR_3804_WATER                                                  :}Wasser

Fixed. Thank you. As many strings were renamed, I added gender tags to the cargos which I was still missing. I hope I got it all right, as not every singular or plural (according to string name) is exactly that in German language (like water is singular, no matter what. Die Wasser has a different meaning )

[Roujin]

I think you got them all right (I read through it and made a sentence with each of them in my head to check), but it seems you left out some cargos, mostly toyland, and a singular "Passagier":

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      48  STR_0026_CANDY                                                  :Bonbons
      49  STR_0027_COLA                                                   :Cola
      50 -STR_0028_COTTON_CANDY                                           :Zuckerwatte
      51 +STR_0028_COTTON_CANDY                                           :{G=w}Zuckerwatte
      52  STR_0029_BUBBLES                                                :Luftblasen
      53  STR_002A_TOFFEE                                                 :Karamell
      54  STR_002B_BATTERIES                                              :Batterien
      55  STR_002C_PLASTIC                                                :Plastik
      56 -STR_002D_FIZZY_DRINKS                                           :Limonaden
      57 +STR_002D_FIZZY_DRINKS                                           :Limonade
      58  STR_002E                                                        :
      59  STR_002F_PASSENGER                                              :Passagier